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  • budobhag
    If you have knowledge of a crime and you don t report it you can be charged with an offence. The limit of your knowledge only has to be on reasonable grounds
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 1, 2006
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      If you have knowledge of a crime and you don't report it you can be
      charged with an offence. The limit of your knowledge only has to be
      on 'reasonable grounds to suspect or believe'.
      If you have such grounds then the police must carry out some initial
      inivestigation, because if they don't they are then in dereliction of
      duty.
      Most coppers are lazy and unless it looks as though it will make them
      look good, will usually take the easy way out. Take this hint...when
      you speak to the police, never speak to anyone with less than three
      stripes on his shoulders no matter how convincing he sounds. We had a
      saying, if you don't know how to be a copper at least look like one.
      There's a lot of truth in the saying 'bullshit baffles brains'. Always
      take their names and details of the conversatiion (time date place
      etc). Finally if you go in person, take someone who can corroborate
      your conversation.

      The threat of going to the Ombudsman always throws a little weight as
      well.

      Trust me...

      Regards...

      --- In Escape_from_the_Fellowship@yahoogroups.com, "George Potkonyak"
      <potkonyak@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > perrybarile writes:
      >
      > [Did the NSW coppers ever get back to you? The Victorian police later
      > contacted me and put me in touch with an officer who specialises in
      > sexual assault. She was very interested in the matter.]
      >
      > No, nobody contacted me. Give them a nudge, if you find time.
      >
      > shalom,
      > george
      >
    • kenhaining777
      [When I first heard the story of Al Capone, I though, Why wasn t he arrested and thrown in jail if everybody knew that he was a Mafia boss? Well, it was not
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 2, 2006
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        [When I first heard the story of Al Capone, I though, "Why wasn't he
        arrested and thrown in jail if everybody knew that he was a Mafia boss?"
        Well, it was not possible to prove in the court of law, even though
        "everybody knew it". Nevertheless, he was caught on tax crimes, something
        hardly related to the murders and robberies that he was involved in.

        The fellowship will end up the same way.

        shalom,
        george]

         

        This is true.  The police, or the FBI, or other officers of the law can know that someone is, for example, running drugs.  However, the way the court system is set up there must be overwhelming evidence that is legally obtained in order to get a conviction. 

        Wayman O. and his merry band of con men are very good at confusing issues.  That is why you have to learn how to just go for the straight out facts. 

        For example, if Wayman O. has really made the kind of money reflected in the yearly reports, then why all the secrecy concerning the detailed books?  As George pointed out, Capone got away with his crimes until IRS showed up and did an audit.  That which was hidden was hidden no more, and it didn't matter if he claimed the income was legitimately earned, the fact that he failed to pay taxes on it is what got him convicted.

        We know what we know.  We experienced it, and we still experience it.  It is still hard, however, to "prove" to fellowship loyalists that we are telling the truth.  The irony is that they will believe whatever their leaders tell them about "backsliders" with no proof at all. 

        So we keep presenting the evidence.  The jury, in many cases, is still out.

        Shalom

         

         


      • George Potkonyak
        kenhaining777 writes: [We know what we know. We experienced it, and we still experience it. It is still hard, however, to prove to fellowship loyalists that
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 2, 2006
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          kenhaining777 writes:

          [We know what we know. We experienced it, and we still experience it. It
          is still hard, however, to "prove" to fellowship loyalists that we are
          telling the truth. The irony is that they will believe whatever their
          leaders tell them about "backsliders" with no proof at all.]

          I read this morning Donna's post. It is simply incredible that someone,
          like Donna, left the fellowship in 1984, 22 years ago(!) and still is
          writing about it. Why? Obviously, it has affected her life in a rather
          significant way, and that is, for the worse. Just think about it.

          You all have an idea of what Communism is, whether you are right or wrong
          in your perceptions. I was a member of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia
          and have left it some 40 years ago. I had no problem whatsoever, from day
          one after leaving it. No nightmares, no curses from those who were still
          in. I had no problem meeting with any of them, including the leaders and
          had no problem attending at any of their meetings, if I wished. No calling
          of names, no nothing.

          I was a heavy smoker for a number of years; I was addicted to it. When I
          quit, I suffered from the withdrawal symptoms for a very short time and it
          was over. No nightmares, no flashbacks, no cigarette manufacturers calling
          me names or threatening me with being "fried".

          I was addicted to coffee. When I stopped drinking it I suffered withdrawal
          symptoms for three days. That was it. No coffee manufacturers attacked me
          for "backsliding". I am now, of my own free will, back into drinking
          coffee, two cups a day, without any problems.

          I was a very heave drinker. When I stopped, I had no problem whatsoever.
          I am back to drinking, on my own free will, occasionally, a half glass or
          one glass, with no problem.

          I had at various times in my life companies of friends. Whenever I
          withdrew from associating with any of them, for whatever reason, including
          the reason for me getting "born again" in the fellowship, none of them went
          after me by slandering me or threatening in any way. I am always welcome
          to see them and they feel free to see me, if we find time or desire.

          No problem, whatsoever!

          Yet, look at the consequences of each one of us being, at one time in our
          lives, associated with the fellowship and leaving it for one reason or
          other. Decades later we still feel the devastation caused by that
          association. Decades later! Is that normal? Can a normal person
          understand that?

          Can LAW understand that? IT WILL HAVE TO. I will do my best to make sure
          it does.

          shalom,
          george
        • mothertiger69
          Dear George, I am a normal person, and I completely, 100% understand what you are saying. Just wanted you to know that, OK? MT ... it. It ... are ... their
          Message 4 of 9 , Sep 3, 2006
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            Dear George, I am a normal person, and I completely, 100% understand
            what you are saying. Just wanted you to know that, OK?

            MT





            --- In Escape_from_the_Fellowship@yahoogroups.com, "George Potkonyak"
            <potkonyak@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > kenhaining777 writes:
            >
            > [We know what we know. We experienced it, and we still experience
            it. It
            > is still hard, however, to "prove" to fellowship loyalists that we
            are
            > telling the truth. The irony is that they will believe whatever
            their
            > leaders tell them about "backsliders" with no proof at all.]
            >
            > I read this morning Donna's post. It is simply incredible that
            someone,
            > like Donna, left the fellowship in 1984, 22 years ago(!) and still
            is
            > writing about it. Why? Obviously, it has affected her life in a
            rather
            > significant way, and that is, for the worse. Just think about it.
            >
            > You all have an idea of what Communism is, whether you are right or
            wrong
            > in your perceptions. I was a member of the Communist Party of
            Yugoslavia
            > and have left it some 40 years ago. I had no problem whatsoever,
            from day
            > one after leaving it. No nightmares, no curses from those who were
            still
            > in. I had no problem meeting with any of them, including the
            leaders and
            > had no problem attending at any of their meetings, if I wished. No
            calling
            > of names, no nothing.
            >
            > I was a heavy smoker for a number of years; I was addicted to it.
            When I
            > quit, I suffered from the withdrawal symptoms for a very short time
            and it
            > was over. No nightmares, no flashbacks, no cigarette manufacturers
            calling
            > me names or threatening me with being "fried".
            >
            > I was addicted to coffee. When I stopped drinking it I suffered
            withdrawal
            > symptoms for three days. That was it. No coffee manufacturers
            attacked me
            > for "backsliding". I am now, of my own free will, back into
            drinking
            > coffee, two cups a day, without any problems.
            >
            > I was a very heave drinker. When I stopped, I had no problem
            whatsoever.
            > I am back to drinking, on my own free will, occasionally, a half
            glass or
            > one glass, with no problem.
            >
            > I had at various times in my life companies of friends. Whenever I
            > withdrew from associating with any of them, for whatever reason,
            including
            > the reason for me getting "born again" in the fellowship, none of
            them went
            > after me by slandering me or threatening in any way. I am always
            welcome
            > to see them and they feel free to see me, if we find time or desire.
            >
            > No problem, whatsoever!
            >
            > Yet, look at the consequences of each one of us being, at one time
            in our
            > lives, associated with the fellowship and leaving it for one reason
            or
            > other. Decades later we still feel the devastation caused by that
            > association. Decades later! Is that normal? Can a normal person
            > understand that?
            >
            > Can LAW understand that? IT WILL HAVE TO. I will do my best to
            make sure
            > it does.
            >
            > shalom,
            > george
            >
          • George Potkonyak
            mothertiger69 writes: [Dear George, I am a normal person, and I completely, 100% understand what you are saying. Just wanted you to know that, OK?] When I
            Message 5 of 9 , Sep 3, 2006
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              mothertiger69 writes:

              [Dear George, I am a normal person, and I completely, 100% understand
              what you are saying. Just wanted you to know that, OK?]

              When I said "normal" I meant someone who hasn't experienced what we have
              experienced, that is, fortunately, the most of the "normal" folk...

              shalom,
              george
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