DUANE / Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] More on Duane (Heppner) From Alt.Religion
- Hello, nice to hear from you... You are some real funny kids... Its okay to get out of your Literal Self and go to The RealSide and contact Rebazar and Paul yourself, or Gopal Das or Fubbi... They are all waiting to hear from you... It takes courage to Be Real... Test it out yourself, then you will know for sure without all your guessing... Things do 'look' a particular way here and that is The RealTest... Have Fun Deciding! Also, a gift for you...
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From: "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 8:49:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] More on Duane (Heppner) From Alt.Religion
I saw your posting about
this Duane guy and thought
I'd share it here. If you have
anything to add please do so.
I guess that I just haven't been
following the crap like I used
to and wasn't aware of another
Twitchell Clone/Con. The only
reason I noticed him is that he
asked to be a member of this
group and I allowed it. We'll
see if/how he replies to the info
we've found and to our comments.
Author of books about Rebazar Tarzs, etc.
A quote by Duane:
"[....] Very few knew that Paul Twitchell handed
me The Rod of Power in 2001, with Harold and
an unconscious Joan standing in the background
and watching. Harold decided to go with his att-
itude about Joan and her relationship with The
Three Headed God instead of listening to The
So this person can write about Rebazar Tarzs,
the Rod of Power, etc. Interesting that is. And
the other groups like A.T.O.M., Dhunami, etc.
can do likewise. Even to the extent of writing
books (allegedly) dictated by Paul Twitchell.
Haven't researched these Heppner books much
at this time.
A quote from the Web site:
"[....] BOOK TWO...The present day life for Duane
and his training up to 2001, when Paul Twitchell
gave Duane 'The Rod of Power' for the first time.
Rebazar Tarzs once again takes Duane far past
The Gods of Man into The TruHeart of The ALL IS.
It took Duane 30 years to step into his first attempt
at a position most of this world knows nothing about.
Then Rebazar, with all The Real Universal Guides
and his friends Kathy and Beverly present put Duane
into 'The RealLight of The IS' for the second time in
So other people have experiences with Rebazar
Tarzs and the Rod of Power. Not only Graham F.
And (arguably so) not all people familiar with the
name Rebazar Tarzs believe "all" the stories out
The "authority" as to what be the legitimate his-
tory for Rebazar Tarzs (I imagine) could depend
on the leader, the organization and the dogma
that mentions him. I doubt that all parties agree
How could this happen? This is just a thought,
but it could happen if Rebazar Tarzs exists as
an imaginary character with no real verifiable &
credible history supported by empirical facts &
physical history (other than "stories"). It could
happen this way because nobody can claim a
REAL PHYSICAL HISTORY for a mythical, or
imaginary being! So Rebazar Tarzs could - in
effect - "belong" to everybody and anybody.
If Rebazar Tarzs were real, the "Torchbearer"
of Eckankar, wouldn't Eckankar Inc. have the
legal right to prevent others from "making up"
alternate histories? OK.
Because it has not happened & other groups
have claimed Rebazar Tarzs as master in their
own lineages, handing over a Rod of Power &
describing personal experiences with him, the
potential for various, even competing dogmas
looks very possible now and in the future. How
can this type of thing be resolved?
Just another reason I continue to research &
look for evidence about Rebazar Tarzs.
P.S. I need to determine Heppner's age, and
see if possible whether this person could be
Paul Twitchell reincarnate.
I've wondered about the latter, because Paul
died in 1971 and could easily be over thirty
years old (if reincarnated) by now.
In one of the Eckankar books I recall a being
telling Paul that even he would return some-
day. Meaning (IMO) that Paul would reincar-
nate into another physical body on Earth.
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On Jun 18, 3:48 pm, JR < johnrcl...@... > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 9:53 am, Etznab < etz...@... > wrote:
> > A quote by Duane:
> > "[....] Very few knew that Paul Twitchell handed
> > me The Rod of Power in 2001, with Harold and
> > an unconscious Joan standing in the background
> > and watching. Harold decided to go with his att-
> > itude about Joan and her relationship with The
> > Three Headed God instead of listening to The
> > RealGuidance...."
> > Etznab
> > P.S. I need to determine Heppner's age, and
> > see if possible whether this person could be
> > Paul Twitchell reincarnate.
Ask him. He's on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Duane-Heppner/1146615584
Rich Smith has respect for him, if you can squeeze it out of him.
Rebazar is on Facebook.http://tinyurl.com/rebazar
So if true that Paul Twitchell handed him
the Rod of Power ... umm, it could then
suggest Paul Twitchell has not yet been
[Just responding and babbling from here
on out :) Not speaking to any one person
I tend to think Paul Twitchell already has
been reincarnated. I tend to think people
use the names Paul Twitchell, Rebazar
Tarzs (and others) as "mediums" for the
communication of spiritual teachings &
principles. That's OK by me, so long as
I'm not expected to take literally there is
half a hundred hidden Masters dictating
to people on Earth. Telling them what to
say. It might be true, but I don't think it
true in each and every case. Sometimes
I think it's people's imaginations getting
information from the whatnots, whatever.
Not from some ancient yogi living at the
top of a mountain, etc. And sometimes
it's a person who is a good story teller
practicing his craft and making a living.
About the taking bits of stories literally,
this is probably my biggest concern as
far as history goes. Because, usually if
two or more different and contradictory
stated accounts of historical fact exist,
then either one, or both of them are not
Of course, from all the reported history
I have seen for Paul Twitchell and other
Masters, some of it is probably true &
correct. The difficulty I've found is when
looking for supporting evidence to rule
out pseudo history & found imagination
and belief to be the only verifiable and
This is all my opinion only and I'm not
trying to claim Mastership in a long line
of unbroken Masters. Rather, I like to
research about those who do. See what
people are saying / claiming and what
can be learned from all of it.
I think there is a difference between
actual & verifiable history vs. stories
and guesswork about what has been
lost. Where anybody & everybody is
free to make whatever fanciful stories
they like (for whatever purpose). And
if the actual truth cannot be verified by
others by supporting physical evidence
because none exists, I think there is
all the more tendency for people taking
liberty to embellish a story.
Forgive me I'm rambling.
When I first came across Paul T. and
his Eckankar writings, IMO they read
very well. Some fine stories with lots
of exoteric and esoteric teachings. It
was fun to read his books because, for
me (at the time), Eckankar added to &
appeared to teach more than any other
teaching I knew about. I think this is a
part of what Paul Twitchell did for many
people in the United States and around
the world who were not familiar with any
light and sound teachings, similar to
what a person might find via Shabda
I think there comes a point, however,
where a person naturally tends to un-
fold beyond what they learned in the
past. To take another step, so to speak,
and to "go further". This is where (IMO)
a "Master" becomes significant. One
that has gone further than the person
following their teachings. It can be an
aid on the path to have a "Master" for
one seeking guidance, and I believe
there is something to the phrase that
"When the chela is ready the Master
This is the whole thing really. What is
not so easy to describe without others
getting the wrong impression. I mean,
Who? or What? is "The Master". In my
opinion the exoteric dogma and popular
beliefs are somewhat like clouds that
hide the esoteric inner truth that only
an individual can comprehend / realize
on their own. For world history though,
which is another matter perhaps, what
helps is when people who know just go
ahead and tell the truth. Without going
and changing it for personal interests,
without fitting it to any particular organ-
izational religious dogma, without put-
ting it behind a veil of symbols making
it occult to only a select few, without
making claim that only one person on
Earth (or in the whole universe) must
be believed and taken for their word
above and beyond all other beings, etc.
At least, if the latter must be true, then
that person damn well better be telling
the truth! Not just another person who
is "playing" the part.
- This has been going on for decades now and every time it happens is more proof that eckankar is pathogenic. It's almost creepy how every eckie seems to adopt the same paternalistic condescending posture as soon as they start having "experiences" that confirm their personal fictions.
Eckankar/Klemp's signature arrogance gets served up like loads of delusional mystery sauce with every fastfood brainwash burger the cult sells. The "higher" they go, the more interchangeable as Leggo pieces the eckies become. Indistinguishable from each other especially the ones jacked up with their own personal rods of power. (How many are there now, anyway? They must hand those things out like Licorice Twizzles on the Astral Plane.)
Hey, it's okay to follow a cartoon religion, DUANE-O! The Power Rangers and The Kin of Atta are waiting for you too. IT'S ALL REAL in the pseudo multiverse of the cult-soaked cloak of consciousness. Good luck with your mission, Jedi!
> Hello, nice to hear from you... You are some real funny kids... Its okay to get out of your Literal Self and go to The RealSide and contact Rebazar and Paul yourself, or Gopal Das or Fubbi... They are all waiting to hear from you... It takes courage to Be Real... Test it out yourself, then you will know for sure without all your guessing... Things do 'look' a particular way here and that is The RealTest... Have Fun Deciding! Also, a gift for you...