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13313RE: [FJGRailroad] Fwd: Schenectady, NY - Gloversville Car & State St. Postcard - eBay (item 25024153

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  • Paul Larner
    May 2, 2008

      The FJ&G chose Wagner Brown as their standard color in July of 1898.  Prior to that it was crimson.  Do you suppose this reflected the NYC influence on the management and on the board of directors?  What color were the NYC passenger cars? 

      Their is a report in one of the papers describing the repainting of the 205 -209 series trolleys from the yellow in which they arrived to the company's standard color.  They called it dark green.  So there it is; perception IS everything.  I would hazard a guess that the roofs on steam equipment have been that red paint over whatever material they coated them with for a very long time.  Studying the photographs, by eye, they all appear to be a lighter color than the sides ( that may simply be a matter of the surface texture and how the light is reflected to the black and white camera.  I can't recall ever hearing or seeing that the trucks were silver; in 1950 they were painted the same color as the roofs.

      You can find several postcards of steam trains at Gloversville depot, Northville depot and coming up the hill from Northville toward the park, where the coaches are depicted as brown.

      There is a nice photo from Bob's Photos taken in 1954 which shows what appears to be a refreshed combine 21 above the station.  Red roof, red steps, all metal appurtenances black, sash the same as the body which is .. is it a brown or an olive?  In another of Bpb's photos taken in 1959 from near the end of Second Street in Gloversville, looking toward the freight house and the depot you can detect that Hershey coloring, against the green weeds. 

      When they arrived (1922) the M-55's were Wagner brown with black roofs.  When the 340 went into service (1938) it was Wagner brown with a "red" roof.  Perhaps that can narrow the change in the roof coloring.

      That's more than enough trivia for tonight.


      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      From: p.charlie@...
      Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:34:02 -0400
      Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Fwd: Schenectady, NY - Gloversville Car & State St. Postcard - eBay (item 25024153

      Hi Paul,

      As you say, the few color shots of the combine appear to be a green and
      not brown. The roof and trucks appear to be a red, or maybe a fading
      red over silver, is this so or what were the actual colors of the roof
      and trucks?

      Paul :-)

      Paul Larner wrote:
      > Yes, they came Wagner Brown with gold leaf trimmings and remained
      > that way until painted in the traction orange scheme. That was the
      > standard color for all the FJ&G passenger equipment. Crimson was
      > standard before the Wagner Brown. Allegedly the combines were brown
      > not olive green. In some color photos they sure appear to be
      > greenish but I suspect, based on what I've heard, that is a weathered
      > Wagner brown. The green tint could also be a result of the varnish
      > applied over the paint.
      > PKL

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