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    Minot AFB Clandestine Nukes Oddities --By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 19 Sep 2007 The following section was compiled by The Pundit. ? Since the
    Message 1 of 1 , Sep 27, 2007
      Minot AFB Clandestine Nukes 'Oddities' --By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 19 Sep
      The following section was compiled by 'The Pundit.' ?
      Since the Minot story broke a week ago about the missing nukeclandestine operation from
      Minot, we have the following (for those who are paying attention):
      1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base ?
      2. All were directly involved as loaders or as pilots ?
      3. All are now dead ?
      4. All within the last 7 days in 'accidents' [Not all of them --LRP]
      http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465 ?
      Silly me, seeing more than there is to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence.
      But no doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because as I have
      stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto a B-52, and
      they may have told their wives and friends.
      "The Pundit"
      Minot Base Officials Say Airman Dies While On Leave 12 Sep 2007 The Minot Air Force Base
      said an airman has died while on leave in Virginia. Airman First Class Todd Blue, who was
      20 years old, died Monday while visiting with family members. The statement did not say
      how he died. The base said Blue was a response force member assigned to the 5th
      Security Forces Squadron. [The primary mission of the 5th Security Forces Squadron is to
      'provide 24-hour law enforcement and security services for the 5th Bomb Wing and all
      tenant units assigned to Minot AFB.' "Guardians of the Upper Realm" --The host wing on
      Minot Air Force Base, the 5th Bomb Wing operates the B-52H Stratofortress aircraft to
      provide global strike and combat-support capabilities to geographic commanders. B-52
      Stratofortress - Mission --Air Combat Command's B-52 is a long-range, heavy bomber
      that can perform a variety of missions... It can carry nuclear or precision guided
      conventional ordnance with worldwide precision navigation capability.]

      AF Secretary Visits MAFB 14 Sep 2007 The top civilian in the Air Force spent the afternoon
      at Minot Air Force Base today. Michael Wynne, the Secretary of the Air Force, arrived at the
      base about 1 PM to get a personal look at how nuclear weapons are stored, protected, and
      handled. His visit comes two weeks after a B-52 bomber loaded with six nuclear warheads
      was flown from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base.
      Staging Nukes for Iran? By Larry Johnson 05 Sep 2007 My buddy... reminded me that the
      only times you put weapons on a plane is when they are on alert or if you are tasked to
      move the weapons to a specific site... Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping
      off point for Middle East operations... Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons
      at a base conducting Middle East operations? His final point was to observe that someone
      on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52
      landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else.
      Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can't think of one. What is certain is
      that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some
      nukes and take them for a joy ride... Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the
      American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran?
      ***** ?
      'Opposing' view: ?
      The following email was sent to CLG on 19 September, anonymously.
      Hello there,?
      I'm a Staff Sergeant in the US Air Force. I do network security, so, that's why I'm emailing
      anonymously, even though I really don't feel it's necessary. I'm just paranoid like that,
      which is why I'm pretty good at my job. ;) Also, parts of what I'm putting in here are
      probably classified, which is the primary reason I'm sending this anonymously.?
      Anyway, I see a lot of people posting on Reddit about government conspiracies about
      nukes and things like this. It's frustrating for me because it's really very silly. Please, let
      me explain some background, to help you all understand what's going on in the
      background for the Air Force:
      Minot AFB is a dead-end base. It's the abyss of the Air Force, the saying goes "Why not
      Minot?" They have major retainability problems there – people volunteer to go to Iraq,
      Korea, anywhere just to get out of there. Beside its location (middle-of-nowhere North
      Dakota), the base has very little real mission and spins its wheels forever in drills that all
      result in the end of the world since it's a nuke base designed to fight the Cold War. But,
      there is no Cold War for them to fight (at least not one that Minot's golden piece of real
      estate would be useful in fighting), so its people probably feel pretty worthless and tired
      of fighting the now non-existent Soviet Union. The base has already been re-aligned
      (more on that in a moment) and it's probably going to be BRACed into a regional airport in
      a few decades. Ellison AFB in South Dakota has already had its closure decided.
      One of the biggest problems with killing off Minot is its core mission – all of the nukes it
      has. Its weapons capability is moving to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana as the AF further
      consolidates after the Cold War and infrastructure budget cuts because of Iraq et al.
      Moving weapons capability to Barksdale, in real world terms, means moving the actual
      missiles that would deliver the nuclear warhead to Barksdale. No big deal, conventional
      weapons move all the time. Nuclear warheads, however, when transported for these
      reasons, are moved by the Department of Energy – a very time consuming, expensive, and
      burdensome process that someone else will have to figure out much later once they finally
      decide to close the base.
      So, the Air Force's solution is to move the missiles, and leave the warheads behind, to be
      dealt with one day when all of us are retired and don't have to worry about it. That's what
      SHOULD have happened. So the mission itself was pretty normal otherwise. (It may actually
      be intentional to leave things this way, to prevent Congressional involvement, as whatever
      Senator is from ND is probably desperate to keep Minot around as long as possible;
      leaving the nukes, but operationally stripping the base serves both sides purposes).
      The mistake, and the reason everyone now knows about this, is that the warheads weren't
      removed from the missiles being moved to Barksdale. I bet the guys on the ground in
      Barksdale were sure as shit surprised when they cracked the payload open and saw a
      warhead. ;)
      I know as much as I do because I work with a cross-trainee whose last base was Barksdale
      as a munitions specialist. He was involved in this process there; along with the various
      other missions Barksdale has (it's a pretty critical base in the AF). Anyway, you would think
      there would be a pretty clear checklist for all of this, but apparently no one even bothered.
      Doing what they do day-to-day, is pretty standard operating procedure. People get lazy
      when they do the same thing day after day, and there's no less than a half dozen teams
      who would be transferring these weapons around from storage until they're loaded. The
      idea of someone dropping the ball in the AF is not exactly unusual (quite common,
      actually, heh), especially when 4:30 rolls around and everyone wants to go home. If the
      next step is to hand it off to the guys who remove the warhead, and it's 1630 on a Friday,
      hell, let's just leave it until Monday, since the mission doesn't fly until Tuesday anyway.
      Monday rolls around, someone else takes over, and doesn't know the job wasn't finished
      on Friday. There SHOULD be some paper trail for that kind of thing, but then, like I said,
      people are lazy. Oh, and Minot usually fails its nuclear operational readiness inspections. ;)
      Sorry to kill your confidence in the military.
      I've seen too much crazy stuff to believe in some massive conspiracy, there's too many
      people involved. You'd have to kill like 50 people to "cover up" moving nukes to Barksdale.
      Plus, what would it achieve? There's already more than enough nukes at Barksdale to blow
      the world up 3x over. Who needs 6 more? Seriously? Plus, more accidents occur with
      conventional than nukes, since nukes are computerized and designed to be super-duper
      safe. Conventional weapons are built by the lowest bidder. [Yikes!] I'd be more worried
      about a fully-loaded F16 flying around NYC after 9/11 sucking up a bird than a B52 with
      nukes flying around without anyone knowing it was loaded with nukes. The pilots couldn't
      "secretly" be in on it and launch them, the interface wouldn't be installed, the COMSEC
      material wouldn't be available, etc. You'd have to kill half the base to hide the paper trail
      necessary to give the pilots the ability to launch.
      Several people dying from Minot is bad, of course, but then, crazy stuff happens.
      Motorcycle accidents, mind you, are the #1 non-war cause of dead in the Air Force. The
      Captain who died wasn't a pilot (he was Combat Weather, as evidenced by his pewter beret
      in the photo linked from your site). Captains are a dime a dozen, just like the Security
      Forces troop who died. Yes, a part of the Security Forces Squadron mission there would be
      do defend the nukes, but he's not at all involved in any of the process. He stands outside
      the door and checks IDs. Seriously, that's it. I have 5 cops (as they're generally called in
      the Air Force) I deal with every day where I work because I do computer stuff, and they
      have zero clue what's happening behind the door. They spend most of the day on the
      phone chit chatting with friends at other security posts about the latest dorm gossip about
      who slept with whom.
      So, to conclude, just chill out a bit about the conspiracy, it's kinda silly. Plus, again, what
      would be the point? It's not a big deal to authorize a nuke mission. After 9/11 the entire
      Barksdale arsenal was loaded and on the flightline ready to fly. I wouldn't sweat 6 who
      someone forgot to unload.
      Feel free to republish, maybe it'll educate a few people.
      ***** ?
      Rebuttal to 'Opposing View' ?
      The following email was sent to CLG on 19 September.
      Subject: comments closed? ?

      I'm NOT anonymous, and I take issue with the anonymous "ssgt" statements.

      I'm a cold war vet from the US Navy, one who worked as part of an operation designed to
      exhaust and bankrupt the Soviet military, by constantly testing their limitations. This SSgt
      is a defacto shill for a propaganda machine.


      Bullsheep. Plain and simple. IF this "SSgt" was actually just debunking a load of Steaming
      Holstein, none of his command would have much issue with any of his statements,
      especially publicly available facts such as retention rates and base activities that are noted
      on google.com, mil.gov, wikipedia, and many other websites worldwide. There is no need
      to be anonymous when you're not releasing classified data, is there? Saying "there is not a
      plot" is not contrary to secure data, even if there is not a plot.


      6 people dying within days of a world-record nuclear screw-up is decidedly newsworthy,
      and suspicious, in itself. The rate of fatalities in the military isn't that high even in war


      The "Decider" has already stated that he believes the USA has the right to bomb Iran, and
      that he will not certify that he'd refuse to use nukes. "No option is off the table" as he is
      fond of saying. I think that's pretty damn clear, being as it is coming from the Commander
      In Chief.


      The military reporting of these incidents is itself contrary to military secrecy, reason, and
      law. I suspect an altogether different agenda. I believe that this high-level press coverage
      of a screw up, carrying nukes on B52s, is designed to use the US Media [gasp, they've
      never done that before!] to pressure Iran to meet US demands.

      The US military would never release to the public any real classified data, especially
      including data about moved or missing nukes, without authority from the White House.
      The US media is NOT entitled to print or distribute classified information, and is NEVER
      brought-in as it was in this case, so rapidly or on such an elemental and critical faux paus.
      The only logical excuse for the sudden and detail-filled news coverage of this event is that
      of an intentional release of data for political purposes.

      Declaring that the US Military is lying in the media isn't illegal provided that one does not
      expose any actual events or secrets, or violate the UCMJ by disobeying a direct order. All
      soldiers still have their civil rights. These rights are merely waived as needed for valid
      military purposes, as it is the job of a soldier to take abnormal risks and bear state

      If it was really a secret, the anonymous sergeant would now be a traitor to the USA, just by
      talking about it. Thus, the implication that the letter is legit, is ALSO an implication that
      the letter is NOT legit. There is no need to be anonymous if it's not a secret. QED. This is
      an example of a circular argument.

      Thus, "I" am not violating any UCMJ or Federal laws by stating that it's bunk. You can't cite
      me for a double negative: I'm stating that what doesn't exist, doesn't not exist. We call
      that the First Amendment, and whether Dumbya likes it or not, it's still in force. I'm saying
      that there is no pink elephant.

      The missiles were moved, without any doubts, intentionally; OR The missiles were never
      moved and the press coverage is based on propaganda to scare Iran; OR the missiles were
      moved and the press coverage is based on propaganda to scare Iran. You can't prove or
      disprove what the US military has done without EXTERNAL data. They'll say whatever they
      want to suit themselves.
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