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  • tmason1
    Venita, I m really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank. Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a blocked condition is
    Message 1 of 14 , Aug 1 5:59 AM
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      Venita,

      I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.

      Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked" condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They don't even see how their policies are constricting.

      The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.

      One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family History department.

      I think we still have that need and for the same reason.

      Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from others who have or are experiencing the same problems.

      Terry Mason

      --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@...> wrote:
      >
      > Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List." Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about creating a list.
      >
      > Venita
      >
      > On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Bill Buchanan wrote:
      >
      > > Frank,
      > >
      > > Most non-LDS sites are blocked by the secure wireless network in our chapel.
      > > This includes many of the free family history web sites. Moving a discussion
      > > group to a different server may not solve that problem.
      > > Perhaps a stake technology specialist can change the settings on the
      > > network.
      > >
      > > Bill Buchanan
      > >
      > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid <freid00@...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This site is
      > > > great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden Regional
      > > > FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help them with
      > > > their research and using the software they have.
      > > > The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the Yahoo Groups it
      > > > is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family History
      > > > Library through the controls they have on the server here. And it's a good
      > > > thing -- we have heard rumors that the reason this was done is because Yahoo
      > > > Groups has become so trashy with pornography and other unwanted (by us)
      > > > sites that the Church just blocked it all. This is from the FHC's only, you
      > > > can still access it all from home.
      > > >
      > > > It's a shame, really, because there are so many good things here, also. I
      > > > personally belong to 15 groups, mostly that supports genealogy software of
      > > > various kinds, but also the most popular site for Family History Consultants
      > > > and FHC directors is the FHCNET group. As is all the Ancestral Quest sites,
      > > > and those for RootsMagic, Legacy, DEADFREDdotCOM, Family Insight and others.
      > > > All blocked. What a shame.
      > > >
      > > > We probably can't get the Church officials to change their policies but we
      > > > can do something else. I'm suggesting that the entire group be moved to a
      > > > different host location. The easiest one that comes to mind is Google. They
      > > > have Google Groups and this could be set up there quite easily. But there
      > > > are others, too. Then, just leave a farewell message here and tell where we
      > > > have gone to.
      > > > Just my opinion,but I think we need to have access, from the FHCs, to these
      > > > kind of resources that are still reasonably clean and therefore not blocked.
      > > >
      > > > Any Ideas?
      > > > Frank Reid
    • Tim Steinberger
      Terry Only one comment. Amen! Tim Steinberger, Brookings FHC ... From: tmason1 To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:59 AM Subject:
      Message 2 of 14 , Aug 2 1:11 PM
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        Terry

        Only one comment.
        Amen!

        Tim Steinberger, Brookings FHC


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: tmason1
        To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:59 AM
        Subject: [FHCNET] Re: To the Owners of this Site . . .



        Venita,

        I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.

        Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked" condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They don't even see how their policies are constricting.

        The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.

        One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family History department.

        I think we still have that need and for the same reason.

        Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from others who have or are experiencing the same problems.

        Terry Mason


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      • Venita Roylance
        I m confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a host site.
        Message 3 of 14 , Aug 3 7:06 PM
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          I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my intention!

          Venita


          On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:59 AM, tmason1 wrote:

          > Venita,
          >
          > I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.
          >
          > Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked" condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They don't even see how their policies are constricting.
          >
          > The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.
          >
          > One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family History department.
          >
          > I think we still have that need and for the same reason.
          >
          > Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from others who have or are experiencing the same problems.
          >
          > Terry Mason
          >
          > --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List." Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about creating a list.
          > >
          > > Venita
          > >
          > > On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Bill Buchanan wrote:
          > >
          > > > Frank,
          > > >
          > > > Most non-LDS sites are blocked by the secure wireless network in our chapel.
          > > > This includes many of the free family history web sites. Moving a discussion
          > > > group to a different server may not solve that problem.
          > > > Perhaps a stake technology specialist can change the settings on the
          > > > network.
          > > >
          > > > Bill Buchanan
          > > >
          > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid <freid00@...> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This site is
          > > > > great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden Regional
          > > > > FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help them with
          > > > > their research and using the software they have.
          > > > > The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the Yahoo Groups it
          > > > > is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family History
          > > > > Library through the controls they have on the server here. And it's a good
          > > > > thing -- we have heard rumors that the reason this was done is because Yahoo
          > > > > Groups has become so trashy with pornography and other unwanted (by us)
          > > > > sites that the Church just blocked it all. This is from the FHC's only, you
          > > > > can still access it all from home.
          > > > >
          > > > > It's a shame, really, because there are so many good things here, also. I
          > > > > personally belong to 15 groups, mostly that supports genealogy software of
          > > > > various kinds, but also the most popular site for Family History Consultants
          > > > > and FHC directors is the FHCNET group. As is all the Ancestral Quest sites,
          > > > > and those for RootsMagic, Legacy, DEADFREDdotCOM, Family Insight and others.
          > > > > All blocked. What a shame.
          > > > >
          > > > > We probably can't get the Church officials to change their policies but we
          > > > > can do something else. I'm suggesting that the entire group be moved to a
          > > > > different host location. The easiest one that comes to mind is Google. They
          > > > > have Google Groups and this could be set up there quite easily. But there
          > > > > are others, too. Then, just leave a farewell message here and tell where we
          > > > > have gone to.
          > > > > Just my opinion,but I think we need to have access, from the FHCs, to these
          > > > > kind of resources that are still reasonably clean and therefore not blocked.
          > > > >
          > > > > Any Ideas?
          > > > > Frank Reid
          >
          >



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        • Leslie Vaughn
          I agree that I don t want to change hosts, but I, too, wondered at the extreme response to your suggestion, Venita. I see nothing wrong with using Rootsweb as
          Message 4 of 14 , Aug 3 7:14 PM
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            I agree that I don't want to change hosts, but I, too, wondered at the
            extreme response to your suggestion, Venita. I see nothing wrong with using
            Rootsweb as a list other than the already stated reasons for not leaving
            Yahoo. I think I am missing something.

            Leslie
            --------------------------------------------------
            From: "Venita Roylance" <venitar@...>
            Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:06 PM
            To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
            Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: To the Owners of this Site . . .

            > I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides
            > Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a
            > host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my
            > intention!
            >
            > Venita
            >
            >
            > On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:59 AM, tmason1 wrote:
            >
            >> Venita,
            >>
            >> I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.
            >>
            >> Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked"
            >> condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH
            >> department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center
            >> resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to
            >> change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific
            >> about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They
            >> don't even see how their policies are constricting.
            >>
            >> The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's
            >> problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.
            >>
            >> One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to
            >> support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no
            >> forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family
            >> History department.
            >>
            >> I think we still have that need and for the same reason.
            >>
            >> Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always
            >> correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from
            >> others who have or are experiencing the same problems.
            >>
            >> Terry Mason
            >>
            >> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@...> wrote:
            >> >
            >> > Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy
            >> > research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under
            >> > the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry
            >> > to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html
            >> > The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List."
            >> > Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about
            >> > creating a list.
            >> >
            >> > Venita
            >> >
            >> > On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Bill Buchanan wrote:
            >> >
            >> > > Frank,
            >> > >
            >> > > Most non-LDS sites are blocked by the secure wireless network in our
            >> > > chapel.
            >> > > This includes many of the free family history web sites. Moving a
            >> > > discussion
            >> > > group to a different server may not solve that problem.
            >> > > Perhaps a stake technology specialist can change the settings on the
            >> > > network.
            >> > >
            >> > > Bill Buchanan
            >> > >
            >> > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid <freid00@...> wrote:
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This
            >> > > > site is
            >> > > > great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden
            >> > > > Regional
            >> > > > FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help
            >> > > > them with
            >> > > > their research and using the software they have.
            >> > > > The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the
            >> > > > Yahoo Groups it
            >> > > > is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family
            >> > > > History
            >> > > > Library through the controls they have on the server here. And it's
            >> > > > a good
            >> > > > thing -- we have heard rumors that the reason this was done is
            >> > > > because Yahoo
            >> > > > Groups has become so trashy with pornography and other unwanted (by
            >> > > > us)
            >> > > > sites that the Church just blocked it all. This is from the FHC's
            >> > > > only, you
            >> > > > can still access it all from home.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > It's a shame, really, because there are so many good things here,
            >> > > > also. I
            >> > > > personally belong to 15 groups, mostly that supports genealogy
            >> > > > software of
            >> > > > various kinds, but also the most popular site for Family History
            >> > > > Consultants
            >> > > > and FHC directors is the FHCNET group. As is all the Ancestral
            >> > > > Quest sites,
            >> > > > and those for RootsMagic, Legacy, DEADFREDdotCOM, Family Insight
            >> > > > and others.
            >> > > > All blocked. What a shame.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > We probably can't get the Church officials to change their policies
            >> > > > but we
            >> > > > can do something else. I'm suggesting that the entire group be
            >> > > > moved to a
            >> > > > different host location. The easiest one that comes to mind is
            >> > > > Google. They
            >> > > > have Google Groups and this could be set up there quite easily. But
            >> > > > there
            >> > > > are others, too. Then, just leave a farewell message here and tell
            >> > > > where we
            >> > > > have gone to.
            >> > > > Just my opinion,but I think we need to have access, from the FHCs,
            >> > > > to these
            >> > > > kind of resources that are still reasonably clean and therefore not
            >> > > > blocked.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Any Ideas?
            >> > > > Frank Reid
            >>
            >>
            >
            >
            >
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          • John Vilburn
            Given that the original suggestion that started this thread was to move the list to google groups, I think Venita s suggestion to consider Rootsweb as an
            Message 5 of 14 , Aug 3 7:41 PM
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              Given that the original suggestion that started this thread was to move the list to google groups, I think Venita's suggestion to consider Rootsweb as an alternative to google groups was reasonable. She was just offering an alternative. The alternative was no more extreme than the original suggestion.

              Maybe its time to move on to another topic.

              John

              On Aug 3, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Leslie Vaughn wrote:

              > I agree that I don't want to change hosts, but I, too, wondered at the
              > extreme response to your suggestion, Venita. I see nothing wrong with using
              > Rootsweb as a list other than the already stated reasons for not leaving
              > Yahoo. I think I am missing something.
              >
              > Leslie
              > --------------------------------------------------
              > From: "Venita Roylance" <venitar@...>
              > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:06 PM
              > To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
              > Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: To the Owners of this Site . . .
              >
              >> I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides
              >> Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a
              >> host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my
              >> intention!
              >>
              >> Venita
              >>
              >>
              >> On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:59 AM, tmason1 wrote:
              >>
              >>> Venita,
              >>>
              >>> I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.
              >>>
              >>> Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked"
              >>> condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH
              >>> department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center
              >>> resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to
              >>> change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific
              >>> about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They
              >>> don't even see how their policies are constricting.
              >>>
              >>> The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's
              >>> problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.
              >>>
              >>> One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to
              >>> support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no
              >>> forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family
              >>> History department.
              >>>
              >>> I think we still have that need and for the same reason.
              >>>
              >>> Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always
              >>> correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from
              >>> others who have or are experiencing the same problems.
              >>>
              >>> Terry Mason
              >>>
              >>> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@...> wrote:
              >>>>
              >>>> Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy
              >>>> research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under
              >>>> the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry
              >>>> to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html
              >>>> The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List."
              >>>> Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about
              >>>> creating a list.
              >>>>
              >>>> Venita
              >>>>
              >>>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Bill Buchanan wrote:
              >>>>
              >>>>> Frank,
              >>>>>
              >>>>> Most non-LDS sites are blocked by the secure wireless network in our
              >>>>> chapel.
              >>>>> This includes many of the free family history web sites. Moving a
              >>>>> discussion
              >>>>> group to a different server may not solve that problem.
              >>>>> Perhaps a stake technology specialist can change the settings on the
              >>>>> network.
              >>>>>
              >>>>> Bill Buchanan
              >>>>>
              >>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid <freid00@...> wrote:
              >>>>>>
              >>>>>> Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This
              >>>>>> site is
              >>>>>> great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden
              >>>>>> Regional
              >>>>>> FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help
              >>>>>> them with
              >>>>>> their research and using the software they have.
              >>>>>> The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the
              >>>>>> Yahoo Groups it
              >>>>>> is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family
              >>>>>> History
              >>>>>> Library through the controls they have on the server here. And it's
              >>>>>> a good
              >>>>>> thing -- we have heard rumors that the reason this was done is
              >>>>>> because Yahoo
              >>>>>> Groups has become so trashy with pornography and other unwanted (by
              >>>>>> us)
              >>>>>> sites that the Church just blocked it all. This is from the FHC's
              >>>>>> only, you
              >>>>>> can still access it all from home.
              >>>>>>
              >>>>>> It's a shame, really, because there are so many good things here,
              >>>>>> also. I
              >>>>>> personally belong to 15 groups, mostly that supports genealogy
              >>>>>> software of
              >>>>>> various kinds, but also the most popular site for Family History
              >>>>>> Consultants
              >>>>>> and FHC directors is the FHCNET group. As is all the Ancestral
              >>>>>> Quest sites,
              >>>>>> and those for RootsMagic, Legacy, DEADFREDdotCOM, Family Insight
              >>>>>> and others.
              >>>>>> All blocked. What a shame.
              >>>>>>
              >>>>>> We probably can't get the Church officials to change their policies
              >>>>>> but we
              >>>>>> can do something else. I'm suggesting that the entire group be
              >>>>>> moved to a
              >>>>>> different host location. The easiest one that comes to mind is
              >>>>>> Google. They
              >>>>>> have Google Groups and this could be set up there quite easily. But
              >>>>>> there
              >>>>>> are others, too. Then, just leave a farewell message here and tell
              >>>>>> where we
              >>>>>> have gone to.
              >>>>>> Just my opinion,but I think we need to have access, from the FHCs,
              >>>>>> to these
              >>>>>> kind of resources that are still reasonably clean and therefore not
              >>>>>> blocked.
              >>>>>>
              >>>>>> Any Ideas?
              >>>>>> Frank Reid
              >>>
              >>>
              >>
              >>
              >>
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            • Fred
              Me too, that seemed an very odd response..I remember when this list was setup, and Rootsweb and Yahoo were being looked at..I would have voted for Rootsweb at
              Message 6 of 14 , Aug 3 7:48 PM
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                Me too, that seemed an very odd response..I remember when this list was
                setup, and Rootsweb and Yahoo were being looked at..I would have voted for
                Rootsweb at the time, but it wasn't put to a vote..I run dozens of Rootsweb,
                Ancestry and Yahoo groups, and a couple of Genweb sites, and a few plain ole
                web sites, and have for more than 10 years. No reason I can see for a
                heated response...

                Regards, Fred



                -----Original Message-----
                From: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FHCNET@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                Leslie Vaughn
                Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:14 PM
                To: FHCNET@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: To the Owners of this Site . . .

                I agree that I don't want to change hosts, but I, too, wondered at the
                extreme response to your suggestion, Venita. I see nothing wrong with using

                Rootsweb as a list other than the already stated reasons for not leaving
                Yahoo. I think I am missing something.

                Leslie
                --------------------------------------------------
                From: "Venita Roylance" <venitar@...>
                Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:06 PM
                To: <FHCNET@yahoogroups.com>
                Subject: Re: [FHCNET] Re: To the Owners of this Site . . .

                > I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides
                > Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a
                > host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my
                > intention!
                >
              • singhals
                At a guess, someone tagged their response onto the wrong part of the thread. Happens a lot on some lists and starts some pretty heated discussions. I agree
                Message 7 of 14 , Aug 4 7:32 AM
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                  At a guess, someone tagged their response onto the wrong part of the
                  thread. Happens a lot on some lists and starts some pretty heated
                  discussions.

                  I agree with you: /if/ Russell has to move the list off yahoo, then I'd
                  vote for RW over google-groups. If there's no need to move, there's no
                  need to move to either.

                  Cheryl

                  Venita Roylance wrote:
                  > I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my intention!
                  >
                  > Venita
                  >
                  >
                  > On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:59 AM, tmason1 wrote:
                  >
                  >> Venita,
                  >>
                  >> I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.
                  >>
                  >> Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked" condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They don't even see how their policies are constricting.
                  >>
                  >> The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.
                  >>
                  >> One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family History department.
                  >>
                  >> I think we still have that need and for the same reason.
                  >>
                  >> Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from others who have or are experiencing the same problems.
                  >>
                  >> Terry Mason
                  >>
                  >> --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance<venitar@...> wrote:
                  >>>
                  >>> Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List." Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about creating a list.
                  >>>
                  >>> Venita
                  >>>
                  >>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Bill Buchanan wrote:
                  >>>
                  >>>> Frank,
                  >>>>
                  >>>> Most non-LDS sites are blocked by the secure wireless network in our chapel.
                  >>>> This includes many of the free family history web sites. Moving a discussion
                  >>>> group to a different server may not solve that problem.
                  >>>> Perhaps a stake technology specialist can change the settings on the
                  >>>> network.
                  >>>>
                  >>>> Bill Buchanan
                  >>>>
                  >>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid<freid00@...> wrote:
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This site is
                  >>>>> great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden Regional
                  >>>>> FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help them with
                  >>>>> their research and using the software they have.
                  >>>>> The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the Yahoo Groups it
                  >>>>> is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family History
                  >>>>> Library through the controls they have on the server here. And it's a good
                  >>>>> thing -- we have heard rumors that the reason this was done is because Yahoo
                  >>>>> Groups has become so trashy with pornography and other unwanted (by us)
                  >>>>> sites that the Church just blocked it all. This is from the FHC's only, you
                  >>>>> can still access it all from home.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> It's a shame, really, because there are so many good things here, also. I
                  >>>>> personally belong to 15 groups, mostly that supports genealogy software of
                  >>>>> various kinds, but also the most popular site for Family History Consultants
                  >>>>> and FHC directors is the FHCNET group. As is all the Ancestral Quest sites,
                  >>>>> and those for RootsMagic, Legacy, DEADFREDdotCOM, Family Insight and others.
                  >>>>> All blocked. What a shame.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> We probably can't get the Church officials to change their policies but we
                  >>>>> can do something else. I'm suggesting that the entire group be moved to a
                  >>>>> different host location. The easiest one that comes to mind is Google. They
                  >>>>> have Google Groups and this could be set up there quite easily. But there
                  >>>>> are others, too. Then, just leave a farewell message here and tell where we
                  >>>>> have gone to.
                  >>>>> Just my opinion,but I think we need to have access, from the FHCs, to these
                  >>>>> kind of resources that are still reasonably clean and therefore not blocked.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Any Ideas?
                  >>>>> Frank Reid
                • tmason1
                  Venita, You are still not getting it. Frank is in a Center that has a controlling attitude. That center has filters on their system that are too restrictive.
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                    Venita, You are still not getting it. Frank is in a Center that has a controlling attitude. That center has filters on their system that are too restrictive. (Russell explained the solution already.) (Part of the cause of the attitude in the Ogden Center was the FH department was unresponsive to their needs for many years.)

                    We have a very efficient and useful location for FHCNET - a place where FH Center director may vent and voice support. We don't need to change the location for this group because one center is having problems.

                    Our center has none of the filter problems voiced by Frank. Their center has people like Frank, who have designed very good support tools. We appreciate them. We hope his center administrators fix their filters and better support their staff and patrons. (For example, there is a need in the large Ogden center to have a means to listen to the classes offered on Family Search.org. They need some computers with sound cards and to provide headsets.)

                    Frank - you said, "This is done by the Church Family History Library through the controls they have on the server here." That is an incorrect diagnosis of your problem. If other centers are using Church provided filters and they are accessing the Yahoo site, then the extreme level of controls are within your center's network only.

                    Terry

                    --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my intention!
                    >
                    > Venita
                    >
                    > On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:59 AM, tmason1 wrote:
                    > > Venita,
                    > >
                    > > I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.
                    > >
                    > > Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked" condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They don't even see how their policies are constricting.
                    > >
                    > > The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.
                    > >
                    > > One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family History department.
                    > >
                    > > I think we still have that need and for the same reason.
                    > >
                    > > Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from others who have or are experiencing the same problems.
                    > >
                    > > Terry Mason
                    > >
                    > > --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List." Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about creating a list.
                    > > >
                    > > > Venita
                    > > >
                    > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid <freid00@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This site is
                    > > > > > great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden Regional
                    > > > > > FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help them with
                    > > > > > their research and using the software they have.
                    > > > > > The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the Yahoo Groups it
                    > > > > > is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family History
                    > > > > > Library through the controls they have on the server here.
                    <snip>
                    > > > > > Frank Reid
                  • John Vilburn
                    Frank was the one who originally suggested moving FHCNET. In his original post of this thread he said ! m suggesting that the entire group be moved to a
                    Message 9 of 14 , Aug 4 12:14 PM
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                      Frank was the one who originally suggested moving FHCNET.

                      In his original post of this thread he said "!'m suggesting that the entire group be moved to a different host location. The easiest one that comes to mind is Google. They have Google Groups and this could be set up there quite easily. But there are others too."

                      Venita merely responded with an alternative to the original post. She only said that Roots web would be better than the original post's suggestion of Google groups.

                      The same original post was made to several other yahoo groups. All of the other groups that received the original post have stopped talking about it.

                      Can we PLEASE stop this thread now.

                      John

                      On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:12 AM, tmason1 wrote:

                      > Venita, You are still not getting it. Frank is in a Center that has a controlling attitude. That center has filters on their system that are too restrictive. (Russell explained the solution already.) (Part of the cause of the attitude in the Ogden Center was the FH department was unresponsive to their needs for many years.)
                      >
                      > We have a very efficient and useful location for FHCNET - a place where FH Center director may vent and voice support. We don't need to change the location for this group because one center is having problems.
                      >
                      > Our center has none of the filter problems voiced by Frank. Their center has people like Frank, who have designed very good support tools. We appreciate them. We hope his center administrators fix their filters and better support their staff and patrons. (For example, there is a need in the large Ogden center to have a means to listen to the classes offered on Family Search.org. They need some computers with sound cards and to provide headsets.)
                      >
                      > Frank - you said, "This is done by the Church Family History Library through the controls they have on the server here." That is an incorrect diagnosis of your problem. If other centers are using Church provided filters and they are accessing the Yahoo site, then the extreme level of controls are within your center's network only.
                      >
                      > Terry
                      >
                      > --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I'm confused! I was responding to the idea of having someone besides Yahoo host fhcnet, and my suggestion was to consider using RootsWeb as a host site. Sorry if someone was offended. It was certainly not my intention!
                      > >
                      > > Venita
                      > >
                      > > On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:59 AM, tmason1 wrote:
                      > > > Venita,
                      > > >
                      > > > I'm really surprised that you would suggest such a thing to Frank.
                      > > >
                      > > > Frank is in a very unique situation. What he describes as a "blocked" condition is just being experienced in his family history center. The FH department CHQ support staff are quite capable of helping that center resolve their problem, but the administrators of that center will have to change some attitudes and some software filters. I could be very specific about this but it would be butting in on someone else's stewardship. They don't even see how their policies are constricting.
                      > > >
                      > > > The reason for my surprise is because of your misdiagnosis of Frank's problem, followed by an inappropriate suggestion.
                      > > >
                      > > > One of the primary reason for this excellent discussion group is to support FHC directors. It has existed for so long because there was no forum available through official channels to communicate with the Family History department.
                      > > >
                      > > > I think we still have that need and for the same reason.
                      > > >
                      > > > Another secondary reason is that the support missionaries are not always correct, and directors need a place to get ideas and information from others who have or are experiencing the same problems.
                      > > >
                      > > > Terry Mason
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In FHCNET@yahoogroups.com, Venita Roylance <venitar@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Why not try the RootsWeb email lists? They are focused on genealogy research, and I think we would be an appropriate addition. It is under the Ancestry.com umbrella, but you don't have to subscribe to ancestry to access it. Go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html The first box on the page has a link called "Adopt or Request a List." Clicking that link will take you to a page of instructions about creating a list.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Venita
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, frankreid <freid00@> wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Here is a problem that probably needs to be addressed soon. This site is
                      > > > > > > great! And I use it often and participate here too. At the Ogden Regional
                      > > > > > > FHC we try to help our patrons find good sites like this to help them with
                      > > > > > > their research and using the software they have.
                      > > > > > > The problem is this: When we try, at the Ogden FHC, to access the Yahoo Groups it
                      > > > > > > is blocked from us using it. This is done by the Church Family History
                      > > > > > > Library through the controls they have on the server here.
                      > <snip>
                      > > > > > > Frank Reid
                      >
                      >



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