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  • paul larner
    Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US. Do read the
    Message 1 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
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      Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
      overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

      Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.
      Couple of good opinion pieces there.

      An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports it.
      Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators use
      the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest on
      the outcome, either way.

      Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell
      Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read; can't
      beat the facts.

      Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that infiltrated
      the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

      PKL

      PKL

      >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
      >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
      >
      >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
      >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
      >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
      >If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
      >White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
      >Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
      >The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
      >Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
      >Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
      >Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
      >Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
      >
      >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
      >To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
      >This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
      >Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
      >Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
      >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
      >
      >Gino
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
      >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
      >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      >
      >
      >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
      >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
      >who
      >made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
      >I
      >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
      >cases
      >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
      >false
      >from the left.
      >
      >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
      >platforms
      >falling for these short stories and sound bites.
      >
      >PKL
      >
      >
      > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
      > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
      > >
      > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
      > >legends".
      > >
      > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
      > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of
      >
      > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
      > >
      > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
      > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
      > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
      > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
      > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
      > >attack."
      > >
      > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
      > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
      >
      > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
      > >during the Regan years.
      > >
      > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at
      >
      > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
      > >
      > >Peter Sefton
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >-----Original Message-----
      > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
      > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
      > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
      > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > >
      > >Greetings,
      > >
      > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
      > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
      > >
      > >Malcolm Horton
      > >
      > >
      > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
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      > >http://fjgrr.org
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      > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org
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    • Dicarlo, Gino
      Al Franken is a jerk who doesn t want to hear anyone s opinion But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times Union is a LIBERAL news paper!
      Message 2 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
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        Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
        But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times
        Union is a LIBERAL news paper! They've got Liberal jerks like
        Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!

        Gino

        -----Original Message-----
        From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
        Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


        Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
        overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

        Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.

        Couple of good opinion pieces there.

        An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
        it.
        Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
        use
        the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest
        on
        the outcome, either way.

        Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
        Tell
        Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read;
        can't
        beat the facts.

        Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
        infiltrated
        the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

        PKL

        PKL

        >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
        >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
        >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
        >
        >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
        >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
        >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If and

        >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White House

        >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
        >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
        >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry keeps

        >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. What

        >category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
        >being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas lately?
        >Hypocrite!!!!
        >
        >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
        >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This is
        >no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
        >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
        >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
        >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
        >
        >Gino
        >
        >-----Original Message-----
        >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
        >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
        >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        >
        >
        >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend

        >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
        >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
        >sites) I
        >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
        >cases
        >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
        >false
        >from the left.
        >
        >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
        >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
        >
        >PKL
        >
        >
        > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
        > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
        > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
        > >
        > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
        > >legends".
        > >
        > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
        > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety
        > >of
        >
        > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
        > >
        > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
        > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
        > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records

        > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized

        > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
        > >attack."
        > >
        > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
        > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
        > >Bin
        >
        > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
        > >during the Regan years.
        > >
        > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
        > >at
        >
        > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
        > >
        > >Peter Sefton
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >-----Original Message-----
        > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
        > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
        > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
        > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        > >
        > >Greetings,
        > >
        > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
        > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
        > >
        > >Malcolm Horton
        > >
        > >
        > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
        > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
        > >http://fjgrr.org
        > >Visit The Greater Capital District Railfan Assocation at
        > >http://gcdranet.homelinux.com/ Visit Pete Seftons Lost Landmark Page
        > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org Visit The NERAIL North American Photo
        > >Archive at http://naphotos.nerail.org/
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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        > >
        > >
        > >ADVERTISEMENT
        > >
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        > >76
        > >/
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        > >
        > > _____
        > >
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        >http://fjgrr.org
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        >





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      • Richard Finn
        Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights answer to the Lefts Molly Ivins. And her facts are more accurate than Ivin s, Franken s and Moore s. All that
        Message 3 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
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          Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
          And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
          All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
          the political process and turning people off.

          Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
          facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
          blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
          friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
          offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
          Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.

          Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
          psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
          that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
          society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
          with their views of religion and society.

          There, now I got my 2 cents in too.

          Dick

          "Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"

          On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:

          > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
          > But his own!!!  Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!  The Times
          > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!  They've got Liberal jerks like
          > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
          >
          > Gino
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
          > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
          > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          >
          >
          > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
          > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
          >
          > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
          > 8.
          >
          > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
          >
          > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
          > it. 
          > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
          > use
          > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
          > invest
          > on
          > the outcome, either way.
          >
          > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
          > Tell
          > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.  So far it is a good read;
          > can't
          > beat the facts.
          >
          > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
          > infiltrated
          > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
          >
          > PKL
          >
          > PKL
          >
          > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
          > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
          > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
          > >
          > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
          > >Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
          > >Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
          > and
          >
          > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
          > House
          >
          > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!  You yellow- Bellied
          > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
          > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
          > keeps
          >
          > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. 
          > What
          >
          > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?  And he talks Bout jobs
          > >being sent over seas.  How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
          > lately? 
          > >Hypocrite!!!!
          > >
          > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
          > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
          > is
          > >no slam on Democratic voters.  Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
          > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
          > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
          > >Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
          > >
          > >Gino
          > >
          > >-----Original Message-----
          > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
          > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
          > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > >
          > >
          > >Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
          > friend
          >
          > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
          > too)
          > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
          > >sites) I
          > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
          > >cases
          > >they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
          > >false
          > >from the left.
          > >
          > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
          > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
          > >
          > >PKL
          > >
          > >
          > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
          > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
          > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
          > > >
          > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
          > > >legends".
          > > >
          > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
          > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
          > variety
          > > >of
          > >
          > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
          > > >
          > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
          > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
          > commercial
          > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
          > records
          >
          > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
          > naturalized
          >
          > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
          > > >attack."
          > > >
          > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
          > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
          > > >Bin
          > >
          > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
          > > >during the Regan years.
          > > >
          > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
          > stories
          > > >at
          > >
          > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
          > > >
          > > >Peter Sefton
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >-----Original Message-----
          > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
          > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
          > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
          > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > > >
          > > >Greetings,
          > > >
          > > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
          > > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
          > > >
          > > >Malcolm Horton
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
          > > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
          > > >http://fjgrr.org
          > > >Visit The Greater Capital District Railfan Assocation at
          > > >http://gcdranet.homelinux.com/ Visit Pete Seftons Lost Landmark
          > Page
          > > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org Visit The NERAIL North American Photo
          > > >Archive at http://naphotos.nerail.org/
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
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        • paul larner
          Dick, In the first part of Franken s book, the part I ve gotten to, he dismembers Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
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            Dick,

            In the first part of Franken's book, the part I've gotten to, he dismembers
            Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
            distortion not a lie? If I ever get off this machine, I'll be reading some
            more of that liberal dribble.

            On the subject of liberals and their inablility to see evil, you are on to
            something there. Three other books on my bedstand this month are William
            Blake's poem "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell," Freud's "Civilization and
            Its Discontents" and Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil." Those little books
            are next. They deal with this subject. What got me onto those tidbits was
            a comment I heard about Jim Morrison's Band name "The Doors" coming from
            Blakes poetry. Now there was a conflict of goodand evil.

            Your last paragraph about those who want to "kill all those who don't agree
            with their views of religion and society" really is unsettling for its
            truth. Fundamentalists of whatever ilk see things the same way, their way
            or no way, and I believe we have many on this side of the pond who cloak
            themselves as patriots while preaching a fundamental christianity. They
            bomb abortion clinics (Eric Rudolph and his co-conspirators), government
            buildings (Oklahoma City), drag black men behind their trucks and tie gays
            to fence posts. Among their ranks are the Jew baiters and the kind of
            people who locally painted anti black epithets on their neighbor's car and
            home. If you're different, you don't belong. We are not beyond this yet.
            We shouldn't need anti hate laws in this country.

            The popes fought the holy wars,and the French clerics during the
            pre-revolutionary war years were the instigators of most of the hardship
            between the French and English settlers. They conspired with France and the
            Indians to send the pagans (English) to hell. Obviously the Pope had an
            interest in seeing France succeed over Protestant England. They disagreed
            fundamentally. And anglos still fight over religion in Ireland (not so long
            ago in Quebec), rather than simply economics.

            Intolerance is deep in our cultural roots, it is an element of who we are as
            Americans.

            George Carlin rhetorically asked in one of his bits, how much kinder and
            gentler would the world have been if there never were religion? (Not a quote
            but a synopsis). I don't know. My faith, at least the way I learned it,
            taught me to respect and also endeavored to have me understand other points
            of view. Admittedly this all came in college, and a Catholic one at that.

            Just for the record as I'm re-reading this. I oppose abortion at any time;
            but I won't get between you and your conscience. Re: Carlin, I do not
            subscribe to his thinking in all cases, but his views do offer food for
            thought. Most often his thoughts are expressed too crudely for my taste,
            perhaps it's to get my attention.

            The merits of whether the FJ&G could or would be rebuilt as a going concern
            may be moot. In my opinion the FJ&G exemplifies the purest application of
            capitalism. In 1932 the Republican Hoover Administration said no to a
            financial bail out. So the company reorganized and lasted until the money
            and interest died in 1973. In resurrection the Democratic state government
            played a major part in funding its ability to operate; it lasted only ten
            years. Should the government have carried it further than they did and put
            up more money for a dead horse or were the Republicans right in 1932 by
            staying out of it? There that's something said about the FJ&G.

            PKL



            >From: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
            >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            >CC: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
            >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0400
            >
            >Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
            >And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
            >All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
            >the political process and turning people off.
            >
            >Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
            >facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
            >blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
            >friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
            >offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
            >Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.
            >
            >Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
            >psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
            >that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
            >society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
            >with their views of religion and society.
            >
            >There, now I got my 2 cents in too.
            >
            >Dick
            >
            >"Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"
            >
            >On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:
            >
            > > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
            > > But his own!!!� Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!� The Times
            > > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!� They've got Liberal jerks like
            > > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
            > >
            > > Gino
            > >
            > > -----Original Message-----
            > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
            > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
            > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            > >
            > >
            > > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
            > > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
            > >
            > > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
            > > 8.
            > >
            > > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
            > >
            > > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
            > > it.�
            > > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
            > > use
            > > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
            > > invest
            > > on
            > > the outcome, either way.
            > >
            > > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
            > > Tell
            > > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.� So far it is a good read;
            > > can't
            > > beat the facts.
            > >
            > > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
            > > infiltrated
            > > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
            > >
            > > PKL
            > >
            > > PKL
            > >
            > > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
            > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
            > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
            > > >
            > > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
            > > >Legend!!!� But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
            > > >Ding-Bat Democrats.� Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
            > > and
            > >
            > > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
            > > House
            > >
            > > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!� You yellow- Bellied
            > > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
            > > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
            > > keeps
            > >
            > > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah.�
            > > What
            > >
            > > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?� And he talks Bout jobs
            > > >being sent over seas.� How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
            > > lately?�
            > > >Hypocrite!!!!
            > > >
            > > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
            > > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
            > > is
            > > >no slam on Democratic voters.� Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
            > > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
            > > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
            > > >Hard-workers!� No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
            > > >
            > > >Gino
            > > >
            > > >-----Original Message-----
            > > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
            > > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
            > > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >Good, Pete.� I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
            > > friend
            > >
            > > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
            > > too)
            > > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
            > > >sites) I
            > > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.� In "all"
            > > >cases
            > > >they are bunk.� The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
            > > >false
            > > >from the left.
            > > >
            > > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
            > > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
            > > >
            > > >PKL
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
            > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            > > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
            > > > >
            > > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
            > > > >legends".
            > > > >
            > > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
            > > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
            > > variety
            > > > >of
            > > >
            > > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
            > > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
            > > commercial
            > > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
            > > records
            > >
            > > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
            > > naturalized
            > >
            > > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
            > > > >attack."
            > > > >
            > > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
            > > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
            > > > >Bin
            > > >
            > > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
            > > > >during the Regan years.
            > > > >
            > > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
            > > stories
            > > > >at
            > > >
            > > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
            > > > >
            > > > >Peter Sefton
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >-----Original Message-----
            > > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
            > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
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          • Walt Danylak
            Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into the ground. I m not a
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              Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice
              for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into
              the ground. I'm not a big Kerry fan, but I sure don't want to see
              Bush for 4 more years. Say what you want about Clinton, at least we
              had a strong economy while he was president. Like the bumper sticker
              I saw a few weeks ago: Like father, like son, 4 years and out.

              Walt
            • oleroadslug
              Hello Gino and friends- I ve been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
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                Hello Gino and friends-

                I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                this:

                3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.

                My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                seen recently.

                So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                week or so ago:

                Kerry & Edwards
                So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns


                With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....

                Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$

                Bob Schoneman
              • Paul Charland
                Hi All, Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just another Blame Canada letter I really think I need to open my trap. I live in
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                  Hi All,

                  Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just
                  another "Blame Canada" letter I really think I need to open my trap.

                  I live in a city of 20,000 right across the St. Lawrence River form New
                  York State. Since the Free Trade deal was signed back in the '80s we
                  watched most of our employers being bought up by their American
                  competitors, only to be closed weeks later. Philips Cables was closed
                  by a company in Chicago, 550 jobs lost. Microtel was bought by GE and
                  the contracts they held were diverted to GE Chicago, leaving our plant
                  to complete the contract they were working on and then the plant was
                  closed, all 800 workers were terminated. Black and Decker Canada
                  employed 1200 people, 25 in the R&D department are left, the rest of the
                  work went to Baltimore, Mexico, and Brazil.

                  This is common across Canada, Marathon Ontario was a pulp and paper
                  town, if you weren't employed by the mill, you worked in some sort of
                  service or store that was dependent on the mill's employees. An
                  American company in Wisconsin bought the mill, along with it's timber
                  rights, closed the mill but kept the loggers so they can strip our
                  forests and float them over Lake Superior to the mill in Wisconsin.
                  McCain Foods might have bought your food plant but at least they didn't
                  buy it to close it.

                  If CN bought IC so what, there was no railroad in United Stated
                  interested in partnering with them. Should we all bitch that Rail
                  America keeps buying every branchline that comes up for abandonment in
                  Canada?

                  Just my thoughts, we will return to regular programming now!

                  Paul :-)

                  oleroadslug wrote:
                  > Hello Gino and friends-
                  >
                  > I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                  > all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                  > little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                  > this:
                  >
                  > 3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                  > in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                  > 1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                  > hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                  > made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                  > our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                  > robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                  > layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                  > employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                  > go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.
                  >
                  > My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                  > seen recently.
                  >
                  > So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                  > week or so ago:
                  >
                  > Kerry & Edwards
                  > So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns
                  >
                  >
                  > With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....
                  >
                  > Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                  > the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$
                  >
                  > Bob Schoneman
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