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  • Malcolm Horton
    Peter, Many thanks for setting us straight on Things to think about . I failed to research the validity of these things and just passed them on to the group
    Message 1 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
      Peter,
       
      Many thanks for setting us straight on "Things to think about". I failed to research the validity of these "things" and just passed them on to the group just as I had received them from a friend. I conclude that stories such as this are probably "urban legends" as you have pointed out.
       
      On the good side, it prompted a wonderful set of things to think about from Paul Larner.
       
      Malcolm Horton
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:15 AM
      Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

      No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be “urban legends”.

       

      The “Mohamed Atta” who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:

       

      “Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe, reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that attack.”

       

      The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during the Regan years.

       

      You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add

       

      Peter Sefton

       

       

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
      Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
      To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
      Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

       

      Greetings,

       

      The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am passing it on to you as "things to think about".

       

      Malcolm Horton



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    • Dicarlo, Gino
      Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill
      Message 2 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
        Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
        Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
        Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
        If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
        White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
        Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
        The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
        Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
        Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
        Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
        Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!

        There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
        To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
        This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
        Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
        Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
        Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

        Gino

        -----Original Message-----
        From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
        Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


        Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
        (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
        who
        made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
        I
        usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
        cases
        they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
        false
        from the left.

        Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
        platforms
        falling for these short stories and sound bites.

        PKL


        >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
        >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
        >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
        >
        >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
        >legends".
        >
        >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
        >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

        >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
        >
        >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
        >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
        >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
        >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
        >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
        >attack."
        >
        >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
        >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

        >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
        >during the Regan years.
        >
        >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

        >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
        >
        >Peter Sefton
        >
        >
        >
        >-----Original Message-----
        >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
        >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
        >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
        >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
        >
        >Greetings,
        >
        >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
        >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
        >
        >Malcolm Horton
        >
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      • Dicarlo, Gino
        Sorry to vent like that guys. I need to keep my politics of the Railroad group! Just a knee-jerk reaction to the harassment I ve Received lately!!! Gino (No
        Message 3 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
          Sorry to vent like that guys. I need to keep my politics of the
          Railroad group! Just a knee-jerk reaction to the harassment I've
          Received lately!!!

          Gino
          (No More Politics From Me)

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Dicarlo, Gino [mailto:Gino.Dicarlo@...]
          Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:19 PM
          To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


          Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
          Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
          Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
          If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
          House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
          Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
          Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry keeps
          talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. What
          category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
          being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas lately?
          Hypocrite!!!!

          There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
          say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This is
          no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker who
          think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy and
          John Kerry really care about them and good middle class Hard-workers!
          No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

          Gino

          -----Original Message-----
          From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
          Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
          To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


          Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
          (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
          who
          made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
          I
          usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
          cases
          they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
          false
          from the left.

          Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
          platforms
          falling for these short stories and sound bites.

          PKL


          >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
          >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
          >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
          >
          >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
          >legends".
          >
          >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
          >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

          >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
          >
          >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
          >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
          >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
          >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
          >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
          >attack."
          >
          >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
          >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

          >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
          >during the Regan years.
          >
          >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

          >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
          >
          >Peter Sefton
          >
          >
          >
          >-----Original Message-----
          >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
          >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
          >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
          >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          >
          >Greetings,
          >
          >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
          >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
          >
          >Malcolm Horton
          >
          >
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        • peter sefton
          It always feels good to vent! To me, the true stuff you read in the paper is always stranger than any urban legend... ... From: Dicarlo, Gino
          Message 4 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
            It always feels good to vent!

            To me, the true stuff you read in the paper is always stranger than any
            urban legend...





            -----Original Message-----
            From: Dicarlo, Gino [mailto:Gino.Dicarlo@...]
            Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:19 PM
            To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

            Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
            Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
            Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
            If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
            White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
            Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
            The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
            Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
            Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
            Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
            Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!

            There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
            To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
            This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
            Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
            Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
            Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

            Gino

            -----Original Message-----
            From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
            Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
            To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


            Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
            (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
            who
            made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
            I
            usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
            cases
            they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
            false
            from the left.

            Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
            platforms
            falling for these short stories and sound bites.

            PKL


            >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
            >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
            >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
            >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
            >
            >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
            >legends".
            >
            >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
            >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

            >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
            >
            >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
            >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
            >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
            >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
            >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
            >attack."
            >
            >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
            >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

            >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
            >during the Regan years.
            >
            >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

            >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
            >
            >Peter Sefton
            >
            >
            >
            >-----Original Message-----
            >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
            >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
            >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
            >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
            >
            >Greetings,
            >
            >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
            >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
            >
            >Malcolm Horton
            >
            >
            >Visit Gino's Railpage at
            >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
            >http://fjgrr.org
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          • Gerald Snyder
            Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.) But, everyone, I think we re getting pretty far off the group topic here with this political discussion. Jerry
            Message 5 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
              Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
              But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
              the group topic here with this political discussion.
              Jerry
              --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...> wrote:

              > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
              > most always Urban
              > Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded
              > and slams the
              > Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a
              > president!!!!
              > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
              > wife)get into the
              > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
              > up! You yellow-
              > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
              > you want, but all
              > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
              > scum-bags!
              > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
              > rich and blah, blah,
              > Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall
              > into? And he talks
              > Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has
              > Heinz sent over
              > Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
              >
              > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
              > it was my turn
              > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
              > politicians.
              > This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most
              > Democrats I know are hard
              > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
              > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
              > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
              > good middle class
              > Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat
              > welfare scammers...
              >
              > Gino
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
              > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
              > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              >
              >
              > Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
              > a"railroad" friend
              > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
              > about the "FJ&G too)
              > who
              > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
              > the neo-con sites)
              > I
              > usually go to google and check the references and
              > respond. In "all"
              > cases
              > they are bunk. The irony is that I never get
              > anything so vicious or
              > false
              > from the left.
              >
              > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
              > respective party
              > platforms
              > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
              >
              > PKL
              >
              >
              > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
              > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
              > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
              > >
              > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
              > shown to be "urban
              > >legends".
              > >
              > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
              > was not the same
              > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
              > debunked in a variety of
              >
              > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
              > wrote:
              > >
              > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
              > Boston Globe,
              > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
              > attacked a commercial
              > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
              > of Appeals records
              > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
              > man, a naturalized
              > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
              > arrested in that
              > >attack."
              > >
              > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
              > install a home
              > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
              > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
              >
              > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
              > Russians in Afganistan
              > >during the Regan years.
              > >
              > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
              > of these stories at
              >
              > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
              > >
              > >Peter Sefton
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >-----Original Message-----
              > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
              > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
              > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
              > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
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            • Dicarlo, Gino
              Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G? I ll steer it back in that direction! Gino ... From: Gerald Snyder
              Message 6 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                Message
                Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G?
                I'll steer it back in that direction!
                 
                Gino
                -----Original Message-----
                From: Gerald Snyder [mailto:handyman756@...]
                Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:09 PM
                To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

                Amen.  (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
                But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
                the group topic here with this political discussion.
                Jerry
                --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...> wrote:

                > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
                > most always Urban
                > Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded
                > and slams the
                > Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a
                > president!!!!
                > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
                > wife)get into the
                > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
                > up!  You yellow-
                > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
                > you want, but all
                > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
                > scum-bags!
                > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
                > rich and blah, blah,
                > Blah.  What category does his Billionaire wife fall
                > into?  And he talks
                > Bout jobs being sent over seas.  How many jobs has
                > Heinz sent over
                > Seas lately?  Hypocrite!!!!
                >
                > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
                > it was my turn
                > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
                > politicians.
                > This is no slam on Democratic voters.  Most
                > Democrats I know are hard
                > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
                > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
                > good middle class
                > Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat
                > welfare scammers...
                >
                > Gino
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                >
                >
                > Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
                > a"railroad" friend
                > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
                > about the "FJ&G too)
                > who
                > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
                > the neo-con sites)
                > I
                > usually go to google and check the references and
                > respond.  In "all"
                > cases
                > they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get
                > anything so vicious or
                > false
                > from the left.
                >
                > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
                > respective party
                > platforms
                > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                >
                > PKL
                >
                >
                > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                > >
                > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
                > shown to be "urban
                > >legends".
                > >
                > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
                > was not the same
                > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
                > debunked in a variety of
                >
                > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
                > wrote:
                > >
                > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
                > Boston Globe,
                > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
                > attacked a commercial
                > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
                > of Appeals records
                > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
                > man, a naturalized
                > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
                > arrested in that
                > >attack."
                > >
                > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
                > install a home
                > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
                > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                >
                > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
                > Russians in Afganistan
                > >during the Regan years.
                > >
                > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
                > of these stories at
                >
                > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                > >
                > >Peter Sefton
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >-----Original Message-----
                > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                > >
                > >Greetings,
                > >
                > >The attached message was received from a friend via
                > e-mail. I am
                > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                > >
                > >Malcolm Horton
                > >
                > >
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                > >http://fjgrr.org
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                > Lost Landmark Page
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              • stevefjg30
                NOPE I DONT THINK THE GOOD LORD HIMSELF COULD REBUILD WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY.NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERMENT YOU WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP THATS WHAT I WATCH
                Message 7 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                  NOPE I DONT THINK THE GOOD LORD HIMSELF COULD REBUILD WHAT WE SAW
                  YESTERDAY.NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERMENT YOU WILL PUT ME TO
                  SLEEP THATS WHAT I WATCH WHEN I CANT SLEEP WORKS EVERYTIME MSNBC
                  FOXNEWS ALL OF THEM BORING CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  STEVE L

                  PS ALL POLITICIANS ARE
                  CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                  --- In
                  FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com, "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@q...>
                  wrote:
                  > Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G?
                  > I'll steer it back in that direction!
                  >
                  > Gino
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Gerald Snyder [mailto:handyman756@y...]
                  > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:09 PM
                  > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  >
                  >
                  > Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
                  > But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
                  > the group topic here with this political discussion.
                  > Jerry
                  > --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@q...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
                  > > most always Urban
                  > > Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded
                  > > and slams the
                  > > Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a
                  > > president!!!!
                  > > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
                  > > wife)get into the
                  > > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
                  > > up! You yellow-
                  > > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
                  > > you want, but all
                  > > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
                  > > scum-bags!
                  > > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
                  > > rich and blah, blah,
                  > > Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall
                  > > into? And he talks
                  > > Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has
                  > > Heinz sent over
                  > > Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
                  > >
                  > > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
                  > > it was my turn
                  > > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
                  > > politicians.
                  > > This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most
                  > > Democrats I know are hard
                  > > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
                  > > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                  > > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
                  > > good middle class
                  > > Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat
                  > > welfare scammers...
                  > >
                  > > Gino
                  > >
                  > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@h...]
                  > > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                  > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
                  > > a"railroad" friend
                  > > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
                  > > about the "FJ&G too)
                  > > who
                  > > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
                  > > the neo-con sites)
                  > > I
                  > > usually go to google and check the references and
                  > > respond. In "all"
                  > > cases
                  > > they are bunk. The irony is that I never get
                  > > anything so vicious or
                  > > false
                  > > from the left.
                  > >
                  > > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
                  > > respective party
                  > > platforms
                  > > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                  > >
                  > > PKL
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@c...>
                  > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                  > > >
                  > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
                  > > shown to be "urban
                  > > >legends".
                  > > >
                  > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
                  > > was not the same
                  > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
                  > > debunked in a variety of
                  > >
                  > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
                  > > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
                  > > Boston Globe,
                  > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
                  > > attacked a commercial
                  > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
                  > > of Appeals records
                  > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
                  > > man, a naturalized
                  > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
                  > > arrested in that
                  > > >attack."
                  > > >
                  > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
                  > > install a home
                  > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
                  > > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                  > >
                  > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
                  > > Russians in Afganistan
                  > > >during the Regan years.
                  > > >
                  > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
                  > > of these stories at
                  > >
                  > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                  > > >
                  > > >Peter Sefton
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >-----Original Message-----
                  > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@m...]
                  > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                  > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                  > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  > > >
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                  > > >
                  > > >The attached message was received from a friend via
                  > > e-mail. I am
                  > > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                  > > >
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                  > > >
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                • Gino DiCarlo
                  Nothing funnier than when you re not trying to insult people! I like it better when you just let loose and don t care who you offend! Just like the time you
                  Message 8 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                    Nothing funnier than when you're not trying to insult people! I like
                    it better when you just
                    let loose and don't care who you offend! Just like the time you
                    refered to Faust's Art
                    Park at the Sacandaga Station as the "Junk Yard!"

                    Gino

                    On Aug 8, 2004, at 9:58 AM, paul larner wrote:

                    > Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
                    > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                    > too) who
                    > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                    > sites)  I
                    > usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
                    > cases
                    > they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                    > false
                    > from the left.
                    >
                    > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                    > platforms
                    > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                    >
                    > PKL
                    >
                    >
                    > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                    > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                    > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                    > >
                    > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                    > >legends".
                    > >
                    > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                    > person
                    > >as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news
                    > >reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                    > >
                    > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                    > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                    > bus
                    > >in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
                    > show
                    > >that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US
                    > >citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                    > >attack."
                    > >
                    > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                    > security
                    > >system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden
                    > >was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during
                    > the
                    > >Regan years.
                    > >
                    > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
                    > at
                    > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                    > >
                    > >Peter Sefton
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >-----Original Message-----
                    > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                    > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                    > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                    > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > >
                    > >Greetings,
                    > >
                    > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                    > passing
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                  • paul larner
                    Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US. Do read the
                    Message 9 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                      Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                      overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

                      Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.
                      Couple of good opinion pieces there.

                      An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports it.
                      Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators use
                      the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest on
                      the outcome, either way.

                      Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell
                      Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read; can't
                      beat the facts.

                      Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that infiltrated
                      the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

                      PKL

                      PKL

                      >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                      >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                      >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                      >
                      >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                      >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                      >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
                      >If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
                      >White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
                      >Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
                      >The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
                      >Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
                      >Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
                      >Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
                      >Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
                      >
                      >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
                      >To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
                      >This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
                      >Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                      >Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                      >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                      >
                      >Gino
                      >
                      >-----Original Message-----
                      >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                      >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                      >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      >
                      >
                      >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
                      >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                      >who
                      >made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
                      >I
                      >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                      >cases
                      >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                      >false
                      >from the left.
                      >
                      >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                      >platforms
                      >falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                      >
                      >PKL
                      >
                      >
                      > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                      > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                      > >
                      > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                      > >legends".
                      > >
                      > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                      > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of
                      >
                      > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                      > >
                      > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                      > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                      > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
                      > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
                      > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                      > >attack."
                      > >
                      > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                      > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                      >
                      > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                      > >during the Regan years.
                      > >
                      > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at
                      >
                      > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                      > >
                      > >Peter Sefton
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >-----Original Message-----
                      > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                      > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                      > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                      > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      > >
                      > >Greetings,
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                      > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                      > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                      > >
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                    • Dicarlo, Gino
                      Al Franken is a jerk who doesn t want to hear anyone s opinion But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times Union is a LIBERAL news paper!
                      Message 10 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                        Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                        But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times
                        Union is a LIBERAL news paper! They've got Liberal jerks like
                        Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!

                        Gino

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                        Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


                        Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                        overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

                        Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.

                        Couple of good opinion pieces there.

                        An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                        it.
                        Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                        use
                        the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest
                        on
                        the outcome, either way.

                        Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                        Tell
                        Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read;
                        can't
                        beat the facts.

                        Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                        infiltrated
                        the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

                        PKL

                        PKL

                        >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                        >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                        >
                        >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                        >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                        >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If and

                        >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White House

                        >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
                        >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                        >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry keeps

                        >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. What

                        >category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
                        >being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas lately?
                        >Hypocrite!!!!
                        >
                        >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                        >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This is
                        >no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                        >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                        >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                        >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                        >
                        >Gino
                        >
                        >-----Original Message-----
                        >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                        >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                        >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        >
                        >
                        >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend

                        >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                        >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                        >sites) I
                        >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                        >cases
                        >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                        >false
                        >from the left.
                        >
                        >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                        >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                        >
                        >PKL
                        >
                        >
                        > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                        > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                        > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                        > >
                        > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                        > >legends".
                        > >
                        > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                        > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety
                        > >of
                        >
                        > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                        > >
                        > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                        > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                        > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records

                        > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized

                        > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                        > >attack."
                        > >
                        > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                        > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                        > >Bin
                        >
                        > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                        > >during the Regan years.
                        > >
                        > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
                        > >at
                        >
                        > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                        > >
                        > >Peter Sefton
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >-----Original Message-----
                        > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                        > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                        > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                        > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        > >
                        > >Greetings,
                        > >
                        > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                        > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                        > >
                        > >Malcolm Horton
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
                        > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
                        > >http://fjgrr.org
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                        > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org Visit The NERAIL North American Photo
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                      • Richard Finn
                        Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights answer to the Lefts Molly Ivins. And her facts are more accurate than Ivin s, Franken s and Moore s. All that
                        Message 11 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                          Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
                          And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
                          All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
                          the political process and turning people off.

                          Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
                          facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
                          blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
                          friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
                          offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
                          Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.

                          Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
                          psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
                          that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
                          society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
                          with their views of religion and society.

                          There, now I got my 2 cents in too.

                          Dick

                          "Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"

                          On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:

                          > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                          > But his own!!!  Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!  The Times
                          > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!  They've got Liberal jerks like
                          > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
                          >
                          > Gino
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                          > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                          > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                          >
                          >
                          > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                          > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
                          >
                          > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
                          > 8.
                          >
                          > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
                          >
                          > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                          > it. 
                          > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                          > use
                          > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
                          > invest
                          > on
                          > the outcome, either way.
                          >
                          > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                          > Tell
                          > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.  So far it is a good read;
                          > can't
                          > beat the facts.
                          >
                          > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                          > infiltrated
                          > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
                          >
                          > PKL
                          >
                          > PKL
                          >
                          > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                          > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                          > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                          > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                          > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                          > >
                          > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                          > >Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                          > >Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
                          > and
                          >
                          > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                          > House
                          >
                          > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!  You yellow- Bellied
                          > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                          > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
                          > keeps
                          >
                          > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. 
                          > What
                          >
                          > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?  And he talks Bout jobs
                          > >being sent over seas.  How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
                          > lately? 
                          > >Hypocrite!!!!
                          > >
                          > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                          > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
                          > is
                          > >no slam on Democratic voters.  Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                          > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                          > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                          > >Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                          > >
                          > >Gino
                          > >
                          > >-----Original Message-----
                          > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                          > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                          > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                          > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
                          > friend
                          >
                          > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                          > too)
                          > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                          > >sites) I
                          > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
                          > >cases
                          > >they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                          > >false
                          > >from the left.
                          > >
                          > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                          > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                          > >
                          > >PKL
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                          > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                          > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                          > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                          > > >
                          > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                          > > >legends".
                          > > >
                          > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                          > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
                          > variety
                          > > >of
                          > >
                          > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                          > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
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                          > records
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                          > > >Bin
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                        • paul larner
                          Dick, In the first part of Franken s book, the part I ve gotten to, he dismembers Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
                          Message 12 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                            Dick,

                            In the first part of Franken's book, the part I've gotten to, he dismembers
                            Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
                            distortion not a lie? If I ever get off this machine, I'll be reading some
                            more of that liberal dribble.

                            On the subject of liberals and their inablility to see evil, you are on to
                            something there. Three other books on my bedstand this month are William
                            Blake's poem "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell," Freud's "Civilization and
                            Its Discontents" and Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil." Those little books
                            are next. They deal with this subject. What got me onto those tidbits was
                            a comment I heard about Jim Morrison's Band name "The Doors" coming from
                            Blakes poetry. Now there was a conflict of goodand evil.

                            Your last paragraph about those who want to "kill all those who don't agree
                            with their views of religion and society" really is unsettling for its
                            truth. Fundamentalists of whatever ilk see things the same way, their way
                            or no way, and I believe we have many on this side of the pond who cloak
                            themselves as patriots while preaching a fundamental christianity. They
                            bomb abortion clinics (Eric Rudolph and his co-conspirators), government
                            buildings (Oklahoma City), drag black men behind their trucks and tie gays
                            to fence posts. Among their ranks are the Jew baiters and the kind of
                            people who locally painted anti black epithets on their neighbor's car and
                            home. If you're different, you don't belong. We are not beyond this yet.
                            We shouldn't need anti hate laws in this country.

                            The popes fought the holy wars,and the French clerics during the
                            pre-revolutionary war years were the instigators of most of the hardship
                            between the French and English settlers. They conspired with France and the
                            Indians to send the pagans (English) to hell. Obviously the Pope had an
                            interest in seeing France succeed over Protestant England. They disagreed
                            fundamentally. And anglos still fight over religion in Ireland (not so long
                            ago in Quebec), rather than simply economics.

                            Intolerance is deep in our cultural roots, it is an element of who we are as
                            Americans.

                            George Carlin rhetorically asked in one of his bits, how much kinder and
                            gentler would the world have been if there never were religion? (Not a quote
                            but a synopsis). I don't know. My faith, at least the way I learned it,
                            taught me to respect and also endeavored to have me understand other points
                            of view. Admittedly this all came in college, and a Catholic one at that.

                            Just for the record as I'm re-reading this. I oppose abortion at any time;
                            but I won't get between you and your conscience. Re: Carlin, I do not
                            subscribe to his thinking in all cases, but his views do offer food for
                            thought. Most often his thoughts are expressed too crudely for my taste,
                            perhaps it's to get my attention.

                            The merits of whether the FJ&G could or would be rebuilt as a going concern
                            may be moot. In my opinion the FJ&G exemplifies the purest application of
                            capitalism. In 1932 the Republican Hoover Administration said no to a
                            financial bail out. So the company reorganized and lasted until the money
                            and interest died in 1973. In resurrection the Democratic state government
                            played a major part in funding its ability to operate; it lasted only ten
                            years. Should the government have carried it further than they did and put
                            up more money for a dead horse or were the Republicans right in 1932 by
                            staying out of it? There that's something said about the FJ&G.

                            PKL



                            >From: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
                            >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            >CC: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
                            >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0400
                            >
                            >Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
                            >And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
                            >All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
                            >the political process and turning people off.
                            >
                            >Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
                            >facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
                            >blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
                            >friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
                            >offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
                            >Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.
                            >
                            >Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
                            >psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
                            >that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
                            >society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
                            >with their views of religion and society.
                            >
                            >There, now I got my 2 cents in too.
                            >
                            >Dick
                            >
                            >"Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"
                            >
                            >On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:
                            >
                            > > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                            > > But his own!!!� Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!� The Times
                            > > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!� They've got Liberal jerks like
                            > > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
                            > >
                            > > Gino
                            > >
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                            > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                            > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                            > > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
                            > >
                            > > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
                            > > 8.
                            > >
                            > > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
                            > >
                            > > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                            > > it.�
                            > > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                            > > use
                            > > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
                            > > invest
                            > > on
                            > > the outcome, either way.
                            > >
                            > > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                            > > Tell
                            > > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.� So far it is a good read;
                            > > can't
                            > > beat the facts.
                            > >
                            > > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                            > > infiltrated
                            > > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
                            > >
                            > > PKL
                            > >
                            > > PKL
                            > >
                            > > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                            > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                            > > >
                            > > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                            > > >Legend!!!� But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                            > > >Ding-Bat Democrats.� Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
                            > > and
                            > >
                            > > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                            > > House
                            > >
                            > > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!� You yellow- Bellied
                            > > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                            > > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
                            > > keeps
                            > >
                            > > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah.�
                            > > What
                            > >
                            > > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?� And he talks Bout jobs
                            > > >being sent over seas.� How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
                            > > lately?�
                            > > >Hypocrite!!!!
                            > > >
                            > > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                            > > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
                            > > is
                            > > >no slam on Democratic voters.� Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                            > > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                            > > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                            > > >Hard-workers!� No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                            > > >
                            > > >Gino
                            > > >
                            > > >-----Original Message-----
                            > > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                            > > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                            > > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >Good, Pete.� I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
                            > > friend
                            > >
                            > > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                            > > too)
                            > > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                            > > >sites) I
                            > > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.� In "all"
                            > > >cases
                            > > >they are bunk.� The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                            > > >false
                            > > >from the left.
                            > > >
                            > > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                            > > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                            > > >
                            > > >PKL
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                            > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                            > > > >
                            > > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                            > > > >legends".
                            > > > >
                            > > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                            > > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
                            > > variety
                            > > > >of
                            > > >
                            > > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                            > > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
                            > > commercial
                            > > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
                            > > records
                            > >
                            > > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
                            > > naturalized
                            > >
                            > > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                            > > > >attack."
                            > > > >
                            > > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                            > > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                            > > > >Bin
                            > > >
                            > > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                            > > > >during the Regan years.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
                            > > stories
                            > > > >at
                            > > >
                            > > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                            > > > >
                            > > > >Peter Sefton
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >-----Original Message-----
                            > > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                            > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                            > > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                            > > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
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                          • Walt Danylak
                            Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into the ground. I m not a
                            Message 13 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                              Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice
                              for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into
                              the ground. I'm not a big Kerry fan, but I sure don't want to see
                              Bush for 4 more years. Say what you want about Clinton, at least we
                              had a strong economy while he was president. Like the bumper sticker
                              I saw a few weeks ago: Like father, like son, 4 years and out.

                              Walt
                            • oleroadslug
                              Hello Gino and friends- I ve been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                              Message 14 of 19 , Aug 11, 2004
                                Hello Gino and friends-

                                I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                                all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                                little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                                this:

                                3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                                in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                                1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                                hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                                made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                                our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                                robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                                layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                                employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                                go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.

                                My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                                seen recently.

                                So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                                week or so ago:

                                Kerry & Edwards
                                So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns


                                With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....

                                Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                                the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$

                                Bob Schoneman
                              • Paul Charland
                                Hi All, Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just another Blame Canada letter I really think I need to open my trap. I live in
                                Message 15 of 19 , Aug 12, 2004
                                  Hi All,

                                  Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just
                                  another "Blame Canada" letter I really think I need to open my trap.

                                  I live in a city of 20,000 right across the St. Lawrence River form New
                                  York State. Since the Free Trade deal was signed back in the '80s we
                                  watched most of our employers being bought up by their American
                                  competitors, only to be closed weeks later. Philips Cables was closed
                                  by a company in Chicago, 550 jobs lost. Microtel was bought by GE and
                                  the contracts they held were diverted to GE Chicago, leaving our plant
                                  to complete the contract they were working on and then the plant was
                                  closed, all 800 workers were terminated. Black and Decker Canada
                                  employed 1200 people, 25 in the R&D department are left, the rest of the
                                  work went to Baltimore, Mexico, and Brazil.

                                  This is common across Canada, Marathon Ontario was a pulp and paper
                                  town, if you weren't employed by the mill, you worked in some sort of
                                  service or store that was dependent on the mill's employees. An
                                  American company in Wisconsin bought the mill, along with it's timber
                                  rights, closed the mill but kept the loggers so they can strip our
                                  forests and float them over Lake Superior to the mill in Wisconsin.
                                  McCain Foods might have bought your food plant but at least they didn't
                                  buy it to close it.

                                  If CN bought IC so what, there was no railroad in United Stated
                                  interested in partnering with them. Should we all bitch that Rail
                                  America keeps buying every branchline that comes up for abandonment in
                                  Canada?

                                  Just my thoughts, we will return to regular programming now!

                                  Paul :-)

                                  oleroadslug wrote:
                                  > Hello Gino and friends-
                                  >
                                  > I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                                  > all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                                  > little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                                  > this:
                                  >
                                  > 3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                                  > in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                                  > 1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                                  > hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                                  > made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                                  > our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                                  > robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                                  > layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                                  > employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                                  > go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.
                                  >
                                  > My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                                  > seen recently.
                                  >
                                  > So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                                  > week or so ago:
                                  >
                                  > Kerry & Edwards
                                  > So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....
                                  >
                                  > Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                                  > the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$
                                  >
                                  > Bob Schoneman
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