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  • harrisonferrel
    My thoughts on this? Much time is spent with suppositions. Does god exist? Most likely not. There is no evidence except what people rationalize is evidence. I
    Message 1 of 17 , Apr 4, 2013
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      My thoughts on this?

      Much time is spent with suppositions. Does god exist? Most likely not. There is no evidence except what people rationalize is evidence. I agree about the lack of logic and posit: If god is all knowing all seeing and all loving, then there is a huge problem. No evil or suffering would take place. Ever. I tend to agree with Christopher Hitchens that God is Not Great. God would have to be a psychopath to allow what goes on here. The only explanations as to why are merely rationalizations in fear of letting go of this primitive idea that has never been substantiated.

      I have no belief in god, karma, spirit, etc. And it feels good. I remain open minded but thus far cannot commit to ideas that are without basis. How does this make me feel? Free. God was invented by man. If you understand history you will see that the idea of god was an evolution and not an epiphany. It's a pretty weak and immature worldview that leads one to think that there is a force that guides everything and has some sort of intelligence. To paraphrase Sam Harris, Just because we don't know what the answer is does not mean that there is no answer. I would rather admit that I am ignorant or uninformed than to say there is a god or supernatural world.

      And, yes, I've had plenty of "experiences," but now I understand what they were and I cannot say they were anything otherworldly.


      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "iam999freedom" <iam999freedom@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi, there is an issue that keeps cropping up and troubles me when I think of the Newton shootings and all the other tragedies in this world.
      >
      > When God,(if there is such a being) created this world, It obviously knew of the negative choices that people would make like the Newtown shootings, murder, rape, incest, child prostitution, the list goes on and on. Human free choice and perhaps subsequent karma has been used to explain away God's responsibilty for these hideous events.
      >
      > However, if the director of a play (God) creates characters in the play (humans) that It knows will make negative choices (because that's one of the main ways a human learns) does that not make God at least indirectly responsible for these tragedies? Just a thought that leads me to thinks:
      > 1. Maybe God is not as Loving as we are lead to believe.
      > 2. I have trouble believing in or wanting to follow such a Being.
      >
      > Any thoughts from others?
      >
      > Sincerely,
      > Freedom
      >
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer <jepfeiffer@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Well I guess I can say one positive thing and I would think religious leaders would focus on that angle.
      > >  
      > > There were teachers and school officials who died shielding children from the gunman and some even met him face to face unarmed trying to deter him from killing those children.
      > >  
      > > To me that is supreme love.  They put their own safety aside to save the lives of the more frail little children.  No one could demonstrate more love than they in those terrifying conditions. 
      > >  
      > > Bless all those who has to face this tragedy and may they all one day find peace concerning it
      > >
      > > --- On Mon, 12/17/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@>
      > > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] It's So Sad About the Newtown, CT. Shootings
      > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      > > Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 1:54 AM
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >  
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Hello All,
      > > I've been watching the
      > > TV coverage of this tragedy
      > > for a few days now. It
      > > makes one wonder how
      > > a mentally deranged
      > > young man can do such
      > > evil and to such innocent
      > > children... face-to-face!
      > >
      > > However, I found the
      > > religious take on all
      > > of it to be quite strange.
      > > Some of the comments
      > > in the prayers of the
      > > ministers were odd.
      > >
      > > One cleric said that
      > > it happened in order
      > > to have people to
      > > question life and to
      > > be able to go through
      > > their own transformation.
      > > Thus, it's a test!
      > >
      > > One guy mentioned that
      > > the children would not
      > > have to experience sin.
      > >
      > > "After passion comes
      > > compassion."
      > >
      > > I'm not sure why people
      > > were praying to God and
      > > talking to or beseeching
      > > God when he didn't offer
      > > up any protection to these
      > > innocent children. But,
      > > are innocent children in
      > > other countries protected
      > > from harm? It's like how
      > > Klemp protects his eckists.
      > >
      > > The Governor of CT. sounded
      > > like Peter Sellers in "Being There"
      > > when talking about after Winter
      > > there will be Spring and growth.
      > >
      > > There is belief that a grander
      > > plan is afoot and that it won't
      > > be revealed until you can no
      > > longer speak and share and
      > > this gives those left hope that
      > > the promises will be fulfilled.
      > >
      > > I'm thinking that Eckists
      > > are probably sad, too, but
      > > also think that they see it
      > > as karma being karma and
      > > that there is no death.
      > >
      > > "What is seen is temporary
      > > but what is unseen is eternal."
      > >
      > > Do clerics merely repeat what
      > > we already know or is it merely
      > > a pep talk while reminding
      > > us of what we are supposed
      > > to believe? Or, do they see
      > > themselves as the experts
      > > who have memorized scripture,
      > > dress up in special garments,
      > > while we regular people are
      > > the ignorant sheep meant to
      > > blindly follow?
      > >
      > > It is interesting to see a
      > > commonality of sorts, but
      > > individual choice seems to
      > > take precedence as it always
      > > will.
      > >
      > > prometheus
      > >
      >
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