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  • paul larner
    Isn t that the truth and a shame. We Americans in our civilized culture just don t understand the culture in which one man can rationally kill another, or
    Message 1 of 19 , Aug 7, 2004
      Isn't that the truth and a shame. We Americans in our "civilized" culture
      just don't understand the culture in which one man can rationally kill
      another, or many, for a principal. (At least not since the Crusades and the
      wars with the Moors) Isn't this the third time in history the islamic
      fundamentalist have tried to conquer the western world?

      Though intolerance has been a part of our culture too, it today resides
      chiefly within those less educated. This was the lesson unlearned (or worse
      ignored for any reason, hopefully but fearfully not ego or oil) by the Bush
      decision makers when they undertook the "liberation" of Iraq. In those
      societies two societies, Yugoslavia and Iraq, power and it use (abuse) are
      all that are understood. Failure to conform or coexist is a sentence to
      death or, if you are fortunate, exile. I believe the vacuum created when
      Tito died and Hussein was deposed created the conditions leading first to
      the Kosovo war, in which no American citizen was put on the battlefiel or
      lost his life in a combat operation (over the objections of the Republican
      controlled Congress which said the war couldn't be won without engaging
      troops), and the present situation in Iraq. We're in Iraq up to our mid
      section, and we must stay until the job of stabilizing that nation is
      accomplished, but has the cost up to now been worth it? And what will the
      future costs be? A couple more Americans were killed today.

      Poor decision making at the top by leadership that had the experience to
      know the difference and failed to use it, especially at a time when our
      resources need to be aimed in another very specific direction - Osama Bin
      Laden - is inexcusable. No reward here; back to Texas.

      Please don't misunderstand me. I accept that Hussein was a threat to the
      world's stability. I realize he was fundiing terrorism in Israel. I do not
      however accept that his secular government was in any way associated with
      the fundamentalist Bin Laden organization, nor was he a present threat to
      the U.S. All the things (WMD) Bush said were in Iraq as justification for
      his besting Daddy's war are today rearing their heads in Iran and N. Korea.

      The policy of "preemptive strike" on those perceived to be our enemies has
      only created the need for any nation feeling they might go on the "bad guy"
      list to arm themselves to the best of their abilities, read nuclear. The
      Bush administration has restarted the cold war but now the enemies are the
      third world nuclear or wannabe nuclear powers.

      We certainly have turned the corner back to the seventies.

      And this doesn't even get to the tax code issues, outsourcing, privatization
      of social security, federal assumption of corporate pension funds as back
      door means of propping up companies that should be allowed to fail....

      Paul


      >From: "Malcolm Horton" <mdhorton@...>
      >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      >To: "FJ&G Yahoogroups" <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:43:23 -0400
      >
      >Greetings,
      >
      >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am passing it
      >on to you as "things to think about".
      >
      >Malcolm Horton
      ><< INTERESTINGREADING.doc >>
    • peter sefton
      No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be urban legends . The Mohamed Atta who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same person as the
      Message 2 of 19 , Aug 7, 2004

        No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be “urban legends”.

         

        The “Mohamed Atta” who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:

         

        Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe, reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that attack.”

         

        The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during the Regan years.

         

        You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add

         

        Peter Sefton

         

         

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
        Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
        To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
        Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

         

        Greetings,

         

        The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am passing it on to you as "things to think about".

         

        Malcolm Horton



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      • paul larner
        Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a railroad friend (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the FJ&G too) who made the
        Message 3 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
          Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
          (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too) who
          made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites) I
          usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all" cases
          they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or false
          from the left.

          Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party platforms
          falling for these short stories and sound bites.

          PKL


          >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
          >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
          >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
          >
          >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
          >legends".
          >
          >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same person
          >as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news
          >reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
          >
          >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
          >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial bus
          >in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records show
          >that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US
          >citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
          >attack."
          >
          >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home security
          >system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden
          >was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during the
          >Regan years.
          >
          >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at
          >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
          >
          >Peter Sefton
          >
          >
          >
          >-----Original Message-----
          >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
          >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
          >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
          >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
          >
          >Greetings,
          >
          >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am passing
          >it on to you as "things to think about".
          >
          >Malcolm Horton
          >
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        • Malcolm Horton
          Peter, Many thanks for setting us straight on Things to think about . I failed to research the validity of these things and just passed them on to the group
          Message 4 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
            Peter,
             
            Many thanks for setting us straight on "Things to think about". I failed to research the validity of these "things" and just passed them on to the group just as I had received them from a friend. I conclude that stories such as this are probably "urban legends" as you have pointed out.
             
            On the good side, it prompted a wonderful set of things to think about from Paul Larner.
             
            Malcolm Horton
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:15 AM
            Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

            No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be “urban legends”.

             

            The “Mohamed Atta” who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:

             

            “Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe, reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that attack.”

             

            The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during the Regan years.

             

            You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add

             

            Peter Sefton

             

             

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
            Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
            To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
            Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

             

            Greetings,

             

            The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am passing it on to you as "things to think about".

             

            Malcolm Horton



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          • Dicarlo, Gino
            Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill
            Message 5 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
              Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
              Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
              Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
              If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
              White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
              Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
              The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
              Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
              Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
              Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
              Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!

              There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
              To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
              This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
              Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
              Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
              Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

              Gino

              -----Original Message-----
              From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
              Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
              To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


              Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
              (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
              who
              made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
              I
              usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
              cases
              they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
              false
              from the left.

              Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
              platforms
              falling for these short stories and sound bites.

              PKL


              >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
              >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
              >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
              >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
              >
              >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
              >legends".
              >
              >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
              >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

              >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
              >
              >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
              >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
              >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
              >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
              >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
              >attack."
              >
              >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
              >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

              >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
              >during the Regan years.
              >
              >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

              >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
              >
              >Peter Sefton
              >
              >
              >
              >-----Original Message-----
              >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
              >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
              >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
              >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
              >
              >Greetings,
              >
              >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
              >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
              >
              >Malcolm Horton
              >
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            • Dicarlo, Gino
              Sorry to vent like that guys. I need to keep my politics of the Railroad group! Just a knee-jerk reaction to the harassment I ve Received lately!!! Gino (No
              Message 6 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                Sorry to vent like that guys. I need to keep my politics of the
                Railroad group! Just a knee-jerk reaction to the harassment I've
                Received lately!!!

                Gino
                (No More Politics From Me)

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Dicarlo, Gino [mailto:Gino.Dicarlo@...]
                Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:19 PM
                To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


                Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
                If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
                Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry keeps
                talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. What
                category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
                being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas lately?
                Hypocrite!!!!

                There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This is
                no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker who
                think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy and
                John Kerry really care about them and good middle class Hard-workers!
                No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

                Gino

                -----Original Message-----
                From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


                Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
                (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                who
                made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
                I
                usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                cases
                they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                false
                from the left.

                Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                platforms
                falling for these short stories and sound bites.

                PKL


                >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                >
                >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                >legends".
                >
                >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

                >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                >
                >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
                >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
                >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                >attack."
                >
                >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

                >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                >during the Regan years.
                >
                >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

                >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                >
                >Peter Sefton
                >
                >
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                >
                >Greetings,
                >
                >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                >
                >Malcolm Horton
                >
                >
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              • peter sefton
                It always feels good to vent! To me, the true stuff you read in the paper is always stranger than any urban legend... ... From: Dicarlo, Gino
                Message 7 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                  It always feels good to vent!

                  To me, the true stuff you read in the paper is always stranger than any
                  urban legend...





                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Dicarlo, Gino [mailto:Gino.Dicarlo@...]
                  Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:19 PM
                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

                  Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                  Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                  Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
                  If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
                  White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
                  Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
                  The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
                  Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
                  Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
                  Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
                  Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!

                  There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
                  To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
                  This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
                  Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                  Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                  Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...

                  Gino

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                  Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


                  Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
                  (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                  who
                  made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
                  I
                  usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                  cases
                  they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                  false
                  from the left.

                  Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                  platforms
                  falling for these short stories and sound bites.

                  PKL


                  >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                  >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                  >
                  >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                  >legends".
                  >
                  >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                  >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of

                  >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                  >
                  >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                  >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                  >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
                  >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
                  >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                  >attack."
                  >
                  >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                  >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin

                  >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                  >during the Regan years.
                  >
                  >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at

                  >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                  >
                  >Peter Sefton
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >-----Original Message-----
                  >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                  >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                  >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                  >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                  >
                  >Greetings,
                  >
                  >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                  >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                  >
                  >Malcolm Horton
                  >
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                • Gerald Snyder
                  Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.) But, everyone, I think we re getting pretty far off the group topic here with this political discussion. Jerry
                  Message 8 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                    Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
                    But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
                    the group topic here with this political discussion.
                    Jerry
                    --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...> wrote:

                    > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
                    > most always Urban
                    > Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded
                    > and slams the
                    > Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a
                    > president!!!!
                    > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
                    > wife)get into the
                    > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
                    > up! You yellow-
                    > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
                    > you want, but all
                    > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
                    > scum-bags!
                    > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
                    > rich and blah, blah,
                    > Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall
                    > into? And he talks
                    > Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has
                    > Heinz sent over
                    > Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
                    >
                    > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
                    > it was my turn
                    > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
                    > politicians.
                    > This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most
                    > Democrats I know are hard
                    > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
                    > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                    > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
                    > good middle class
                    > Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat
                    > welfare scammers...
                    >
                    > Gino
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                    > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                    > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    >
                    >
                    > Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
                    > a"railroad" friend
                    > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
                    > about the "FJ&G too)
                    > who
                    > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
                    > the neo-con sites)
                    > I
                    > usually go to google and check the references and
                    > respond. In "all"
                    > cases
                    > they are bunk. The irony is that I never get
                    > anything so vicious or
                    > false
                    > from the left.
                    >
                    > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
                    > respective party
                    > platforms
                    > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                    >
                    > PKL
                    >
                    >
                    > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                    > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                    > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                    > >
                    > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
                    > shown to be "urban
                    > >legends".
                    > >
                    > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
                    > was not the same
                    > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
                    > debunked in a variety of
                    >
                    > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
                    > Boston Globe,
                    > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
                    > attacked a commercial
                    > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
                    > of Appeals records
                    > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
                    > man, a naturalized
                    > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
                    > arrested in that
                    > >attack."
                    > >
                    > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
                    > install a home
                    > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
                    > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                    >
                    > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
                    > Russians in Afganistan
                    > >during the Regan years.
                    > >
                    > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
                    > of these stories at
                    >
                    > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                    > >
                    > >Peter Sefton
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >-----Original Message-----
                    > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                    > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                    > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                    > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                    > >
                    > >Greetings,
                    > >
                    > >The attached message was received from a friend via
                    > e-mail. I am
                    > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                    > >
                    > >Malcolm Horton
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
                    > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
                    > >http://fjgrr.org
                    > >Visit The Greater Capital District Railfan
                    > Assocation at
                    > >http://gcdranet.homelinux.com/ Visit Pete Seftons
                    > Lost Landmark Page
                    > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org
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                  • Dicarlo, Gino
                    Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G? I ll steer it back in that direction! Gino ... From: Gerald Snyder
                    Message 9 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                      Message
                      Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G?
                      I'll steer it back in that direction!
                       
                      Gino
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Gerald Snyder [mailto:handyman756@...]
                      Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:09 PM
                      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about

                      Amen.  (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
                      But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
                      the group topic here with this political discussion.
                      Jerry
                      --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...> wrote:

                      > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
                      > most always Urban
                      > Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded
                      > and slams the
                      > Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a
                      > president!!!!
                      > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
                      > wife)get into the
                      > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
                      > up!  You yellow-
                      > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
                      > you want, but all
                      > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
                      > scum-bags!
                      > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
                      > rich and blah, blah,
                      > Blah.  What category does his Billionaire wife fall
                      > into?  And he talks
                      > Bout jobs being sent over seas.  How many jobs has
                      > Heinz sent over
                      > Seas lately?  Hypocrite!!!!
                      >
                      > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
                      > it was my turn
                      > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
                      > politicians.
                      > This is no slam on Democratic voters.  Most
                      > Democrats I know are hard
                      > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
                      > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                      > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
                      > good middle class
                      > Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat
                      > welfare scammers...
                      >
                      > Gino
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                      > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                      > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      >
                      >
                      > Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
                      > a"railroad" friend
                      > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
                      > about the "FJ&G too)
                      > who
                      > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
                      > the neo-con sites)
                      > I
                      > usually go to google and check the references and
                      > respond.  In "all"
                      > cases
                      > they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get
                      > anything so vicious or
                      > false
                      > from the left.
                      >
                      > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
                      > respective party
                      > platforms
                      > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                      >
                      > PKL
                      >
                      >
                      > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                      > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                      > >
                      > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
                      > shown to be "urban
                      > >legends".
                      > >
                      > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
                      > was not the same
                      > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
                      > debunked in a variety of
                      >
                      > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
                      > Boston Globe,
                      > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
                      > attacked a commercial
                      > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
                      > of Appeals records
                      > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
                      > man, a naturalized
                      > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
                      > arrested in that
                      > >attack."
                      > >
                      > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
                      > install a home
                      > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
                      > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                      >
                      > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
                      > Russians in Afganistan
                      > >during the Regan years.
                      > >
                      > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
                      > of these stories at
                      >
                      > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                      > >
                      > >Peter Sefton
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >-----Original Message-----
                      > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                      > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                      > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                      > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                      > >
                      > >Greetings,
                      > >
                      > >The attached message was received from a friend via
                      > e-mail. I am
                      > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                      > >
                      > >Malcolm Horton
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
                      > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
                      > >http://fjgrr.org
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                      > Lost Landmark Page
                      > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org
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                    • stevefjg30
                      NOPE I DONT THINK THE GOOD LORD HIMSELF COULD REBUILD WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY.NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERMENT YOU WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP THATS WHAT I WATCH
                      Message 10 of 19 , Aug 8, 2004
                        NOPE I DONT THINK THE GOOD LORD HIMSELF COULD REBUILD WHAT WE SAW
                        YESTERDAY.NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERMENT YOU WILL PUT ME TO
                        SLEEP THATS WHAT I WATCH WHEN I CANT SLEEP WORKS EVERYTIME MSNBC
                        FOXNEWS ALL OF THEM BORING CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        STEVE L

                        PS ALL POLITICIANS ARE
                        CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                        --- In
                        FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com, "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@q...>
                        wrote:
                        > Yes, are George W. Bush and John Kerry going to rebuild the FJ&G?
                        > I'll steer it back in that direction!
                        >
                        > Gino
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Gerald Snyder [mailto:handyman756@y...]
                        > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:09 PM
                        > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        >
                        >
                        > Amen. (Just to put my 2 right wing cents in.)
                        > But, everyone, I think we're getting pretty far off
                        > the group topic here with this political discussion.
                        > Jerry
                        > --- "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@q...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > Everything forwarded on the web is always false,
                        > > most always Urban
                        > > Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded
                        > > and slams the
                        > > Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a
                        > > president!!!!
                        > > If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire
                        > > wife)get into the
                        > > White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked
                        > > up! You yellow-
                        > > Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all
                        > > you want, but all
                        > > The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare
                        > > scum-bags!
                        > > Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the
                        > > rich and blah, blah,
                        > > Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall
                        > > into? And he talks
                        > > Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has
                        > > Heinz sent over
                        > > Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
                        > >
                        > > There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know,
                        > > it was my turn
                        > > To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist)
                        > > politicians.
                        > > This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most
                        > > Democrats I know are hard
                        > > Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary
                        > > Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                        > > Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and
                        > > good middle class
                        > > Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat
                        > > welfare scammers...
                        > >
                        > > Gino
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@h...]
                        > > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                        > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from
                        > > a"railroad" friend
                        > > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows
                        > > about the "FJ&G too)
                        > > who
                        > > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of
                        > > the neo-con sites)
                        > > I
                        > > usually go to google and check the references and
                        > > respond. In "all"
                        > > cases
                        > > they are bunk. The irony is that I never get
                        > > anything so vicious or
                        > > false
                        > > from the left.
                        > >
                        > > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the
                        > > respective party
                        > > platforms
                        > > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                        > >
                        > > PKL
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@c...>
                        > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                        > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                        > > >
                        > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been
                        > > shown to be "urban
                        > > >legends".
                        > > >
                        > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel
                        > > was not the same
                        > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been
                        > > debunked in a variety of
                        > >
                        > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The
                        > > Boston Globe,
                        > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had
                        > > attacked a commercial
                        > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court
                        > > of Appeals records
                        > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another
                        > > man, a naturalized
                        > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was
                        > > arrested in that
                        > > >attack."
                        > > >
                        > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to
                        > > install a home
                        > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin
                        > > Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                        > >
                        > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the
                        > > Russians in Afganistan
                        > > >during the Regan years.
                        > > >
                        > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination
                        > > of these stories at
                        > >
                        > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                        > > >
                        > > >Peter Sefton
                        > > >
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                        > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@m...]
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                      • Gino DiCarlo
                        Nothing funnier than when you re not trying to insult people! I like it better when you just let loose and don t care who you offend! Just like the time you
                        Message 11 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                          Nothing funnier than when you're not trying to insult people! I like
                          it better when you just
                          let loose and don't care who you offend! Just like the time you
                          refered to Faust's Art
                          Park at the Sacandaga Station as the "Junk Yard!"

                          Gino

                          On Aug 8, 2004, at 9:58 AM, paul larner wrote:

                          > Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
                          > (there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                          > too) who
                          > made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                          > sites)  I
                          > usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
                          > cases
                          > they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                          > false
                          > from the left.
                          >
                          > Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                          > platforms
                          > falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                          >
                          > PKL
                          >
                          >
                          > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                          > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                          > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                          > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                          > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                          > >
                          > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                          > >legends".
                          > >
                          > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                          > person
                          > >as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of news
                          > >reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                          > >
                          > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                          > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                          > bus
                          > >in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
                          > show
                          > >that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized US
                          > >citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                          > >attack."
                          > >
                          > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                          > security
                          > >system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin Ladden
                          > >was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan during
                          > the
                          > >Regan years.
                          > >
                          > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
                          > at
                          > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                          > >
                          > >Peter Sefton
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >-----Original Message-----
                          > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                          > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                          > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                          > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                          > >
                          > >Greetings,
                          > >
                          > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                          > passing
                          > >it on to you as "things to think about".
                          > >
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                          > >
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                        • paul larner
                          Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US. Do read the
                          Message 12 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                            Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                            overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

                            Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.
                            Couple of good opinion pieces there.

                            An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports it.
                            Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators use
                            the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest on
                            the outcome, either way.

                            Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell
                            Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read; can't
                            beat the facts.

                            Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that infiltrated
                            the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

                            PKL

                            PKL

                            >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                            >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                            >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                            >
                            >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                            >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                            >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!!
                            >If and when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the
                            >White House get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow-
                            >Bellied Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all
                            >The Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags!
                            >Kerry keeps talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah,
                            >Blah. What category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks
                            >Bout jobs being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over
                            >Seas lately? Hypocrite!!!!
                            >
                            >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn
                            >To say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians.
                            >This is no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard
                            >Worker who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk)
                            >Kennedy and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                            >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                            >
                            >Gino
                            >
                            >-----Original Message-----
                            >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                            >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                            >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            >
                            >
                            >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend
                            >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                            >who
                            >made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con sites)
                            >I
                            >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                            >cases
                            >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                            >false
                            >from the left.
                            >
                            >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                            >platforms
                            >falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                            >
                            >PKL
                            >
                            >
                            > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                            > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                            > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                            > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                            > >
                            > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                            > >legends".
                            > >
                            > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                            > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety of
                            >
                            > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                            > >
                            > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                            > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                            > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records
                            > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized
                            > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                            > >attack."
                            > >
                            > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                            > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama Bin
                            >
                            > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                            > >during the Regan years.
                            > >
                            > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories at
                            >
                            > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                            > >
                            > >Peter Sefton
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >-----Original Message-----
                            > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                            > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                            > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                            > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                            > >
                            > >Greetings,
                            > >
                            > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                            > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                            > >
                            > >Malcolm Horton
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >Visit Gino's Railpage at
                            > >http://www.ginosrailpage.com
                            > >http://fjgrr.org
                            > >Visit The Greater Capital District Railfan Assocation at
                            > >http://gcdranet.homelinux.com/ Visit Pete Seftons Lost Landmark Page
                            > >http://www.lostlandmarks.org
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                          • Dicarlo, Gino
                            Al Franken is a jerk who doesn t want to hear anyone s opinion But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times Union is a LIBERAL news paper!
                            Message 13 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                              Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                              But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times
                              Union is a LIBERAL news paper! They've got Liberal jerks like
                              Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!

                              Gino

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                              Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                              To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about


                              Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                              overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.

                              Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August 8.

                              Couple of good opinion pieces there.

                              An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                              it.
                              Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                              use
                              the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men invest
                              on
                              the outcome, either way.

                              Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                              Tell
                              Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read;
                              can't
                              beat the facts.

                              Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                              infiltrated
                              the Al Quaida in Pakistan.

                              PKL

                              PKL

                              >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                              >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                              >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                              >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                              >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                              >
                              >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                              >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                              >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If and

                              >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White House

                              >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
                              >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                              >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry keeps

                              >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. What

                              >category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
                              >being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas lately?
                              >Hypocrite!!!!
                              >
                              >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                              >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This is
                              >no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                              >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                              >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                              >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                              >
                              >Gino
                              >
                              >-----Original Message-----
                              >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                              >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                              >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                              >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                              >
                              >
                              >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad" friend

                              >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G too)
                              >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                              >sites) I
                              >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
                              >cases
                              >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                              >false
                              >from the left.
                              >
                              >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                              >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                              >
                              >PKL
                              >
                              >
                              > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                              > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                              > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                              > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                              > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                              > >
                              > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                              > >legends".
                              > >
                              > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                              > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a variety
                              > >of
                              >
                              > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                              > >
                              > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                              > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a commercial
                              > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals records

                              > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a naturalized

                              > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                              > >attack."
                              > >
                              > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                              > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                              > >Bin
                              >
                              > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                              > >during the Regan years.
                              > >
                              > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these stories
                              > >at
                              >
                              > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                              > >
                              > >Peter Sefton
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
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                              > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
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                            • Richard Finn
                              Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights answer to the Lefts Molly Ivins. And her facts are more accurate than Ivin s, Franken s and Moore s. All that
                              Message 14 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                                Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
                                And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
                                All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
                                the political process and turning people off.

                                Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
                                facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
                                blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
                                friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
                                offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
                                Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.

                                Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
                                psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
                                that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
                                society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
                                with their views of religion and society.

                                There, now I got my 2 cents in too.

                                Dick

                                "Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"

                                On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:

                                > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                                > But his own!!!  Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!  The Times
                                > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!  They've got Liberal jerks like
                                > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
                                >
                                > Gino
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                                > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                                > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                >
                                >
                                > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                                > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
                                >
                                > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
                                > 8.
                                >
                                > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
                                >
                                > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                                > it. 
                                > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                                > use
                                > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
                                > invest
                                > on
                                > the outcome, either way.
                                >
                                > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                                > Tell
                                > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.  So far it is a good read;
                                > can't
                                > beat the facts.
                                >
                                > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                                > infiltrated
                                > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
                                >
                                > PKL
                                >
                                > PKL
                                >
                                > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                                > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                                > >
                                > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                                > >Legend!!!  But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                                > >Ding-Bat Democrats.  Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
                                > and
                                >
                                > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                                > House
                                >
                                > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!  You yellow- Bellied
                                > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                                > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
                                > keeps
                                >
                                > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah. 
                                > What
                                >
                                > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?  And he talks Bout jobs
                                > >being sent over seas.  How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
                                > lately? 
                                > >Hypocrite!!!!
                                > >
                                > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                                > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
                                > is
                                > >no slam on Democratic voters.  Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                                > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                                > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                                > >Hard-workers!  No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                                > >
                                > >Gino
                                > >
                                > >-----Original Message-----
                                > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                                > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                                > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >Good, Pete.  I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
                                > friend
                                >
                                > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                                > too)
                                > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                                > >sites) I
                                > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.  In "all"
                                > >cases
                                > >they are bunk.  The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                                > >false
                                > >from the left.
                                > >
                                > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                                > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                                > >
                                > >PKL
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                                > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                                > > >
                                > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                                > > >legends".
                                > > >
                                > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                                > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
                                > variety
                                > > >of
                                > >
                                > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                                > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
                                > commercial
                                > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
                                > records
                                >
                                > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
                                > naturalized
                                >
                                > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                                > > >attack."
                                > > >
                                > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                                > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                                > > >Bin
                                > >
                                > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                                > > >during the Regan years.
                                > > >
                                > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
                                > stories
                                > > >at
                                > >
                                > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                                > > >
                                > > >Peter Sefton
                                > > >
                                > > >
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                                > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                                > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
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                              • paul larner
                                Dick, In the first part of Franken s book, the part I ve gotten to, he dismembers Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
                                Message 15 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                                  Dick,

                                  In the first part of Franken's book, the part I've gotten to, he dismembers
                                  Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
                                  distortion not a lie? If I ever get off this machine, I'll be reading some
                                  more of that liberal dribble.

                                  On the subject of liberals and their inablility to see evil, you are on to
                                  something there. Three other books on my bedstand this month are William
                                  Blake's poem "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell," Freud's "Civilization and
                                  Its Discontents" and Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil." Those little books
                                  are next. They deal with this subject. What got me onto those tidbits was
                                  a comment I heard about Jim Morrison's Band name "The Doors" coming from
                                  Blakes poetry. Now there was a conflict of goodand evil.

                                  Your last paragraph about those who want to "kill all those who don't agree
                                  with their views of religion and society" really is unsettling for its
                                  truth. Fundamentalists of whatever ilk see things the same way, their way
                                  or no way, and I believe we have many on this side of the pond who cloak
                                  themselves as patriots while preaching a fundamental christianity. They
                                  bomb abortion clinics (Eric Rudolph and his co-conspirators), government
                                  buildings (Oklahoma City), drag black men behind their trucks and tie gays
                                  to fence posts. Among their ranks are the Jew baiters and the kind of
                                  people who locally painted anti black epithets on their neighbor's car and
                                  home. If you're different, you don't belong. We are not beyond this yet.
                                  We shouldn't need anti hate laws in this country.

                                  The popes fought the holy wars,and the French clerics during the
                                  pre-revolutionary war years were the instigators of most of the hardship
                                  between the French and English settlers. They conspired with France and the
                                  Indians to send the pagans (English) to hell. Obviously the Pope had an
                                  interest in seeing France succeed over Protestant England. They disagreed
                                  fundamentally. And anglos still fight over religion in Ireland (not so long
                                  ago in Quebec), rather than simply economics.

                                  Intolerance is deep in our cultural roots, it is an element of who we are as
                                  Americans.

                                  George Carlin rhetorically asked in one of his bits, how much kinder and
                                  gentler would the world have been if there never were religion? (Not a quote
                                  but a synopsis). I don't know. My faith, at least the way I learned it,
                                  taught me to respect and also endeavored to have me understand other points
                                  of view. Admittedly this all came in college, and a Catholic one at that.

                                  Just for the record as I'm re-reading this. I oppose abortion at any time;
                                  but I won't get between you and your conscience. Re: Carlin, I do not
                                  subscribe to his thinking in all cases, but his views do offer food for
                                  thought. Most often his thoughts are expressed too crudely for my taste,
                                  perhaps it's to get my attention.

                                  The merits of whether the FJ&G could or would be rebuilt as a going concern
                                  may be moot. In my opinion the FJ&G exemplifies the purest application of
                                  capitalism. In 1932 the Republican Hoover Administration said no to a
                                  financial bail out. So the company reorganized and lasted until the money
                                  and interest died in 1973. In resurrection the Democratic state government
                                  played a major part in funding its ability to operate; it lasted only ten
                                  years. Should the government have carried it further than they did and put
                                  up more money for a dead horse or were the Republicans right in 1932 by
                                  staying out of it? There that's something said about the FJ&G.

                                  PKL



                                  >From: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
                                  >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                  >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                  >CC: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
                                  >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                  >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0400
                                  >
                                  >Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
                                  >And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
                                  >All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
                                  >the political process and turning people off.
                                  >
                                  >Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
                                  >facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
                                  >blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
                                  >friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
                                  >offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
                                  >Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.
                                  >
                                  >Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
                                  >psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
                                  >that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
                                  >society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
                                  >with their views of religion and society.
                                  >
                                  >There, now I got my 2 cents in too.
                                  >
                                  >Dick
                                  >
                                  >"Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"
                                  >
                                  >On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
                                  > > But his own!!!� Just like big fat Michael Moore!!!� The Times
                                  > > Union is a LIBERAL news paper!� They've got Liberal jerks like
                                  > > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
                                  > >
                                  > > Gino
                                  > >
                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                                  > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
                                  > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
                                  > > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
                                  > >
                                  > > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
                                  > > 8.
                                  > >
                                  > > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
                                  > >
                                  > > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
                                  > > it.�
                                  > > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
                                  > > use
                                  > > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
                                  > > invest
                                  > > on
                                  > > the outcome, either way.
                                  > >
                                  > > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
                                  > > Tell
                                  > > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart.� So far it is a good read;
                                  > > can't
                                  > > beat the facts.
                                  > >
                                  > > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
                                  > > infiltrated
                                  > > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
                                  > >
                                  > > PKL
                                  > >
                                  > > PKL
                                  > >
                                  > > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
                                  > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                  > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
                                  > > >Legend!!!� But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
                                  > > >Ding-Bat Democrats.� Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
                                  > > and
                                  > >
                                  > > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
                                  > > House
                                  > >
                                  > > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up!� You yellow- Bellied
                                  > > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
                                  > > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
                                  > > keeps
                                  > >
                                  > > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah.�
                                  > > What
                                  > >
                                  > > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into?� And he talks Bout jobs
                                  > > >being sent over seas.� How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
                                  > > lately?�
                                  > > >Hypocrite!!!!
                                  > > >
                                  > > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
                                  > > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
                                  > > is
                                  > > >no slam on Democratic voters.� Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
                                  > > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
                                  > > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
                                  > > >Hard-workers!� No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Gino
                                  > > >
                                  > > >-----Original Message-----
                                  > > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
                                  > > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
                                  > > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Good, Pete.� I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
                                  > > friend
                                  > >
                                  > > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
                                  > > too)
                                  > > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
                                  > > >sites) I
                                  > > >usually go to google and check the references and respond.� In "all"
                                  > > >cases
                                  > > >they are bunk.� The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
                                  > > >false
                                  > > >from the left.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
                                  > > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >PKL
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
                                  > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                  > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
                                  > > > >legends".
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
                                  > > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
                                  > > variety
                                  > > > >of
                                  > > >
                                  > > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
                                  > > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
                                  > > commercial
                                  > > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
                                  > > records
                                  > >
                                  > > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
                                  > > naturalized
                                  > >
                                  > > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
                                  > > > >attack."
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
                                  > > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
                                  > > > >Bin
                                  > > >
                                  > > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
                                  > > > >during the Regan years.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
                                  > > stories
                                  > > > >at
                                  > > >
                                  > > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >Peter Sefton
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >-----Original Message-----
                                  > > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
                                  > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
                                  > > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
                                  > > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >Greetings,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
                                  > > > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
                                  > > > >
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                                  > > > >
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                                • Walt Danylak
                                  Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into the ground. I m not a
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Aug 9, 2004
                                    Between Bush and Kerry, I think none of the above is the best choice
                                    for president. The only thing Bush has done is run the economy into
                                    the ground. I'm not a big Kerry fan, but I sure don't want to see
                                    Bush for 4 more years. Say what you want about Clinton, at least we
                                    had a strong economy while he was president. Like the bumper sticker
                                    I saw a few weeks ago: Like father, like son, 4 years and out.

                                    Walt
                                  • oleroadslug
                                    Hello Gino and friends- I ve been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Aug 11, 2004
                                      Hello Gino and friends-

                                      I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                                      all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                                      little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                                      this:

                                      3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                                      in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                                      1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                                      hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                                      made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                                      our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                                      robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                                      layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                                      employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                                      go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.

                                      My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                                      seen recently.

                                      So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                                      week or so ago:

                                      Kerry & Edwards
                                      So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns


                                      With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....

                                      Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                                      the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$

                                      Bob Schoneman
                                    • Paul Charland
                                      Hi All, Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just another Blame Canada letter I really think I need to open my trap. I live in
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Aug 12, 2004
                                        Hi All,

                                        Hate to get involved with this but after reading what appears to be just
                                        another "Blame Canada" letter I really think I need to open my trap.

                                        I live in a city of 20,000 right across the St. Lawrence River form New
                                        York State. Since the Free Trade deal was signed back in the '80s we
                                        watched most of our employers being bought up by their American
                                        competitors, only to be closed weeks later. Philips Cables was closed
                                        by a company in Chicago, 550 jobs lost. Microtel was bought by GE and
                                        the contracts they held were diverted to GE Chicago, leaving our plant
                                        to complete the contract they were working on and then the plant was
                                        closed, all 800 workers were terminated. Black and Decker Canada
                                        employed 1200 people, 25 in the R&D department are left, the rest of the
                                        work went to Baltimore, Mexico, and Brazil.

                                        This is common across Canada, Marathon Ontario was a pulp and paper
                                        town, if you weren't employed by the mill, you worked in some sort of
                                        service or store that was dependent on the mill's employees. An
                                        American company in Wisconsin bought the mill, along with it's timber
                                        rights, closed the mill but kept the loggers so they can strip our
                                        forests and float them over Lake Superior to the mill in Wisconsin.
                                        McCain Foods might have bought your food plant but at least they didn't
                                        buy it to close it.

                                        If CN bought IC so what, there was no railroad in United Stated
                                        interested in partnering with them. Should we all bitch that Rail
                                        America keeps buying every branchline that comes up for abandonment in
                                        Canada?

                                        Just my thoughts, we will return to regular programming now!

                                        Paul :-)

                                        oleroadslug wrote:
                                        > Hello Gino and friends-
                                        >
                                        > I've been off list for a while , so I hope things are well with you
                                        > all and the forage into Fulton County is fruitful. Seems we got a
                                        > little politics going. I won't take up space on this list other than
                                        > this:
                                        >
                                        > 3 years ago the company I work for was the #1 food appitizer company
                                        > in the world; with many strongpoints in it's POPPER/ANCHOR brands.
                                        > 1.5 yrs. ago it was sold to our nearest competitor in a somewhat
                                        > hostle ( cheaper to buyem that beat em situation ) takeover that
                                        > made our owners and Sr. mgmnt multi,multi millionares. Since then
                                        > our core of 1500 employees has been terminated down to 700, with
                                        > robotics and other cost savings; which continue to this day. More
                                        > layoffs expected. I'm 10 yrs into this company, with a high end
                                        > employee base of 13 yrs, of which there are few. I expect to be let
                                        > go by the new year, in the name of profits and efficiencies.
                                        >
                                        > My parent companies are Heinz and McCain Foods. Just sick what I've
                                        > seen recently.
                                        >
                                        > So for you Gino, a idea for a bumper sticker that was sent to me a
                                        > week or so ago:
                                        >
                                        > Kerry & Edwards
                                        > So much bullshit between the two you NEED two Johns
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > With that I say my next employer could be Quad Graphics....
                                        >
                                        > Who currently, along with CN/IC have their private varnish trains at
                                        > the PGA Tour this week. $$$$$$$$$$$$
                                        >
                                        > Bob Schoneman
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