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  • Janice Pfeiffer
    Well it can be some what disconcerting when you get to the point that you feel there is you and only you scripting the movie called life.  I think all of us
    Message 1 of 2 , Aug 30, 2013
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      Well it can be some what disconcerting when you get to the point that you feel there is you and only you scripting the movie called life.  I think all of us would feel better if we got absolute proof that God is in heaven and he knows us, loves us and is protecting us.  Eventually, those of us who take the time to look, find that it just ain't so and if there is a Big Seer of all things, he really is not directly involved with us at all.  Now that is enough to leave the faint of heart shaking in its shoes.  But then again, for those who did seek and did not find, it can be a freeing experience because come what may, there is no need to go ask said Big Seer, what to do, how to feel and what's it going to cost me.  It's kind a neat knowing you make the rules, you pull the strings and you are dancing to the tune of your own making.  And further more, it don't matter a good GD what the rest of the world thinks about it.  How more free is that? 
       
      So most of us found the org, hoping to find the answers we didn't get elsewhere. Now it wasn't delivered to me in the way that I expected or they might have hoped for.  But once I was clear of that raunchy org, I did find the ability to answer my own questions. And that is why I am grateful to that org.  It's a shame they would not approve of my gratitude.  Ya Think?

      From: Gnothe Seauton <prometheus_973@...>
      To: "eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com" <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:50 PM
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Fw: Your technique please:
       
      Hello Keefer and All,
      I received this email a few 
      days ago and didn't know 
      how to respond except to
      say that we are all our own
      'spiritual technique.' 

      I used to meditate but now 
      I do so only on occasion. 
      I've found HU to be an 
      easy mantra and I use 
      it physiologically to calm
      the mind. For me, there 
      are no connections to eck 
      or to any religious dogma.
      I've disassociated this word/
      sound to eckankar, to sant 
      mat, and to religion per se. 

      IMO, all religions are 
      false teachings.

      If anyone would like to 
      share their own thoughts 
      about akatha, eckankar, 
      or other 'techniques' and
      what you use or don't use
      please feel free to speak
      your mind and to opine.

      Prometheus

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      From: keefer 
      Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 
      Subject: Your technique please:
      Hello Prometheus, I ran across your article from akatha, I wanted to get the technique from you, I have been practicing for 4yrs but nothings happening, was initiated by a sant mat guru from beas India and doing the akatha exercises also. Im not good with organizations and attending meetings/satsangs and getting programmed with only their instructions. I try to keep myself open to receive new information when it comes my way.  I do have a consistent meditation practice though. I just want real results.  keefe
    • prometheus_973
      Hello Janice and All, I enjoyed reading your insightful comments. Doesn t it seems somewhat strange that Eckists have bought into the whole goD thing? They,
      Message 2 of 2 , Sep 2, 2013
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        Hello Janice and All,

        I enjoyed reading your

        insightful comments.


        Doesn't it seems somewhat

        strange that Eckists 

        have bought into the

        whole goD thing? They, 

        think they are so open 

        minded but are merely 

        following the herd with 

        acceptance, faith and 

        belief in an imaginary

        world of powerful beings. 


        And, for EKists to think 

        Klemp was in the 'true' 

        spiritual hierarchy, just 

        under God, is the height 

        of their delusion! However, 

        he did include them down 

        the ladder from himself. 

        That was nice of him,

        except, for slowing down

        Initiations 28 years ago.

        But, at least Eckists are 

        miles higher in consciousness 

        than all non-Eckists. LOL!


        What egocentric and

        foolish thinking! Eckists

        practice narrow mindedness,

        just look at the books

        they read, the movies

        they watch, their friends 

        and their limited seminar 

        vacations! They refuse

        to read the truth about

        Eckankar because the

        truth hurts. And if It hurts 

        it must be bad and what's 

        bad is wrong and negative... 

        right? Thus, truth should 

        be avoided. That's the

        Easy Way! But, it's also

        the way of all religions

        and not just Eckankar.

         

        Oops! I've digressed 

        about hierarchies. PT, 

        DG, and HK made it seem 

        that having a hierarchy 

        and 'rankings' (initiations) 

        were connected to the 

        invisible/inner and in a 

        "spiritual" way, although,

        Initiations are only valid

        and used on the Outer

        and in this Real World.


        These (false prophets)

        always seem to use 

        God to justify the trickle-

        down effects. Actually,

        it's: As Below, So Above.

        Men have created their

        God/Gods in their image

        and then created religion

        to explain away the cosmos

        and, then, used Dogma 

        for the rules that benefit 

        themselves.


        Belief in God is psychosomatic

        and can act as a placebo

        for what ails you, until,

        what ails you kills you!

        But, religion acts as a

        distraction too. It's like 

        a hobby and a habit

        (a vocation for Klemp)

        to take the mind away

        from seeing a broader

        more exciting or frightening 

        view of life that's unique 

        to the human mind. 


        However, one of the

        more fulfilling aspects

        of life are with relationships.


        Unfortunately, religions

        tend to interfere with 

        these too. Eckists are 

        as judgmental as any

        religionist. And, if they're

        not in agreement on the

        M/LEM belief they will

        turn their backs on family

        just as some family members 

        will turn their backs on 

        them. Yet, either one is 

        claiming to be a member

        of a Love Based religion.

        That's what Eckankar 

        does, it breaks up families. 

        Klemp even encourages 

        this disenfranchisement 

        due to his own problems

        that he caused with his

        father. Thus, many Eckists

        have deprived themselves

        of meaningful relationships

        with family members due

        to Klemp's psychosis and

        arrested development.


        Yes, I too learned a lot

        from being an Eckist.

        It makes you even more

        grateful after leaving the

        org. And, afterwards, one

        is given such clarity of 

        mind! Quite amazing! The 

        more responsibilities and 

        stress one had as a H.I. 

        the more is lifted from

        one's shoulders. It's such

        a light airy feeling! And,

        contentment comes as

        well. I always thought

        that Contentment was 

        just a pipe dream until 

        experiencing it for such 

        a prolonged period, and

        in such a pure form, 

        after leaving the EK org.

        This was greater than 

        any experience I ever 

        had (and I had many

        phenomenal experiences)

        while a 30 + year member.


        That's another contention.

        Why does it take so long

        to advance in consciousness,

        i.e. initiations, if HK is the

        great master he claims

        and if eckankar is the

        advanced religion it claims

        to be with all of those 

        invisible/inner 'Masters' 

        everywhere that are helping

        EKists 24/7? If they are

        so advanced why are 

        they so screwed up and

        out-of-balance? See! If

        it doesn't make sense

        it's not true, especially,

        if you take a long hard

        look.


        Then again, ECKists aren't

        allowed to ask questions

        beyond the 2nd Initiation.

        Too many or the wrong

        questions will get an EKist

        shunned and Black Listed.

        It's not acceptable to question

        authority. They will always

        tell you to Take It To The

        Inner... sleep and dream

        on it and you'll give up

        asking and become Stepford

        like, passive and placid

        (brain-washed). People 

        on either side of an issue

        don't like confrontation so

        one learns to Keep Silent.

        Actually, is it any wonder

        that Silence is one of the 

        keys to becoming a good 

        ECKist!


        Prometheus   




        --- In eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com, <jepfeiffer@...> wrote:

        Well it can be some what disconcerting when you get to the point that you feel there is you and only you scripting the movie called life.  I think all of us would feel better if we got absolute proof that God is in heaven and he knows us, loves us and is protecting us.  Eventually, those of us who take the time to look, find that it just ain't so and if there is a Big Seer of all things, he really is not directly involved with us at all.  Now that is enough to leave the faint of heart shaking in its shoes.  But then again, for those who did seek and did not find, it can be a freeing experience because come what may, there is no need to go ask said Big Seer, what to do, how to feel and what's it going to cost me.  It's kind a neat knowing you make the rules, you pull the strings and you are dancing to the tune of your own making.  And further more, it don't matter a good GD what the rest of the world thinks about it.  How more free is that? 
         
        So most of us found the org, hoping to find the answers we didn't get elsewhere. Now it wasn't delivered to me in the way that I expected or they might have hoped for.  But once I was clear of that raunchy org, I did find the ability to answer my own questions. And that is why I am grateful to that org.  It's a shame they would not approve of my gratitude.  Ya Think?

        From: Gnothe Seauton <prometheus_973@...>
        To: "eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com" <eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:50 PM
        Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Fw: Your technique please:
         
        Hello Keefer and All,
        I received this email a few 
        days ago and didn't know 
        how to respond except to
        say that we are all our own
        'spiritual technique.' 

        I used to meditate but now 
        I do so only on occasion. 
        I've found HU to be an 
        easy mantra and I use 
        it physiologically to calm
        the mind. For me, there 
        are no connections to eck 
        or to any religious dogma.
        I've disassociated this word/
        sound to eckankar, to sant 
        mat, and to religion per se. 

        IMO, all religions are 
        false teachings.

        If anyone would like to 
        share their own thoughts 
        about akatha, eckankar, 
        or other 'techniques' and
        what you use or don't use
        please feel free to speak
        your mind and to opine.

        Prometheus

        ----- Forwarded Message -----
        From: keefer 
        Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 
        Subject: Your technique please:
        Hello Prometheus, I ran across your article from akatha, I wanted to get the technique from you, I have been practicing for 4yrs but nothings happening, was initiated by a sant mat guru from beas India and doing the akatha exercises also. Im not good with organizations and attending meetings/satsangs and getting programmed with only their instructions. I try to keep myself open to receive new information when it comes my way.  I do have a consistent meditation practice though. I just want real results.  keefe
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