Re: Speaking of Microwaves and Magnetrons
- No, the atoms are still atoms in a plasma. Only the outer electrons
are loose, and the nucleus is still in one piece.
It takes the heat and pressure of a star to push neutrons and protons
--- In Electronics_101@yahoogroups.com, DougHale <electronics@...> wrote:
> > A plasma is just a hot, electrically charged gas,
> plasma is actually the fourth state of matter: the first three being
> solid, liquid, gas - each one being hotter than the previous one.
> If the heat is high enough, you get plasma.
> When matter is in the gas state, the atoms are still atoms - in the
> plasma state, they are not atoms any more - just a mass of electrons,
> protons, and neutrons.
--- In Electronics_101@yahoogroups.com, randy@... wrote:
"... Possibly/probably Tom's original "failure mode" was a wayward
Spaghetti-O or other splatter, that eventually turned to carbon, and
went "plasmoid" on him..."
Could be, Randy. Sometimes, the inside of our microwave does get a
stray bit of chili, burrito, hot pocket, soup or other semi-edible
stuff spattered on it and I would not be surprised to find that this
is, indeed, the source of the "eruption". After excision of the
darkened area, things have gone well and I don't experience any more
plasmoid displays in the box.
Just another comment, though, to the current direction (amok) of the
thread: IF the electrons, protons and neutrons are indeed separated
in these displays, high energy sources such as cyclotrons and the
like wouldn't be necessary to "split the atom". It seems to me that
the explanation somebody posited earlier that a plasma consists of
atoms of something or other that have had some electrons stripped off
and are, thusly, ionized is the logical definition.
IF the nucleii (I never did type that word before. It might be
misspelled) sre "disassembled", there would be a problem of re-
assembly of the atoms after the plasma-inducing stimulus is removed.
As with dice or cards, atoms seem to lack the capacity to "remember"
how they used to be made up (except they can remember how many
electrons are involved based on the charge on the nucleus) IF they
are completely disassembled. entropy being what is is, those data
are, in my estimation, lost forever unless somebody wrote it all down
in a notebook. Of course, I do not claim to be a Nuclear Physicist
but I believe this follows from common sense. Interesting thought,
though, if we consider the possibility of microwaving some Plutonium,
thus splitting the nucleus into flinders and generating a tiny little
nuke in the Radar Range...Might be even more spectacular than a
When I posted this, I found that there had been intervening posts
that explain more about plasma than I know...I, therefore, erased my
post and add this paragraph to acknowledge that there are those who
know a lot more than I do about plasma and plasma types.