Nader on Bernard Shaw's program
- <<Here's the transcript from Ralph's appearance on Inside Politics with
Bernard Shaw. (Thanks to Scott McClarty)
First, an excerpt:
"[W]hy should I worry about the two parties who I think have undermined
American Democracy and kept our country short of its promise. I am--my
concern is to marshal a strong base around the country, to build a new,
third progressive political party -- the Green Party."
Nader interviewed by Bernard Shaw on Inside Politics
Tuesday 5/30 - Inside Politics
SHAW: Right now, in how many states are you on the ballot?
NADER: About 17. We're just filing 60,000 signatures in Texas. Only
38,000 are needed. We expect to be on 40 states by the end of June, and we're
going for all 50 by the end of summer.
SHAW: You are in Los Angeles for the moment. Can you deny victory in
California to Al Gore?
NADER: Well, that's a negative way of putting it. I'm worried about Al
Gore taking away votes from us. We're basically going to go after the
two-party duopoly, essentially a corporate party with two heads wearing
makeup into, and we're going to...
SHAW: Wait a minute, you just used the word -- did you say “duopoly?”
NADER: Yes, a duopoly. In other words, these are the two parties –
Republican and Democrat are converging on more and more issues, like on
environmental issues. Let's take WTO, NAFTA, oil, gas and coal industry,
nuclear industry, issues that are worrying members of the board of the
Sierra Club, bioengineering, motor vehicle industry. There is no
difference between Gore and Bush except their rhetoric. You look at the actual
record of the Clinton-Gore administration, they've broken all kinds of
that were in Al Gore's 1992 book.
SHAW: Ralph Nader, realistically, nationwide, what percentage of the
vote do you expect to get?
NADER: If I was going to predict that, I'd stop campaigning, Bernie.
We're going after every vote. You should watch me talk to conservative
audiences, liberal, progressive; they all feel they've lost control, in this
country, over almost everything that matters to them. And they know that big
business reigns almost supreme in Washington D.C. and all too many state
legislatures. So it's a pro democracy vote -- public financing of public
campaigns, getting the labor laws strengthened to allow workers in
places like Wal-Mart to form trade unions and strengthening law enforcement on
corporate crime fraud and abuse, both against tax dollars and consumers.
SHAW: Well you know, some Democratic strategists say that you will hurt
Gore and help Bush. What say you?
NADER: Well, in 1996, according to Dick Morris, I took four Republican
votes for every six Democrat votes, not to mention independent. Buchanan
will pull votes predominantly from the Republicans, but you know, why should
I worry about the two parties who I think have undermined American
Democracy and kept our country short of its promise. I am--my concern is to
marshal a strong base around the country, to build a new, third progressive
political party -- the Green Party.
SHAW: As you appeal to voters, what is your prime strength and your
NADER: Well, the prime strength is 40 years of working for ordinary folk
here in Washington -- stronger, safer cars, and cleaner environment, and
consumer protection and advancing low-income affordable housing. And I
suppose the prime weakness is that I failed to accomplish all of my
goals, and that along with other citizen groups, we've been closed down in
Washington by two parties who belong to big money.
SHAW: Well, we'll see you on the campaign trail, Ralph Nader.
NADER: Thank you.>>
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