12080Re: [FJGRailroad] Mail, Express and No. 340
- Sep 8, 2006Paul, I suspect at the time permission was received to acquire a car that
they may have had a new car in mind; note also the reference to two engines,
etc. Definitely not the car they eventually purchased. It is interesting
to note that when the FJ&G came out of receivership the diesels and busses
were acquired for cash.
You are correct that the trucks were painted in the orange, cream and black
FJ&G color scheme.
>From: Paul Charland <p.charlie@...>
>Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Mail, Express and No. 340
>Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:22:19 -0400
>Thanks for the time line on the mail and express business, must have
>been express business being exchanged in the photo I saw years ago.
>Does anyone have a shot of one of these highway trucks? The shot was
>black and white and appeared to be an orange carbody with a cream
>rectangle outlined with a black pin stripe and had black lettering...
>FONDA JOHNSTOWN AND GLOVERSVILLE
> MAIL - EXPRESS - FREIGHT
>...sort of thing.
>One interesting thing that appeared in the description of 340 was the
>claim the car was being built by American Car and Foundry Company. The
>car was actually a Brill car built in St. Louis, MO. There may have
>been a chance the carbody was subcontracted and built by AC&F, but it's
>an 'off the shelf' Brill car that was bought by several other railroads
>as well... see this Northeast Railfan page to see the 340 and several
>other examples of the Brill gas-electrics:
>paul larner wrote:
> > Evening Paul,
> > I started a quick reply with indefinites then decided to do some
> > supply dates. The following information is from annual reports, ETT and
> > newspapers.
> > The FJ&G railroad started trucking the mail when the line to Northville
> > out March 1930. That would be to all stations north of Gloversville.
> > the top of my head I think the Broadalbin mail was delivered from
> > From the employee timetables it appears that trucks operating between
> > Fonda and Gloversville were handling the mail at the demise of the
> > service. The ETT's indicate more daily truck trips between Gloversville
> > Fonda than gas car; also the gas car didn't run on Sundays and holidays.
> > Every indication I find is that the gas car carried mail, well
> > by truck service. The use of the gas car seems to have been primarily
> > Railway Express. Follows is the newspaper report of the authorization
> > buy the gas car:
> > 061638 "New Gas-Electric Car to Carry Baggage Over FJG Steam Line �
> > Authorization for the purchase of a gasoline-electric car for the
> > transportation of mail, express and baggage over the steam line as a
> > substitute for similar service now carried over the electric division
> > between Fonda and Gloversville was granted to the F., J. & G. Railroad
> > Federal Court at Syracuse yesterday.
> > "J. Ledlie Hees, trustee of the railroad, said that the new car will be
> > placed in service shortly after July 1 and will operate over the tracks
> > the steam division. Application for authority to make the purchase was
> > filed with Federal Judge Frederick Bryant by Wes H. Maider, attorney for
> > railroad.
> > "The car is 73 feet long and weighs approximately fifty tons, being
> > by two 150 horsepower gasoline engines to generate its own electric
> > It may be operated from either end and provides 55 feet of space for
> > carrying mail and baggage.
> > "It also is capable of drawing regulation railway equipment behind it
> > case of necessity. It is manufactured by the American Car and Foundry
> > Company."
> > The next couple quotes indicate by 1948 the car was considered an
> > car, not mail.
> > 092848 #9 is out on the express run while #340 is in for overhaul.
> > #9 will be out for a week or so. 21 and 20 are both out. Last week #20
> > in the shop. #9 didn�t make the night express run; #21 and the baggage
> > made the trip.
> > 101848 #340 Express car was out today for the first in about three weeks
> > is gainly decked out in the company�s standard colors of orange, yellow,
> > a black trim. Her motor sounds as if the overhaul did some good.
> > 102548 #21 took a railway express car as well as combine #22 down on
> > run in place of #340. What is wrong with the 340 is not yet known.
> > Reading through the news accounts I doubt the mail was carried on the
> > car; it s service was not dependable enough for the US Mail.
> > Dates of interest:
> > 1958 - trucks substituted for gas car for Ry. Express (assume that all
> > was by truck at this date?);
> > 7/18/1960 Ry. Express stops using the railroad, substituting their own
> > trucks;
> > between 4/1/1964 and 4/24/1968 REA used the railroad truck to handle
> > business.
> > The FJ&G lost the mail contract September 11, 1964.
> > Effective October 1, 1964, LCL was no longer handled through the
> > freight house. This latter coincided with the NYC giving up LCL
> > over Fonda.
> > PKL
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