- For some reason or other I was a little anxious last night and had
difficulty getting to sleep. I thought if I gave some concentrated
thought to a particular subject, it may result in me getting either
bored or tired and hey presto....Zzzzzzz! Now that you're studying law
I thought of you and consequently wanted to see what you think.
In relation to your thesis on tithing...if you could get a recognised
authority to corroborate your study and put it up against PH doctrine,
I think that there may be a case against them for obtaining money or
benefit by fraud or deception.
There's plenty of witnesses that can verify their claim that they have
it right, this great move of God. Further more, they can't claim to
have made a mistake because ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I suppose then they can be asked what happened with the money as well
as having to explain their own individual incomes and accumulation of
investments, goods and chattels. Maybe it could be interpreted as
proceeds of crime as well. Just a thought anyway. I have a copy of the
Western Australia Criminal Code, I might take a look at it tomorrow.
Interested in your thoughts George.
- budomanche writes:
[In relation to your thesis on tithing... if you could get a recognised
authority to corroborate your study and put it up against PH doctrine, I
think that there may be a case against them for obtaining money or benefit
by fraud or deception.]
The first few provisions that come to mind from the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW)
are, for instance: Part 4, Division 1 which contains subdivisions like:
Subdivision 10 - Obtaining money etc by deception
Subdivision 11 - Obtaining money etc by false or misleading statements
Subdivision 13 - False pretences
Subdivision 14 - Fraudulent arrangements
There are some interesting sections throughout; for instance:
Section 173 Directors etc fraudulently appropriating etc property
Section 174 Directors etc omitting certain entries
Section 249E Corrupt benefits for trustees and others
This one is quite interesting, relating to the enforced tithing or other
"doctrines", such as "submission":
Section 545B Intimidation or annoyance... (only relevant portions quoted)
(a) with a view to compel any other person to abstain from doing or to do
any act which such other person has a legal right to do or abstain from
(i) uses... intimidation to or toward such other person...
is liable, on conviction before a Local Court, to imprisonment...
�Intimidation� means the causing of a reasonable apprehension of injury to
a person... or damage to any person or property...
�Injury� includes any injury to a person in respect of his property,
business, occupation, employment, or other source of income, and also
includes any actionable wrong of any nature...
There are numerous provisions in the Corporations Act, Tax Laws and the
State Acts regulating Associations. Not to mention the Civil Liability
Acts and the common law on contracts and torts, based on which we can get
them to the cleaners... once I get my law degree.
As for getting a "recognised authority" on tithing, I am one. "My thesis"
has been recognised throughout the Western world, wherever the tithing is
practised. All the corroboration that I need is in the Bible.
For instance read the "Contemporary English Version of The Bible For
Today", Deuteronomy 14: 22-29 (only a portion quoted):
 People of Israel, every year you must set aside ten percent of your
 Also set aside ten percent of your wine and olive oil, and of the
firstborn of every cow, sheep and goat. Take these to the place where the
LORD chooses to be worshipped, and eat them there. This will teach you to
always respect the LORD your God...
 Every third year, instead of using the ten percent of your harvest for
a big celebration, bring it into the town and put it in a community
 The Levites have no land of their own, so you must give them food from
the storehouse. You must also give food [from that storehouse] to the poor
who live in your town...
That�s exactly what I have been preaching for 12 years now and that�s what
God commanded. And that�s exactly what those �churches that believe in
tithing� are trying to avoid mentioning to the �flock�. In fact, Walsh is
terrified of those verses. You mention them to him and he starts foaming
on his mouth...;^)