Re: Digest Number 199
- Hi, Sharon!
I don't care that much for country-western music, but I have
appreciated some of it of course and probably have a few CDs stuck
around somewhere! Brad Paisley "Fishing Song" sounds like fun!
Obviously, there is room for all kinds of expression and differing
appreciations. The problem with listening to the talks of people
like Klemp, Twitch, and other "leaders" of people is that the
listeners take too much to heart what these individuals say, and
copy them in all things--so they toss out things they enjoy because
the "mahanta" criticizes it! : )
I agree that Ford has been walking a fine line in what he allows
posters to post, and how he has "protected" some of his nutty
posters at the expense of other sincere seekers. Of course, as I
have mentioned in my posts here (and even there), the conspiracy
theory posts turned me off from participating on Ford's BBs. I find
it interesting that others on his sites have still spoken up about
the crazy posts, and now Ford is shifting it seems--but will he
really stop the unpopular posts as he has always leaned towards
supporting/defending Betty regardless of how much others criticize
both her and Mario! I also notice that either Betty or Mario are
allowed the last word in a dispute before Ford closes it down--so
Mario's last nasty post to those who objected to him is allowed to
stand while possible responses from Mykel, Sur, Priscus or even some
others will not be posted. This is a common pattern that can be seen
easily in checking the archives on Ford's sites--I'm not suggesting
anyone do this unless you are looking for entertainment on a slow
day! : )
Of course, Ford is "slicker" than Klemp--there is a huge difference
in intelligence and education here! : ) Not to mention how much
better a public speaker Ford is. Just imagine a debate between the
two on the order of our farcical presidential debates! LOL! And I
agree that he is not rid of the "eckie" think as well, but I do
think his intentions may be okay in that he wants to be different. I
wish he'd go about promoting his book more and getting it out there
for more eckists to read, and of course, to keep pointing out the
lies and deceptions of the eck org. However, he wants to create
something more . . . and it does get fuzzy as to what this really
is, and is questionable that it will just be another "movement" that
will misled people in the same ole samo fashion.
Ford's IRS problems are not something uncommon really and hopefully,
it has been resolved by now. I read a little bit about that
somewhere online--I guess the legal documents. Anyway, there was a
change in the IRS tax laws a few years back where employers have to
pay the withholding taxes of the their employees, I think, quarterly
now? Previous to that, it was a longer time period or an employer
could be late without being fined. This bill comes from the IRS to
the employer--it is the employer's bill not the employees. Many
employers would file this payment later, which was allowed without
penalty, but now the government wants the payment sooner and of
course the monies not used for other purposes. I think Ford was
waiting for some payments from his clients, many government
contracts, that were past due to him, and came up short in meeting
his payroll, so rather than not pay his employees he used the
withholding monies to pay them with the intent of paying the
withholding tax once Ford received his payment from the
government . . . it went along that line. It happened around the
time of the change in the IRS tax reform, and caught more than one
employer up short. I don't believe that Ford has ever declared
bankruptcy so I guess he has taken care of this problem with the
IRS. Any penalty, fines, etc. would be paid by Ford. I know a lot of
people are looking to find fault with Ford, but I don't think this
incident with the IRS was really a "slick" action as much as just a
misunderstanding of the change in the IRS law and forms. People in
general, including myself big time, do not want to mess with the
IRS. I would have to say I fear the wrath of the IRS far more than
anything else, including the kal which might very well be the
IRS! : ) Ford really is not so stupid to have done something that
would bring the IRS down on him. Prior to 9-11, I venture to say
that the IRS was the greatest fear that most people had in this
country! Now we add terrorists to the mix, but frankly I still fear
the IRS more! LOL!
Well, anyway, it is hard to say from my perspective where Ford and
his org is heading, but I do not want to knock him down because his
book really needs to be continually promoted. It's too bad he
doesn't just go after Eckankar and such fraulent orgs more--finish
the job, so to speak!
But Ford's BBs like many others that reference eckankar can be
interesting at times. There are some very sincere and nice people
who are trying to speak out and also to listen. Great really!
I just read a post on A.R.E. this morning where a lot of discussions
are going back and forth between the swordsmen of the eck and the
detractors. Very vocal now! I may try to repost this new post which
involves Leaf, Mr. Peabodies Buddy, and of course Cher! It's topic
#4686 "The real post of the week." Interesting how Cher proves Leaf
and Mr. Peabodies Buddy's points--here's a bit of what Cher wrote:
"In the broad spectrum of human nature and individuality we find a
necessity for maturing, of learning and the most important
lesson . . . accepting divine Love. Not presenting oneself in the
role of being a loving person, but of accepting God's Love. . . " So
I guess this is why Cher can be so unloving to others while
proclaiming that her spiritual path is legitimate, the most direct
path to God, etc. She further mentions that detractors are "standing
on the sidelines" just criticizing--and that this criticism is
indicative of "vanity" and "a lack of humility." But isn't it vain
to suggest that eckankar is the only "real" game in town, and
doesn't it seem that Cher is the one "lacking in humility" when she
considers her path the one of greater awareness and spirituality,
etc.? So the beat goes on! : ) (I think eventually, though, all
this time Cher spends arguing about and supporting eckankar will
lead her to the truth and she will drop out like the rest of us--
right now she's too busy chasing that carrot dangling on that
crooked stick--she must want to be an H.I. real bad! Seems like it
is taking her a long time, though! Do you think she has been black-
balled a couple of times? LOL!)
Anyway, thanks for the post, Sharon--and glad you have your computer
problems under control again!
Hugs to you, too!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Sharon
>looking for - exactly what Klemp said about not listening to country
> There are 3 messages in this issue.
> Topics in this digest:
> 1. A repost from HCS Nov. 16th 2005
> From: "freetoseektruth"
> 2. Re: A repost from HCS Nov. 16th 2005
> From: "mishmisha9"
> 3. An End to Conspiracy Postings on TS/HCS?
> From: "prometheus_973"
> Hi Everyone!
> Well, I guess I've got to look back further to find what I'm
music. I'd skimmed over it awhile back.
>familiar with it, actually. Anyway, for a few years I lived at the
> I used to think I didn't like country music, but I wasn't that
foot of this little mountain that blocked radio signals from
everything but country & Christian, and I've learned to appreciate
it. Brad Paisley's "Fishing Song" is *such* a hoot!! And there's
another one that tells a beautiful story - a man helps a woman
change her tire, he refuses money so she ends up giving the money to
a tired pregnant waitress, who turns out to be the wife of the guy
who'd changed the tire.
>stopped listening to my favorite rock music because Twitch or Klemp
> Anyway, I learned I wasn't the only eckist who'd almost totally
said it was "lower", what we felt from it was "astral". When I
got out, I blasted my favorite Rolling Stones music and danced right
there in the living room! And I had the thought, shouldn't we be
able to worship *totally*? All of those so-called "lower" states
are part of us, and I don't think splitting them all up and labeling
them differently serves any useful purpose, other than making people
think they've gotta stay "above" all that, and the only way to do
that is to keep paying your "protection" money.
>selling very wel!!
> Betcha Klemp said that because cult music tapes haven't been
>was about to go out of print, there'd be mention of it somewhere, a
> I sort of wondered a few times, I seem to recall when a cultbook
special little "ad" in the Mystic World or something - and I
remember an HI announcing that we'd better hurry and get a copy
before they were all gone forever.
>has to depend on volunteer followers to go get him more customers.
> Anyway, this Ford Johnson stuff is a hoot! His problem is, he
He's got to walk a fine line there - will B & M's "conspiracy" stuff
attract more paying members, or is it a turn-off for people?
>IRS? I've still never gotten an answer - if your employer has
> And has he ever straightened out his little problem with the
stolen the tax money he's withheld from your paycheck, using it to
pay *his* tax bill and not yours, when tax time comes do you end up
owing that money?
>Twitch starting up e-kult - except Johnson's a lot slicker and
> Watching Johnson work is like going back in time and seeing
more "professional". Plus, unlike Twitch, who knew *exactly* what
he was doing, Johnson's still very much an HI - he's gone from being
a "chosen people" to Messiah.
>that's compatible with being a cult member at *any* level.
> I think it's a matter of self-honesty. And that's not something
>the cult, but getting the cult out of the man takes time and a bit
> I feel sorry for the man, actually. You can take the man out of
of work. You don't simply wake up one morning and find that 30
years of cult programming is erased.
> Well, have a great weekend, everyone!