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  • peter sefton
    It always feels good to vent! To me, the true stuff you read in the paper is always stranger than any urban legend... ... From: Dicarlo, Gino
    Message 1 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
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      It always feels good to vent!

      To me, the true stuff you read in the paper is always stranger than any
      urban legend...





      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dicarlo, Gino [mailto:Gino.Dicarlo@...]
      Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:19 PM
      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

      Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
      Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
      Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
      If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
      White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
      Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
      The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
      Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
      Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
      Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
      Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!

      There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
      To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
      This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
      Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
      Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
      Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

      Gino

      -----Original Message-----
      From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
      Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


      Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
      (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
      who
      made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
      I
      usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
      cases
      they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
      false
      from the left.

      Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
      platforms
      falling for these short stories and sound bites.

      PKL


      >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
      >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
      >
      >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
      >legends".
      >
      >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
      >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

      >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
      >
      >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
      >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
      >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
      >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
      >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
      >attack."
      >
      >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
      >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

      >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
      >during the Regan years.
      >
      >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

      >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
      >
      >Peter Sefton
      >
      >
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
      >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
      >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
      >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      >
      >Greetings,
      >
      >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
      >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
      >
      >Malcolm Horton
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    • Dicarlo, Gino
      Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G? I ll steer it back in that direction! Gino ... From: Gerald Snyder
      Message 2 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
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        Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G?
        I'll steer it back in that direction!
         
        Gino
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gerald Snyder [mailto:handyman756@...]
        Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:09 PM
        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

        Amen.  (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
        But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
        the group topic here with this political discussion.
        Jerry
        --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...> wrote:

        > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
        > most always Urban
        > Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded
        > and slams the
        > Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a
        > president!!!!
        > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
        > wife)get into the
        > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
        > up!  You yellow-
        > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
        > you want, but all
        > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
        > scum-bags!
        > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
        > rich and blah, blah,
        > Blah.  What category does his Billionaire wife fall
        > into?  And he talks
        > Bout jobs being sent over seas.  How many jobs has
        > Heinz sent over
        > Seas lately?  Hypocrite!!!!
        >
        > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
        > it was my turn
        > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
        > politicians.
        > This is no slam on Democratic voters.  Most
        > Democrats I know are hard
        > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
        > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
        > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
        > good middle class
        > Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat
        > welfare scammers...
        >
        > Gino
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
        > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
        > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        >
        >
        > Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
        > a"railroad" friend
        > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
        > about the "FJ&G too)
        > who
        > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
        > the neo-con sites)
        > I
        > usually go to google and check the references and
        > respond.  In "all"
        > cases
        > they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get
        > anything so vicious or
        > false
        > from the left.
        >
        > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
        > respective party
        > platforms
        > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
        >
        > PKL
        >
        >
        > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
        > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
        > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
        > >
        > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
        > shown to be "urban
        > >legends".
        > >
        > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
        > was not the same
        > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
        > debunked in a variety of
        >
        > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
        > wrote:
        > >
        > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
        > Boston Globe,
        > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
        > attacked a commercial
        > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
        > of Appeals records
        > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
        > man, a naturalized
        > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
        > arrested in that
        > >attack."
        > >
        > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
        > install a home
        > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
        > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
        >
        > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
        > Russians in Afganistan
        > >during the Regan years.
        > >
        > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
        > of these stories at
        >
        > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
        > >
        > >Peter Sefton
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >-----Original Message-----
        > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
        > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
        > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
        > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        > >
        > >Greetings,
        > >
        > >The attached message was received from a friend via
        > e-mail. I am
        > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
        > >
        > >Malcolm Horton
        > >
        > >
        > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
        > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
        > >http://fjgrr.org
        > >Visit The Greater Capital District Railfan
        > Assocation at
        > >http://gcdranet.homelinux.com/ Visit Pete Seftons
        > Lost Landmark Page
        > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org
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      • stevefjg30
        NOPE I DONT THINK THE GOOD LORD HIMSELF COULD REBUILD WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY.NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERMENT YOU WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP THATS WHAT I WATCH
        Message 3 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
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          NOPE I DONT THINK THE GOOD LORD HIMSELF COULD REBUILD WHAT WE SAW
          YESTERDAY.NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERMENT YOU WILL PUT ME TO
          SLEEP THATS WHAT I WATCH WHEN I CANT SLEEP WORKS EVERYTIME MSNBC
          FOXNEWS ALL OF THEM BORING CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          STEVE L

          PS ALL POLITICIANS ARE
          CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


          --- In
          FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com, "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@q...>
          wrote:
          > Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G?
          > I'll steer it back in that direction!
          >
          > Gino
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: Gerald Snyder [mailto:handyman756@y...]
          > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:09 PM
          > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          >
          >
          > Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
          > But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
          > the group topic here with this political discussion.
          > Jerry
          > --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@q...> wrote:
          >
          > > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
          > > most always Urban
          > > Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded
          > > and slams the
          > > Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a
          > > president!!!!
          > > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
          > > wife)get into the
          > > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
          > > up! You yellow-
          > > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
          > > you want, but all
          > > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
          > > scum-bags!
          > > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
          > > rich and blah, blah,
          > > Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall
          > > into? And he talks
          > > Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has
          > > Heinz sent over
          > > Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
          > >
          > > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
          > > it was my turn
          > > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
          > > politicians.
          > > This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most
          > > Democrats I know are hard
          > > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
          > > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
          > > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
          > > good middle class
          > > Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat
          > > welfare scammers...
          > >
          > > Gino
          > >
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@h...]
          > > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
          > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > >
          > >
          > > Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
          > > a"railroad" friend
          > > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
          > > about the "FJ&G too)
          > > who
          > > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
          > > the neo-con sites)
          > > I
          > > usually go to google and check the references and
          > > respond. In "all"
          > > cases
          > > they are bunk. The irony is that I never get
          > > anything so vicious or
          > > false
          > > from the left.
          > >
          > > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
          > > respective party
          > > platforms
          > > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
          > >
          > > PKL
          > >
          > >
          > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@c...>
          > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
          > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
          > > >
          > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
          > > shown to be "urban
          > > >legends".
          > > >
          > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
          > > was not the same
          > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
          > > debunked in a variety of
          > >
          > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
          > > wrote:
          > > >
          > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
          > > Boston Globe,
          > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
          > > attacked a commercial
          > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
          > > of Appeals records
          > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
          > > man, a naturalized
          > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
          > > arrested in that
          > > >attack."
          > > >
          > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
          > > install a home
          > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
          > > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
          > >
          > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
          > > Russians in Afganistan
          > > >during the Regan years.
          > > >
          > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
          > > of these stories at
          > >
          > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
          > > >
          > > >Peter Sefton
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >-----Original Message-----
          > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@m...]
          > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
          > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
          > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          > > >
          > > >Greetings,
          > > >
          > > >The attached message was received from a friend via
          > > e-mail. I am
          > > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
          > > >
          > > >Malcolm Horton
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
          > > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
          > > >http://fjgrr.org
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          > > >http://gcdranet.homelinux.com/ Visit Pete Seftons
          > > Lost Landmark Page
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        • Gino DiCarlo
          Nothing funnier than when you re not trying to insult people! I like it better when you just let loose and don t care who you offend! Just like the time you
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            Nothing funnier than when you're not trying to insult people! I like
            it better when you just
            let loose and don't care who you offend! Just like the time you
            refered to Faust's Art
            Park at the Sacandaga Station as the "Junk Yard!"

            Gino

            On Aug 8, 2004, at 9:58 AM, paul larner wrote:

            > Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
            > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
            > too) who
            > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
            > sites)  I
            > usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
            > cases
            > they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
            > false
            > from the left.
            >
            > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
            > platforms
            > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
            >
            > PKL
            >
            >
            > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
            > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
            > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
            > >
            > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
            > >legends".
            > >
            > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
            > person
            > >as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news
            > >reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
            > >
            > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
            > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
            > bus
            > >in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
            > show
            > >that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US
            > >citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
            > >attack."
            > >
            > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
            > security
            > >system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden
            > >was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during
            > the
            > >Regan years.
            > >
            > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
            > at
            > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
            > >
            > >Peter Sefton
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >-----Original Message-----
            > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
            > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
            > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
            > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
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          • paul larner
            Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US. Do read the
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              Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
              overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

              Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.
              Couple of good opinion pieces there.

              An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports it.
              Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators use
              the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest on
              the outcome, either way.

              Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell
              Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read; can't
              beat the facts.

              Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that infiltrated
              the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

              PKL

              PKL

              >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
              >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
              >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
              >
              >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
              >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
              >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
              >If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
              >White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
              >Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
              >The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
              >Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
              >Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
              >Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
              >Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
              >
              >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
              >To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
              >This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
              >Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
              >Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
              >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
              >
              >Gino
              >
              >-----Original Message-----
              >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
              >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
              >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              >
              >
              >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
              >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
              >who
              >made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
              >I
              >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
              >cases
              >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
              >false
              >from the left.
              >
              >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
              >platforms
              >falling for these short stories and sound bites.
              >
              >PKL
              >
              >
              > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
              > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
              > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
              > >
              > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
              > >legends".
              > >
              > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
              > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of
              >
              > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
              > >
              > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
              > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
              > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
              > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
              > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
              > >attack."
              > >
              > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
              > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
              >
              > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
              > >during the Regan years.
              > >
              > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at
              >
              > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
              > >
              > >Peter Sefton
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >-----Original Message-----
              > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
              > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
              > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
              > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              > >
              > >Greetings,
              > >
              > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
              > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
              > >
              > >Malcolm Horton
              > >
              > >
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            • Dicarlo, Gino
              Al Franken is a jerk who doesn t want to hear anyone s opinion But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times Union is a LIBERAL news paper!
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                Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times
                Union is a LIBERAL news paper! They've got Liberal jerks like
                Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!

                Gino

                -----Original Message-----
                From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


                Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

                Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.

                Couple of good opinion pieces there.

                An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                it.
                Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                use
                the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest
                on
                the outcome, either way.

                Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                Tell
                Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read;
                can't
                beat the facts.

                Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                infiltrated
                the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

                PKL

                PKL

                >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                >
                >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If and

                >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White House

                >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
                >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry keeps

                >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. What

                >category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
                >being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas lately?
                >Hypocrite!!!!
                >
                >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This is
                >no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                >
                >Gino
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                >
                >
                >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend

                >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                >sites) I
                >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                >cases
                >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                >false
                >from the left.
                >
                >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                >
                >PKL
                >
                >
                > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                > >
                > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                > >legends".
                > >
                > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety
                > >of
                >
                > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                > >
                > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records

                > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized

                > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                > >attack."
                > >
                > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                > >Bin
                >
                > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                > >during the Regan years.
                > >
                > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
                > >at
                >
                > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                > >
                > >Peter Sefton
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >-----Original Message-----
                > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                > >
                > >Greetings,
                > >
                > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                > >
                > >Malcolm Horton
                > >
                > >
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              • Richard Finn
                Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights answer to the Lefts Molly Ivins. And her facts are more accurate than Ivin s, Franken s and Moore s. All that
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                  Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
                  And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
                  All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
                  the political process and turning people off.

                  Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
                  facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
                  blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
                  friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
                  offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
                  Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.

                  Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
                  psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
                  that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
                  society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
                  with their views of religion and society.

                  There, now I got my 2 cents in too.

                  Dick

                  "Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"

                  On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:

                  > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                  > But his own!!!  Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!  The Times
                  > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!  They've got Liberal jerks like
                  > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
                  >
                  > Gino
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                  > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                  > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  >
                  >
                  > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                  > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
                  >
                  > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
                  > 8.
                  >
                  > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
                  >
                  > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                  > it. 
                  > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                  > use
                  > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
                  > invest
                  > on
                  > the outcome, either way.
                  >
                  > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                  > Tell
                  > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.  So far it is a good read;
                  > can't
                  > beat the facts.
                  >
                  > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                  > infiltrated
                  > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
                  >
                  > PKL
                  >
                  > PKL
                  >
                  > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                  > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                  > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                  > >
                  > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                  > >Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                  > >Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
                  > and
                  >
                  > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                  > House
                  >
                  > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!  You yellow- Bellied
                  > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                  > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
                  > keeps
                  >
                  > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. 
                  > What
                  >
                  > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?  And he talks Bout jobs
                  > >being sent over seas.  How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
                  > lately? 
                  > >Hypocrite!!!!
                  > >
                  > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                  > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
                  > is
                  > >no slam on Democratic voters.  Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                  > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                  > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                  > >Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                  > >
                  > >Gino
                  > >
                  > >-----Original Message-----
                  > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                  > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                  > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
                  > friend
                  >
                  > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                  > too)
                  > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                  > >sites) I
                  > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
                  > >cases
                  > >they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                  > >false
                  > >from the left.
                  > >
                  > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                  > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                  > >
                  > >PKL
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                  > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                  > > >
                  > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                  > > >legends".
                  > > >
                  > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                  > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
                  > variety
                  > > >of
                  > >
                  > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                  > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
                  > commercial
                  > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
                  > records
                  >
                  > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
                  > naturalized
                  >
                  > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                  > > >attack."
                  > > >
                  > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                  > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                  > > >Bin
                  > >
                  > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                  > > >during the Regan years.
                  > > >
                  > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
                  > stories
                  > > >at
                  > >
                  > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                  > > >
                  > > >Peter Sefton
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
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                  > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                  > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                  > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
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                • paul larner
                  Dick, In the first part of Franken s book, the part I ve gotten to, he dismembers Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
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                    Dick,

                    In the first part of Franken's book, the part I've gotten to, he dismembers
                    Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
                    distortion not a lie? If I ever get off this machine, I'll be reading some
                    more of that liberal dribble.

                    On the subject of liberals and their inablility to see evil, you are on to
                    something there. Three other books on my bedstand this month are William
                    Blake's poem "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell," Freud's "Civilization and
                    Its Discontents" and Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil." Those little books
                    are next. They deal with this subject. What got me onto those tidbits was
                    a comment I heard about Jim Morrison's Band name "The Doors" coming from
                    Blakes poetry. Now there was a conflict of goodand evil.

                    Your last paragraph about those who want to "kill all those who don't agree
                    with their views of religion and society" really is unsettling for its
                    truth. Fundamentalists of whatever ilk see things the same way, their way
                    or no way, and I believe we have many on this side of the pond who cloak
                    themselves as patriots while preaching a fundamental christianity. They
                    bomb abortion clinics (Eric Rudolph and his co-conspirators), government
                    buildings (Oklahoma City), drag black men behind their trucks and tie gays
                    to fence posts. Among their ranks are the Jew baiters and the kind of
                    people who locally painted anti black epithets on their neighbor's car and
                    home. If you're different, you don't belong. We are not beyond this yet.
                    We shouldn't need anti hate laws in this country.

                    The popes fought the holy wars,and the French clerics during the
                    pre-revolutionary war years were the instigators of most of the hardship
                    between the French and English settlers. They conspired with France and the
                    Indians to send the pagans (English) to hell. Obviously the Pope had an
                    interest in seeing France succeed over Protestant England. They disagreed
                    fundamentally. And anglos still fight over religion in Ireland (not so long
                    ago in Quebec), rather than simply economics.

                    Intolerance is deep in our cultural roots, it is an element of who we are as
                    Americans.

                    George Carlin rhetorically asked in one of his bits, how much kinder and
                    gentler would the world have been if there never were religion? (Not a quote
                    but a synopsis). I don't know. My faith, at least the way I learned it,
                    taught me to respect and also endeavored to have me understand other points
                    of view. Admittedly this all came in college, and a Catholic one at that.

                    Just for the record as I'm re-reading this. I oppose abortion at any time;
                    but I won't get between you and your conscience. Re: Carlin, I do not
                    subscribe to his thinking in all cases, but his views do offer food for
                    thought. Most often his thoughts are expressed too crudely for my taste,
                    perhaps it's to get my attention.

                    The merits of whether the FJ&G could or would be rebuilt as a going concern
                    may be moot. In my opinion the FJ&G exemplifies the purest application of
                    capitalism. In 1932 the Republican Hoover Administration said no to a
                    financial bail out. So the company reorganized and lasted until the money
                    and interest died in 1973. In resurrection the Democratic state government
                    played a major part in funding its ability to operate; it lasted only ten
                    years. Should the government have carried it further than they did and put
                    up more money for a dead horse or were the Republicans right in 1932 by
                    staying out of it? There that's something said about the FJ&G.

                    PKL



                    >From: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
                    >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    >CC: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
                    >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0400
                    >
                    >Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
                    >And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
                    >All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
                    >the political process and turning people off.
                    >
                    >Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
                    >facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
                    >blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
                    >friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
                    >offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
                    >Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.
                    >
                    >Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
                    >psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
                    >that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
                    >society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
                    >with their views of religion and society.
                    >
                    >There, now I got my 2 cents in too.
                    >
                    >Dick
                    >
                    >"Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"
                    >
                    >On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:
                    >
                    > > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                    > > But his own!!!� Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!� The Times
                    > > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!� They've got Liberal jerks like
                    > > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
                    > >
                    > > Gino
                    > >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                    > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                    > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                    > > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
                    > >
                    > > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
                    > > 8.
                    > >
                    > > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
                    > >
                    > > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                    > > it.�
                    > > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                    > > use
                    > > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
                    > > invest
                    > > on
                    > > the outcome, either way.
                    > >
                    > > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                    > > Tell
                    > > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.� So far it is a good read;
                    > > can't
                    > > beat the facts.
                    > >
                    > > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                    > > infiltrated
                    > > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
                    > >
                    > > PKL
                    > >
                    > > PKL
                    > >
                    > > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                    > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                    > > >
                    > > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                    > > >Legend!!!� But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                    > > >Ding-Bat Democrats.� Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
                    > > and
                    > >
                    > > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                    > > House
                    > >
                    > > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!� You yellow- Bellied
                    > > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                    > > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
                    > > keeps
                    > >
                    > > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah.�
                    > > What
                    > >
                    > > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?� And he talks Bout jobs
                    > > >being sent over seas.� How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
                    > > lately?�
                    > > >Hypocrite!!!!
                    > > >
                    > > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                    > > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
                    > > is
                    > > >no slam on Democratic voters.� Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                    > > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                    > > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                    > > >Hard-workers!� No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                    > > >
                    > > >Gino
                    > > >
                    > > >-----Original Message-----
                    > > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                    > > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                    > > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >Good, Pete.� I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
                    > > friend
                    > >
                    > > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                    > > too)
                    > > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                    > > >sites) I
                    > > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.� In "all"
                    > > >cases
                    > > >they are bunk.� The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                    > > >false
                    > > >from the left.
                    > > >
                    > > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                    > > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                    > > >
                    > > >PKL
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                    > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                    > > > >
                    > > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                    > > > >legends".
                    > > > >
                    > > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                    > > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
                    > > variety
                    > > > >of
                    > > >
                    > > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                    > > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
                    > > commercial
                    > > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
                    > > records
                    > >
                    > > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
                    > > naturalized
                    > >
                    > > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                    > > > >attack."
                    > > > >
                    > > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                    > > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                    > > > >Bin
                    > > >
                    > > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                    > > > >during the Regan years.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
                    > > stories
                    > > > >at
                    > > >
                    > > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                    > > > >
                    > > > >Peter Sefton
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >-----Original Message-----
                    > > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                    > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                    > > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                    > > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
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                  • Walt Danylak
                    Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into the ground. I m not a
                    Message 9 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
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                      Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice
                      for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into
                      the ground. I'm not a big Kerry fan, but I sure don't want to see
                      Bush for 4 more years. Say what you want about Clinton, at least we
                      had a strong economy while he was president. Like the bumper sticker
                      I saw a few weeks ago: Like father, like son, 4 years and out.

                      Walt
                    • oleroadslug
                      Hello Gino and friends- I ve been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                      Message 10 of 19 , Aug 11, 2004
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                        Hello Gino and friends-

                        I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                        all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                        little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                        this:

                        3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                        in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                        1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                        hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                        made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                        our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                        robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                        layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                        employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                        go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.

                        My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                        seen recently.

                        So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                        week or so ago:

                        Kerry & Edwards
                        So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns


                        With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....

                        Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                        the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$

                        Bob Schoneman
                      • Paul Charland
                        Hi All, Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just another Blame Canada letter I really think I need to open my trap. I live in
                        Message 11 of 19 , Aug 12, 2004
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                          Hi All,

                          Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just
                          another "Blame Canada" letter I really think I need to open my trap.

                          I live in a city of 20,000 right across the St. Lawrence River form New
                          York State. Since the Free Trade deal was signed back in the '80s we
                          watched most of our employers being bought up by their American
                          competitors, only to be closed weeks later. Philips Cables was closed
                          by a company in Chicago, 550 jobs lost. Microtel was bought by GE and
                          the contracts they held were diverted to GE Chicago, leaving our plant
                          to complete the contract they were working on and then the plant was
                          closed, all 800 workers were terminated. Black and Decker Canada
                          employed 1200 people, 25 in the R&D department are left, the rest of the
                          work went to Baltimore, Mexico, and Brazil.

                          This is common across Canada, Marathon Ontario was a pulp and paper
                          town, if you weren't employed by the mill, you worked in some sort of
                          service or store that was dependent on the mill's employees. An
                          American company in Wisconsin bought the mill, along with it's timber
                          rights, closed the mill but kept the loggers so they can strip our
                          forests and float them over Lake Superior to the mill in Wisconsin.
                          McCain Foods might have bought your food plant but at least they didn't
                          buy it to close it.

                          If CN bought IC so what, there was no railroad in United Stated
                          interested in partnering with them. Should we all bitch that Rail
                          America keeps buying every branchline that comes up for abandonment in
                          Canada?

                          Just my thoughts, we will return to regular programming now!

                          Paul :-)

                          oleroadslug wrote:
                          > Hello Gino and friends-
                          >
                          > I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                          > all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                          > little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                          > this:
                          >
                          > 3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                          > in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                          > 1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                          > hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                          > made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                          > our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                          > robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                          > layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                          > employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                          > go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.
                          >
                          > My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                          > seen recently.
                          >
                          > So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                          > week or so ago:
                          >
                          > Kerry & Edwards
                          > So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns
                          >
                          >
                          > With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....
                          >
                          > Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                          > the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$
                          >
                          > Bob Schoneman
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