- I've added some pictures in the "photos" section in the Tudor album.
I don't think I'll try the pinning - may make dancing a bit painful!
--- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, L T <ladybrynmillar@...>
> If the gown has no shoulder straps then the sleeves
> (obviously) cannot be attached to the gown on top of
> the shoulder by means of ties. What type of sleeves
> and gown are you looking at?
> Here is an alternative suggestion for costuming -
> Women were sometimes pinned into their gowns. Although
> I can't cite the reference on the spot, I have seen
> zoomed images of paintings in which straight dressing
> pins have been used to close a bodice along the rib
> cage area under the arm to the waist (amazing details
> the painters put in sometimes!). The images were
> presented as supporting evidence for the discussion
> about different types of closure used for garments.
> I know from one of the history channel programs that
> in the 16th century among the working classes that
> making long dress pins was one of the trades usually
> performed by older people and children who couldn't
> perform more physically demanding tasks. The pay was a
> pitence and many pins had to be produced for that
> meager pay.
> The pins may have been something along the line like
> these from Historic Enterprises:
> The pins used on veils and gowns were not necessarily
> hidden from sight as we might try to do today.
> Although I'm not sure I'd try dressing pins (yet) for
> clothes, I think they are an interesting alternative.
> I can definitely see the need for a dressing buddy to
> help pin you into clothes or lace your gown.
> --- Cate <kelley@...> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if I wrote that question right, but I
> > did upload a
> > picture of what I mean, it's under "files." Given
> > your answer about
> > the sleeves weighing so much, I would think that if
> > the bodice did
> > not have over-the-shoulder straps (attached to the
> > bodice, not ties)
> > the look might be more consistent? I don't know.
> > It seems to depend
> > on the dress, but maybe not the time period?
> > Thoughts?
> > Cate
> > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Wendi"
> > <lobster_kelaguen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > True!
> > > It may have had something to do with the weight of
> > the sleeves as
> > they
> > > became more and more massive. Can you imagine the
> > gapping caused
> > by a
> > > five pound fur-trimmed sleeve attached with ties?
> > >
> > > The mix and match style was very cost effective
> > for many women. If
> > > you wanted the look of a new gown, just switch the
> > sleeves. I think
> > > of the mix and match sleeves as being in style
> > slightly before the
> > > Tudor era, but the truth is that they probably
> > overlap. Especially,
> > > in those classes where cost was an issue. Let's
> > call them the
> > smaller
> > > lighter sleeved set.
> > >
> > > Next question.
> > > Gwen.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In EndeweardeTailor@yahoogroups.com, "Cate"
> > <kelley@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was reading some website somewhere (probably a
> > dress diary) and
> > the
> > > > writer suggested that Tudor gowns may have had
> > the sleeves
> > attached
> > > > directly to the bodice with no shoulder straps -
> > any thoughts?
> > > > Cate
> > > >
> > >
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