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7715Re: [FJGRailroad] Adams & Westlake, A&W Co., Adlake

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  • Knixrule1@juno.com
    Jul 1, 2002
      Thanks Paul, for taking the time to answer.


      steve

      .
      On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:54:16 -0400 "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      writes:
      > I may have to stand corrected on this:
      >
      > My recollection is that the term New York Central Lines was the
      > designation
      > used to define the railroads independently operated but controlled
      > through
      > stock ownership by the New York Central Railroad Company, viz,
      > Michigan
      > Central; Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis; and the
      > Pittsburgh
      > and Lake Erie (each of these companies had interests in other
      > railroads
      > too). Together the "Railroad" and the "Lines" form the New York
      > Central
      > System. After the twenties, the legal and financial relationship
      > between
      > the lines and the railroad matured through consolidations and leases
      > but the
      > leased lines, largely those west of Buffalo, would remain the NYC
      > Lines.
      >
      > Ultimately all the roads coalesced (merged and consolidated) as the
      > New York
      > Central System. The process was gradual covering the better part of
      > the
      > fifty years following the formation of the NYCRR in 1914 (the
      > original NYCRR
      > disappeared with its consolidation with the HRRR in 1869).
      >
      > Now most of these western leased lines had lanterns, locks and keys
      > marked
      > with their independent initials and the markings NYCL used on
      > lanterns, keys
      > and locks apparently did not apply to them while they maintained
      > their
      > independent operations. So did the Boston and Albany.
      >
      > My guess is the initials were used on material supplied for NYC
      > properties
      > not using their corporate names, other than the NYCRR proper, until
      > the term
      > New York Central System became used by all the properties. I have
      > owned
      > lamps and keys marked NYCL but have none today to check out the
      > stamping
      > dates. All were acquired in the Mohawk Valley If someone reading
      > this has
      > a NYCL Dietz Vesta lantern they can let us know the stamping date on
      > the lid
      > (S mo-yr) below the patent dates. Also under the keyhole cover or on
      > the
      > pin of Adlake locks can be found dates which can help you secure a
      > time
      > frame for use of those initials.
      >
      > Re the cut of the key. You can check with Key, Lock and Lantern
      > (they have
      > a web site) to see if it matches any of the known cuts for one of
      > the NYC
      > companies. Someone from that group would also be able to tell you
      > for what
      > the cut was used (rip track, switch etc.).
      >
      > As an asisde the Pennsylvania Railroad maintained a separate
      > corporate form
      > for its lines west of Pittsburgh - PRR was used for lines east of
      > Pittsburgh; Pennsylvania Lines for those west.
      >
      > PKL
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >From: Knixrule1@...
      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Adams & Westlake, A&W Co., Adlake
      > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:42:55 -0400
      > >
      > >
      > > For the key experts out there, I have a NYCL brass switch
      > key, did
      > >it go to a different department? It is not the same cut as my
      > brass NYC
      > >key that I used to use on all the switches at sandbank.
      > >
      > > Does anyone have a brief history of Adlake and the time
      > periods that
      > >they changed their name? My NYCRR key reads A&W Company Chicago,
      > while
      > >all the others read ADLAKE?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Steve Myers
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >.
      > >
      > >
      > >.
      > >
      > >.
      > >.
      > >.
      > >
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