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  • le_anne_thompson
    are there any teachings ofpaul twitchell that are worth readingat all? I know harolds is fabricated.
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 6, 2013
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      are there any teachings ofpaul twitchell that are worth readingat all? I know harolds is fabricated.


    • prometheus_973
      IMO the only book of Twitchell s that is worth a read is: Difficulties Of Becoming The Living ECK Master. This book was published by Eckankar in 1980 and
      Message 2 of 10 , Oct 15, 2013
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        IMO the only book of 

        Twitchell's that is worth 

        a read is: 

        "Difficulties Of Becoming 

        The Living ECK Master." 


        This book was published

        by Eckankar in 1980 and 

        compiled by Bernadine

        Burlin from Paul's early

        tapes donated by Patti 

        Simpson and Anya Foos-

        Graber. Three of the tapes

        were from interviews in

        June 1971.


        There are additional

        articles from "The Mystic

        World by Sri Paul Twitchell"

        (from Jan-Feb-March 1969 

        until his translation, death).


        Plus, "Some Chela Letters

        to Paulji."


        Additionally, Anya Foos-Garber

        made available the tapes of

        the last meeting Paul held

        with several devoted Initiates

        just hours before his translation.

        "The Last Words Of Sri Paul 

        Twitchell In Cincinnati" comprise

        excerpts of these tape transcripts. 


        It's an interesting book

        because Darwin Gross

        and company reported

        it as it was without doing

        the edits that Klemp is

        known for. One can catch

        Twitchell in a number of

        lies and in the interviews 

        he lets his guard down

        and is honest, at times,

        and this gives us some

        insight into his deceptiveness

        and narcissism. 


        Paul's account of his WWII 

        service where he brags

        about how he created

        chaos in order to get

        out of duty during wartime

        was a real eye opener

        and showed the extent 

        of Twitchell's megalomania.


        On page 48 we read about

        Twitchell's first meeting with

        970th LEM Sudar Singh (in

        Paris) at the age of "about 16"

        and of, supposedly, his first 

        trip to India. This would make 

        the date 1924 since even 

        Klemp has confirmed that 

        Twitchell was born in 1908. 


        It should be noted that even

        Klemp, on Eckankar's Internet

        site, pointed out that Twitchell

        was lying about having traveled

        anywhere far from home in 1935

        at age 27 when he was trying

        to get into "Who's Who in Kentucky."


        Thus, Twitchell being handed

        off to Rebazar for further training

        on two additional trips to India

        are lies as well. The trips to India

        and the Rebazar character are lies. 

        Therefore, the Initiations and the 

        Mastership which was handed to 

        Gross and to Klemp (by the fictitious 

        Rebazar) were/are lies too!  


        The lies of this trip with his 

        sister begin on page 38. Even

        ECKist Doug Marman has

        said that Twitchell deceived

        people about this trip since

        Paul's sister Katie (Kay-Dee)

        was studying art in Paris, KY.

        versus Paris, France. 

        Therefore, how could they

        have met Sudar (a.k.a. Kirpal)

        Singh and followed him

        to India for 10 months? 

        It's another lie and proves 

        that Eckankar is built upon 

        foundation of lies originating

        with Twitchell. 


        Anyway, lots of luck on 

        finding this book. Eckankar

        under Klemp bought up 

        and destroyed all available

        copies. I still have mine

        however!


        Prometheus







        ---In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

        are there any teachings ofpaul twitchell that are worth readingat all? I know harolds is fabricated.


      • noneckchains
        Fascinating! Since the book is out of print, I wonder if it is possible to make it into a PDF book. I d like to read this book, now that I know what it is
        Message 3 of 10 , Oct 15, 2013
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          Fascinating! Since the book is out of print, I wonder if it is possible to make it into a PDF book. I'd like to read this book, now that I know what it is really about.


          Non (-:\



          ---In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          IMO the only book of 

          Twitchell's that is worth 

          a read is: 

          "Difficulties Of Becoming 

          The Living ECK Master." 


          This book was published

          by Eckankar in 1980 and 

          compiled by Bernadine

          Burlin from Paul's early

          tapes donated by Patti 

          Simpson and Anya Foos-

          Graber. Three of the tapes

          were from interviews in

          June 1971.


          There are additional

          articles from "The Mystic

          World by Sri Paul Twitchell"

          (from Jan-Feb-March 1969 

          until his translation, death).


          Plus, "Some Chela Letters

          to Paulji."


          Additionally, Anya Foos-Garber

          made available the tapes of

          the last meeting Paul held

          with several devoted Initiates

          just hours before his translation.

          "The Last Words Of Sri Paul 

          Twitchell In Cincinnati" comprise

          excerpts of these tape transcripts. 


          It's an interesting book

          because Darwin Gross

          and company reported

          it as it was without doing

          the edits that Klemp is

          known for. One can catch

          Twitchell in a number of

          lies and in the interviews 

          he lets his guard down

          and is honest, at times,

          and this gives us some

          insight into his deceptiveness

          and narcissism. 


          Paul's account of his WWII 

          service where he brags

          about how he created

          chaos in order to get

          out of duty during wartime

          was a real eye opener

          and showed the extent 

          of Twitchell's megalomania.


          On page 48 we read about

          Twitchell's first meeting with

          970th LEM Sudar Singh (in

          Paris) at the age of "about 16"

          and of, supposedly, his first 

          trip to India. This would make 

          the date 1924 since even 

          Klemp has confirmed that 

          Twitchell was born in 1908. 


          It should be noted that even

          Klemp, on Eckankar's Internet

          site, pointed out that Twitchell

          was lying about having traveled

          anywhere far from home in 1935

          at age 27 when he was trying

          to get into "Who's Who in Kentucky."


          Thus, Twitchell being handed

          off to Rebazar for further training

          on two additional trips to India

          are lies as well. The trips to India

          and the Rebazar character are lies. 

          Therefore, the Initiations and the 

          Mastership which was handed to 

          Gross and to Klemp (by the fictitious 

          Rebazar) were/are lies too!  


          The lies of this trip with his 

          sister begin on page 38. Even

          ECKist Doug Marman has

          said that Twitchell deceived

          people about this trip since

          Paul's sister Katie (Kay-Dee)

          was studying art in Paris, KY.

          versus Paris, France. 

          Therefore, how could they

          have met Sudar (a.k.a. Kirpal)

          Singh and followed him

          to India for 10 months? 

          It's another lie and proves 

          that Eckankar is built upon 

          foundation of lies originating

          with Twitchell. 


          Anyway, lots of luck on 

          finding this book. Eckankar

          under Klemp bought up 

          and destroyed all available

          copies. I still have mine

          however!


          Prometheus







          ---In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          are there any teachings ofpaul twitchell that are worth readingat all? I know harolds is fabricated.


        • prometheus_973
          I did have some info sent to me and was offered it in PDF format. Here s the site for Difficulties Of Becoming The Living ECK Master:
          Message 4 of 10 , Oct 19, 2013
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            I did have some info sent to me 

            and was offered it in PDF format.

            Here's the site for Difficulties Of

            Becoming The Living ECK Master:

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/176832424/DOBTLEM-Extracts-1971-09-16-Pub-1980 



            ---In eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com, <eckchains@...> wrote:

            Fascinating! Since the book is out of print, I wonder if it is possible to make it into a PDF book. I'd like to read this book, now that I know what it is really about.


            Non (-:\



            ---In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            IMO the only book of 

            Twitchell's that is worth 

            a read is: 

            "Difficulties Of Becoming 

            The Living ECK Master." 


            This book was published

            by Eckankar in 1980 and 

            compiled by Bernadine

            Burlin from Paul's early

            tapes donated by Patti 

            Simpson and Anya Foos-

            Graber. Three of the tapes

            were from interviews in

            June 1971.


            There are additional

            articles from "The Mystic

            World by Sri Paul Twitchell"

            (from Jan-Feb-March 1969 

            until his translation, death).


            Plus, "Some Chela Letters

            to Paulji."


            Additionally, Anya Foos-Garber

            made available the tapes of

            the last meeting Paul held

            with several devoted Initiates

            just hours before his translation.

            "The Last Words Of Sri Paul 

            Twitchell In Cincinnati" comprise

            excerpts of these tape transcripts. 


            It's an interesting book

            because Darwin Gross

            and company reported

            it as it was without doing

            the edits that Klemp is

            known for. One can catch

            Twitchell in a number of

            lies and in the interviews 

            he lets his guard down

            and is honest, at times,

            and this gives us some

            insight into his deceptiveness

            and narcissism. 


            Paul's account of his WWII 

            service where he brags

            about how he created

            chaos in order to get

            out of duty during wartime

            was a real eye opener

            and showed the extent 

            of Twitchell's megalomania.


            On page 48 we read about

            Twitchell's first meeting with

            970th LEM Sudar Singh (in

            Paris) at the age of "about 16"

            and of, supposedly, his first 

            trip to India. This would make 

            the date 1924 since even 

            Klemp has confirmed that 

            Twitchell was born in 1908. 


            It should be noted that even

            Klemp, on Eckankar's Internet

            site, pointed out that Twitchell

            was lying about having traveled

            anywhere far from home in 1935

            at age 27 when he was trying

            to get into "Who's Who in Kentucky."


            Thus, Twitchell being handed

            off to Rebazar for further training

            on two additional trips to India

            are lies as well. The trips to India

            and the Rebazar character are lies. 

            Therefore, the Initiations and the 

            Mastership which was handed to 

            Gross and to Klemp (by the fictitious 

            Rebazar) were/are lies too!  


            The lies of this trip with his 

            sister begin on page 38. Even

            ECKist Doug Marman has

            said that Twitchell deceived

            people about this trip since

            Paul's sister Katie (Kay-Dee)

            was studying art in Paris, KY.

            versus Paris, France. 

            Therefore, how could they

            have met Sudar (a.k.a. Kirpal)

            Singh and followed him

            to India for 10 months? 

            It's another lie and proves 

            that Eckankar is built upon 

            foundation of lies originating

            with Twitchell. 


            Anyway, lots of luck on 

            finding this book. Eckankar

            under Klemp bought up 

            and destroyed all available

            copies. I still have mine

            however!


            Prometheus







            ---In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            are there any teachings ofpaul twitchell that are worth readingat all? I know harolds is fabricated.


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