Re: New situationist on the block
- Hi Natty,
> > To me the decision to donate isSurely you agree the likelihood of an opposing loner is greater when
> > not black-and-white but different
> > shades of gray. . . .
> The pip of the card turned has no
> virtual bearing on a "coup." The
> right bower you don't see is the one
> that will crush you. And nothing
> is easier to hide than a left bower.
a J is turned up instead of a 9. As I said, neither guarantees
anything, but the shade of gray gets a lot darker (for you) when the
turnup is a J.
> And what else does one need to know aboutWell, I spelled that out in my last post. The whole point is that I
> what is held?
do recognize a potential loner can lose the game right now. But the
likelihood of such a loner being successful certainly depends on the
cards we hold. There is a risk in passing and there is a risk in
ordering. It's not enough to look at the worst-case scenario (i.e.
we might lose right now) -- the relative risks must be weighed
against each other. Three aces in my hand, coupled with a good
chance to score myself in another suit, coupled with a low turnup
card, is enough for me to take the risk and pass.
Now I did mention that if one of my non-ace cards was of the upsuit,
I'd likely order with offensive expectations. But assuming this is
not the case, we're looking at a donation.
> > Finally, you need to look at the score. . . .Yes, and that was my point. Donating keeps you in the game, but at a
> That was given. It was 6 to 6. Bite the bullet.
significant cost. 9-6, I'll donate. But 6-6, with all the above
factors added in? Not me. I think my chances of recovering from
being down 8-6 are much worse than losing on a loner here. Again,
this is assuming I have something viable to call if the dealer should
turn it down.
> Who knows, maybe your partner has the missing trump.If my P has the missing trump, there is no danger of a loner. I can
safely pass and call on my own strength if dealer turns it down.
- Good comment but dealer should be SHOT. Two probable tricks with Q & J.On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:09 PM, "bookcasedust@... [EuchreScience]" <EuchreScience@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I agree with your "should have".... Order up from 2nd seat, as it is your best to help your partner with, you have nothing at all to fight with if 1st seat should benefit from a turn down and call next, and you have nothing but a wild guess to offer your partner should 1st seat make the third mistake and pass making trump to you. Sorry, but the first mistake, the pass by 2nd seat was the worst mistake here. That's my story and i'm sticking with it.