Re: David Icke--New Age/Conspiracy Theorist
- Hi, All and Thanks, Prometheus!
The main reason I have posted these messages is to suggest the
responsibility that we each have in discerning and checking out
various information sources. I would venture that we all know better
than to believe everything we hear on TV or obtain from other mass
media sources; however, just because alternative news/information
sources are marching to a different drum beat, it doesn't mean that
this information is better or more truthful.
Cassiopaea, TRANCEformaton of America, David Icke and others are not
providing truth--they are only presenting lies and half-truths along
with personal agendas that are masqueraded as a social and political
truth. They are distractions/tests.
Higher spiritual truth can only be found when ego is set aside and
the inner and outer worlds can be viewed through the clear vision of
For me and many of us, the quest or journey for Higher Truth is in
and of itself the goal. But then again, I'm not telling any of you
out there anything new. : )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> Hi Mish,she
> Very interesting post... once again I'll have to check out some of
> the sites you have listed.
> As far as Icke goes... if a famous person would say that he or
> believed that Dubya (G.W.) was a snake... would that be proof thatpart?
> he was a reptilian?
> I've noticed that Betty and Mario over on Ford's HCS are big David
> Icke fans. Doesn't Ford ever check out these people or the sites
> that B&M endorse? Is there no sense of responsibility on Ford's
> On another note... I've heard Betty H. make comments about
> The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were true. So, I guess sheon
> bought into the David Icke stuff. I remember that this story was
> the History Channel and it was pointed out there how Henry Fordhad
> been duped.Ph.D.
> I found an interesting book by another Hawkins. This book is
> titled, "Reality and Subjectivity" by David R. Hawkins, M.D.,
> It's rather a slow read and somewhat tedious, but very interestingon
> just the same.
> p.s. Currently I am reviewing some Klemp/Twitchell/Marman
> information from the Eckankar website. I'll have to give my views
> the spin and obmissions later.announcer
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
> <mishmisha9@y...> wrote:
> > David Icke is a former British soccer player and sports
> > who1990's.
> > began his new career as a conspiracy theorist in the early
> > Hecontroversial
> > was born in 1952 in Leicester, England. To date, he has written
> > published around 30 books and goes on lecture tours. His Internet
> > site
> > has a lot of activity and interest. Of course, he is
> > andif
> > there is argument about whether what he theorizes has merit or
> > is just a plain "nut" case.
> > Icke believes the origin of the Illuminati is extraterrestrial--
> > proof: He is "contacted regularly with messages from beyond by
> > lizards." (Skeptic.com) His book, "The Biggest Secret: The Book
> > Will Change the World," written and published in 1999, discusses
> > belief that "the planet was being run by a New World Order
> > controlled
> > by a race of reptilian humanoids called the 'Babylonian
> > Brotherhood.'"
> > (encyclopedia.lockergnome.com)He believes that many prominent
> > and "practically every world leader, including Queen Elizabeth
> > several of our U.S. presidents are either reptilian or work forroyal
> > reptiles. He bases, in part, this belief in statements he claims
> > made
> > my the late Princess Diana when she referred to the British
> > family as being lizards, and also from Cathy O'Brian ininto
> > TRANCEformation of America when she claims that George Bush, Sr.
> > an alien reptile. O'Brian claims that Bush is a paedophile and
> > serial
> > killer, etc. She says she saw Bush transform "like chameleon
> > reptile." Icke says he knows other people who have seen this
> > my previous post, I said that many people dismiss the
> > Phillips/O'Brian's story about Mind Control because they offer
> > proof to substantiate what they claim. My question concerningthe
> > validity of Icke's conspiracy theories is this for one: why doesElders
> > readily accept what is written in "TRANCEformation of America"
> > Phillips and O'Brian do not come forth with their evidence?
> > Supposedly
> > O'Brian's back is a mass of scars from the torture inflicted on
> > yet she does not show her scars. That would be simple enough for
> > beginning proof of their allegations and story.
> > Icke was a former member of The Green Party, but they have
> > association with him since he began his book writings on the
> > Illuminati. I also read where he was a member of the British Neo-
> > Nazis. There is criticism that he is anti-Semitic in his views.
> > stems in part from his endorsement of "The Protocols of the
> > of Zion." The "Protocols" are forged documents that caught thesubject
> > attention of Henry Ford who had 4 volumes of books on the
> > printed in both English and German and distributed in Europe.already
> > when Ford discovered the information was false, Hitler was
> > using the book as a tool to rid Europe of the Jews. Well, nooccult
> > there is argument about Icke being anti-Semitic!
> > From Disinformation.com: "Icke lays out a conspiriology 'grand
> > narrative' that involves every major conspiracy theory and
> > society that ever existed, an alternative view of history whichlate
> > contends has been kept from the majority of the human race. . .
> > Read as fictional metapho, Icke's books are a paranoid roller-
> > coaster
> > ride through Humanity's eternal struggle to consciously evolve
> > primitive and violent deep-brain subsystem to whole-Earth
> > macro-views.
> > But unfortunately many readers are confusing the map with the
> > territory, resulting in the 'information overload' that
> > Umberto Eco wryly warned about in his masterful postmodern
> > novel 'Foucault's Pendulum' (Picador, 1990) . . .
> > According to a scathing review of "The Biggest Secret' by the
> > Jimsharing
> > Keith, Icke lacks the finely honed analytical skills required to
> > discrimniate between credible and delusional sources." (i.e.
> > Phillips
> > and O'Brian for one)
> > At one time, I was briefly interested in reading a couple of
> > books, but when I did some researching, some of which I am
> > here, I backed away from spending my time and money on him. Iwas
> > criticized for not being "open." : ) I took a brief look thisto
> > morning
> > at some of his books that are for sale on Amazon.com. I notice
> > the prices have dropped from their original $30.00 (no discount)
> > aboutwriting
> > 30% off. Well, that is more appealing, but I still view his
> > asreaders
> > a waste of time--MPO. What I also noticed was a lack of editorial
> > book
> > reviews by Amazon, even though there are several posted by
> > ofdo
> > Icke's books. I thought that was odd. I'm not sure if that means
> > anything, but it seems no one at Amazon has taken the time to
> > the books, and perhaps have not read them????
> > I will list some of the internet sites I visited in researching
> > David
> > Icke in case you are interested in delving more. Of course, just
> > googling pulls up a lot of pros and cons. I admit that my
> > perspective
> > is negative, even though, the general premise of conspiracies I
> > notboth
> > disagree with. I recognize that conspiracies do take place on
> > large and small scale events. They are always happening, fromthe
> > beginning of time. I question though the validity of theand
> > Illuminati/Power Elite theories in that it is so broad-ranged
> > powerful. I can't believe either that most prominent people arestrings.
> > members of this secret society or puppets being pulled by
> > Well, enough of that--my personal opinions!Survived
> > http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id330/pg1/
> > http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/bsecret.html
> > http://www.rightwingnews.com/crackpots/reptile.php
> > http://www.encyclopeida.lockergnome.com/s/b/David_Icke
> > http://www.nndb.com/people/455/000022389/
> > http://www.pubiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm
> > http://www.masonicinfo.com/icke.htm
> > I can't resist a final quote from the Right Wing News
> entitled "The
> > Greys Are Mutants From Atlantis Who Bred With Lizards And
> > Earths Cataclysms" by John Hawkins:I
> > "While perusing various conspiracy sites to get material for
> > (Anyone can post on the internet), I've run across various
> > references
> > to a guy named David Icke. After doing a little checking around,
> > found that his web page is quite popular. According to Alexa.com,moon,
> > it's
> > the 23,170th most popular page on the internet which is fairly
> > impressive.
> > However--how shall I put this--David Icke is howling at the
> > gibbering in a straight jacket, mad as a hatter, goofy as a petrunning
> > racoon
> > INSANE! He actually believes that there are reptile people
> > the
> > planet--it just doesn't get much crazier than that. Yet his page
> > pulling traffic, he's selling books, and he's even on a speaking
> > tour.
> > Apparently, being out of your mind pays better than it used
> to. . ."
> > I post this as a caution to check out other people's suggested
> > lists, especially when they are by such way-out conspiracy
> > like David Icke and the others I have mentioned in other posts
> > As someone pointed out, "buyer beware!"
> > Mish