- "pimped_her_out" <torturedoutlaw@...> wrote:
> Any talk during the play of the hand is consideredThat is incorrect. "Table talk" is only speech (or
> table talk. . . .
other communication) that gives your partner guidance
in the play of the rest of the hand.
"How's the weather?" or "Ohio State is No. 1" would
not be "table talk" unless it constituted some kind
of prearranged signal.
And here are just a few examples of talk about the
very game being played -- even the very hand in play
-- that normally do not constitute "table talk":
1. "Partner, that queen of diamonds I led was good"
-- after your partner trumped your queen of diamonds,
the king and ace of diamonds having fallen on a
previous trick and the fourth player to the trick
in question having earlier shown out of trump. This
is a complaint after the fact. There is nothing your
partner can do to make up for his bonehead play, and
your remark gives your partner no guidance on the play
of the rest of the hand. It does constitute a form of
saying "PAY ATTENTION!"; but that is not "table talk"
either, just valid general advice (see No. 4 below).
2. "Funny lookin' heart!" spoken by the dealer who
picked up the jack of hearts, after his partner took
the first trick with the ace of clubs and led back
another club. This is another "after the fact"
complaint, too late to recover from the failure to
make a pre-emptive trump lead. It gives partner no
guidance for the play of the rest of the hand --
unless he takes the second trick, which is highly
unlikely (in that case, and in that case only, it's
3. "The rest are mine" when you have nothing left
in your hand but indisputable winners.
4. "Don't go alone with 8 points" after your partner's
8-point loner already has been stopped but before all
the tricks have been played. This is general advice,
with a reference to the hand being played, but without
guidance for the play of the rest of that hand. It is
always permissible for two partners to discuss strategy,
out loud or in private, before, during or after a game,
as long as the discussion does not give guidance, from
present private knowledge, on the play of the hand in
Thanks for sharing this with us. This is good stuff to know. I like to know WHAT to look for when it comes to cheating. My lunch break euchre buds had a good conversation on your topic. We as a group have also come to agree that if you notice your LHO using the "Hindu shuffle", or any other shaky lookin deal or the dealer just plain goes alone to often to demand the cards for a cut. Once in hand give the cards a good riffle shuffle before handing back to the dealer. This is perfectly legal. "Every player may shuffle the deck, but dealer last." The "Hindu shuffle" does NOT randomize the cards llike the riffle shuffle does. The "Hindu shuffle" seperates the deck in packs and keeps the cards in piles as they were previously played moreso than a riffle shuffle. I say "GOOD STUFF" and thanks again!
--- In EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com, "kmaxm2001" <kcmartin@...> wrote:
> Some players give information to their partner and don't realize
> they're cheating. I'm sure the little old lady that used to play in
> our local tournaments didn't think she was doing anything wrong when
> she would say "I'm not going to stop a loner" every time her partner
> turned up the right when dealing and she had the left guarded. Or the
> guy who was my partner one night, on my deal after looking at his
> cards, paused , sighed, looked at the ceiling, looked at his cards
> again, studied, exhaled heavily and finally passed. I picked it up
> with nothing and surprise, surprise my partner had both bowers and
> the king. Of course you have the obvious cheats. One of the most used
> signals locally is the rapping, pounding or slapping of the table
> with the hand, knuckles or fist when passing on the first round that
> signifies a void in the up-card. Whether intentional or not rarely do
> the people that run the local tournaments do anything about it.
> Usually, I don't cheat, but when I play in cash games with my regular
> partner and we feel the opponents are talking too much or using other
> signals we employ a system of our own. If I'm in first seat the word
> pass is the key word. Just saying pass signifies one trump. I pass
> signifies two. I'll pass or I will pass means three. A response such
> as by me which does not contain the word pass means a void. We use
> varying phrases to indicate a loner if it's turned down. In second
> seat pass or I pass means one or two. I will pass means three,
> although for obvious reasons that isn't used much. When I order my
> partner from second seat the number of words used indicates the
> number of trump I have. Pick it up, for example, means I have three.
> In third seat my responses indicate strength in next using the word
> pass as in first seat. Of course this doesn't work if you are only
> allowed to say pass, trump or alone. This is why I favor using the
> one-word responses, however, they are almost never used locally.
> Saying I pass seems innocent enough but it can be an indicator of
> hand strength. If you have your suspicions about some of your regular
> opponents feel free to use this system. I'm not advocating cheating
> so my first advice is to not sit down against known cheats but, if
> during the game the alarms go off sometimes you have to fight fire
> with fire.