It was announced in one of the Mystic Worlds awhile
back that both Marge & Joan got initiated at the same
seminar, along with a few other people whose names
were listed. I believe it was the 8th. I posted
about it on a.r.e. but can't find the post.
I remember when I first joined, reading that
initiation levels were supposed to be kept secret. So
I thought it was strange when the numbers were
revealed so often in the Mystic World.
On Joe Sykes - you know, part of me isn't exactly
comfortable about having his story posted without all
the other relevant info, which I've got on an old hard
drive & need to get back on the internet.
Back in '98, Joe had a website up, and he also posted
now & then at a.r.e. It's sort of a long &
complicated story - he was very frightened and
threatened Klemp, got arrested, went back to England,
British courts decided he was basically okay and could
go to law school & practice law. Anyway, there were
lawsuits being filed on both sides, I remember one
where the court referred to eckankar as a "cult-like"
organization, and chastized them for all their legal
trickery and holding things up. Anyway, Joe missed
one important filing deadline because of exams, so all
the suits fizzled out. Now, some of the things he
posted on the internet went much too far so I believe
that eventually he was legally ordered to stay off the
When I saw his story as an eckist, I was *horrified*
and couldn't understand how this could happen to an
eckist. And I was even more disturbed at the hateful
reactions of other eckists, who didn't seem to care at
all how this happened....where was the love? Where
was the compassion and understanding? So after I
left, I got in touch with him and got to know him
If he'd been able to get into court, I think he had a
pretty good case. If he'd won, he planned to turn the
"temple" into a center to help cult victims. But
e-kult played all the legal games they could, and few
people have the financial resources to fight cults.
Anyway, for quite awhile I thought Joe might not have
made it, and might have ended up committing suicide.
But fairly recently I ran across his old emails, the
last one, and I believe I might have read it wrong, I
think he was okay and just legally ordered off the
internet, and totally away from anything to do with
I've really gotta get my lazy behind moving on that
new website. In fact, years ago Joe Sykes sent me an
excellent outline to use - I'm pretty sure I saved it
somewhere, I remember it was at my old "remarq" email
account - it is *so* annoying when email sites would
go down, I wasn't always able to get everything
"important" moved & saved somewhere else.
Okay, this was just a quickie, sorry I can't
participate more, right now I'm just working on the
pile in the inbox, starting at the top, I've got
emails that came in on Tuesday that I haven't read yet
- including one from my daughter! That's *really*
Happy Halloween, everyone!!