You sure hit the nail on the head for me today. From the day I joined the org, the thought that kept going through my head each time I would have some weird experience with another eckist, was "where is the love". I kept telling myself that it must be there and I was not able to see it because I was so new to eck ways.
I fully agree with you. The only love in that org is the love generated by the loving individuals within and it has nothing to do with the org. They were just loving people by nature while most of the others were childish, back biting, gossipy, anger filled, mixed up people.
Maybe the org has a way of accentuating what is already in a person be it good or bad and the individual thinks it is the eck at work.
Even when seeing hk speaking by video, I did not sense any real love and there was a time when I considered his love for chelas must be the tough love kind and I also considered that maybe I saw that because it might be the tough love kind I myself needed.
Once when I asked a female HI about why there seemed to be so little love in the center, I was accused of being judgmental. I firmly denied that by telling her that I had not named any names. It was simply my perception that this was so and it was difficult for me to understand because these were supposed to be really spiritual people. I freely admitted that the difference between what I read and what I saw in the org was a real problem for me. She had no reply at all. Funny thing though, I heard the words "and these are supposed to be really spiritual people" used to describe the acts of people in other faiths and I wondered if my words had been repeated in some function for HIs because I heard it again and again.
When I left the org, I had about decided that HI's used eckankar to excuse all there short comings and used the same things to judge those under them. I saw them as being very small minded in general and most of them relished the little power they felt they were granted by their position.
Several years went by and I saw less and less of real signs of love in that org and when the truth was inadvertently revealed to me about how the initiations came about, it was time to go. It was a real relief to see that my experiences had nothing to do with me personally. The only thing to learn from it was that I had bought into a fake and I needed to accept it and move on.
I believe my stay in the org would have been greatly shortened had I been able to see sooner what silly minded, arrogant, frustrated little people they were. I was blinded by the teachings. I kept hoping to see something genuine, something spiritual, something significantly special. On the inner I felt I had something. On the outer, the org appeared a mess.
Attending a world wide conference gave me no different impressions. They were just people who appeared to have less going on for them than the general population really. They died from serious ailments. They suffered serious misfortunes. They suffered in confusion like most lost souls do. Their beloved org added nothing to their lives other than additional burdens to do the will of the org and the lem. There was no sign of anything great or spectacular going on.
My experiences taught me one thing that lasted. That was to never put aside what was true for me in favor of what was believed by others no matter how many or how convincing they might be. I trust myself first as long as I understand my own motivations. There has to be elements of self deception while being deceived by others. At least you give up objectivity because you desire what you are hearing to be true.
It must be a bitter pill to swallow indeed to spend 20 to 30 or more years in an org before finding the need to get out. All of you here are such extraordinary people to me, that I must think that time for leaving most come for the best ones and surely, the org must really feel the loss of so many wonderful, loving, enlightened individuals. I am grateful for the opportunity to read your words and know your experiences. Being in the org was worth it if for no other reason than to see the beauty that has come from surviving it. Thank you all.
--- On Sat, 3/23/13, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] The Mystic World of Eckankar 12/2012
Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 9:16 PM
The title of Klemp's front
page article is:
"It's Always about People
and the Love They Carry."
Of course, this statement isn't
true of how Eckankar works
because it's not what Klemp,
himself, believes. It's simply
more smoke and mirrors and
a deception. Klemp has always
put down love and sentiment
for non-ECK family members
and friends. Look at HK's own
life and how he turned his back
on his father. With Klemp people
have always come `after' the
ECKankar Corporation. Mocking
up love and concern doesn't
work. Plus, Eckankar doesn't
take care of their own. Once
you've joined jumping through
the hoops for initiations become
the main distraction.
So, we have to ask ourselves
what's this new shtick all about?
Ah, here's what it's all about.
In his article Klemp mentions
that the "perceptive" pastor of
the "fastest growing"
the state of Minnesota said,
"Really, people are looking for
relationships today... a place
that's vibrant and full of faith.
You can almost walk into a
church and tell it's there."
One has to wonder why the
`Mahanta' wasn't as "perceptive?"
Klemp responds with, "Relationships,
yes, BUT more precisely, it's all about
Really? "It's all about love?" Because
I've heard non-ECKists say that often.
And, I knew of some ECKists that were
criticized for simplifying the EK message
by repeating this constantly.
Actually, I made friends with one
such ECKist, a 4th, when he came
to Minneapolis for seminars and
we kept in touch. He was a 4th for
a very long time and his wife was
an H.I. He was a jovial sort of guy
and very dedicated to the EK and
to the Mahanta. He loved to HU.
However, I heard through the
grapevine (lamppost) that he wasn't
presenting himself nor the teachings
of Eckankar as well as the RESAs
thought he should. The EK message
wasn't as simple as, "It's all about
love." That didn't fly. They expected
to hear more dialogue and didn't
think he was "well balanced in the
teachings of the ECK." Anyway, he
became sick, over time, and died
without getting his 5th. It was sad.
Imagine those last days of his and
not having that 5th... which is really
no big deal to give a long-time
dedicated ECKist in good standing.
Why were his RESAs so heartless?
All they had to do was to okay his
promotion when the list came down
2-3 times per year. It seems they
were too involved with the heartless
Guidelines and subjective opinion
rather than doing the right thing.
Where was this "love" and the "Heart"
that Klemps likes to talk and talk
about? It isn't there with many Eckists!
There's just too much focus
slowing-down initiations with
As Above, So Below... the RESAs
take their lead from Klemp... it's
a facade to keep the Radhasoami
EK teachings and the lies of Twitchell
"pure." That's why Klemp has attempted
to Christianize Eckankar, plus, he
was a ministerial student so he's
going with what he knows. Christianity
is big money so by making Eckankar
a better alternative to Judeo-Christianity
and working Jesus' teachings of "love"
into the mix should bear fruit!
However, that 2nd initiate thing
with Jesus isn't so good. That
has to be spun differently or just
omitted! Actually, only old-timers
even remember it. Klemp has eliminated
many of Twitchell's books. Remember,
Twitchell stated that Jesus was
a 2nd Initiate and, later, Klemp
claimed to be a boyhood friend
of Jesus in a past life. Too weird
and obviously a lie. This is why
Eckankar is seen as a cult. If you
can believe this crap you must
either be brainwashed or brain-
Anyway, Klemp goes on to tell
about how an EK Staffer (Sheri)
at the ESC has helped people
when they call in. She listens
to their problems and talks
about how Eckankar is better
than other religions and makes
suggestions about HUing.
One person was a First
Initiate and was destitute,
homeless and alone. She
was seeking counseling,
but was told that Eckankar,
instead, offered Spiritual
Here's what's interesting.
"She had done that. BUT
Sheri listened." Yes, she
already had a Spiritual Aide
session and it didn't help
her! HK seems to just mention
this in passing and I doubt
if most ECKists noticed it.
Why wasn't the first S.A.
session helpful? What went
wrong? Let's face facts,
a Spiritual Aide is a 6th
Initiate and has
35 plus years in Eckankar.
And, they are all supposed
to be linked to the ECK.
Was it the chicken or the
egg at fault? It had to be
the First Initiate's fault..
So, the 1st Initiate states
that she used to be Catholic
and mentions the Dark Night
of Soul and Sheri says, yes,
we have that too in Eckankar.
Of course Eckankar does!
Twitchell stole this too! He
converted to Catholicism
while working on his plans
to create Eckankar. Klemp
has mentioned this too.
So, Sheri states that, "What
sets Eckankar apart from
other religions is that it gives
us the tools we need when we
face difficulties. One of the
main tools is Gratitude."
I didn't think Eckankar was
supposed to degrade other
religions? Don't other religions
show gratitude? Sure! There
are even traditional ceremonies
for this! Even in the secular
world we show gratitude
Thanksgiving. However, I
will say that instead of a
beseeching or asking for
things that a "Thank You"
sometimes is nice. If you
believe that a Mahanta or
some Supreme Being is
controlling your life, or
afterlife, for the better...
So, EKists are to be grateful
for what? Remembering to
be grateful, or for sporadic
feel-good religious dogma?
If All You Need Is Love, or
"It's all about love" then why
is the EK dogma and teachings
so confined and limited? If
loving relationships are
important why does Klemp
separate ECKists from their
non-ECK families? It's really
all about the one-sided narrow
view that Klemp generally
promotes... Mahnata codependence.
Perhaps this article is to inspire
EKists to be nicer at EK Centers
so that membership numbers
increase. It's a pep talk of sorts.
HK: "At calls end, she said
the big difference in Eckankar
the love she felt."
Not really! She felt love
coming from one person,
Sheri, because "love," per
se, has nothing to do with
religious dogma. Atheists
can Love and demonstrate
Love to others! It happens
all the time.... as does hate!
Next, Sheri talks to another
caller who had met a cab driver
who gave him a HU card and
taught him how to HU. The
driver suggested he call the
Kind of pushy isn't it? What
ever happened to the ECK
Law of Non-Interference?
And, Klemp states that ECKists
don't proselytize. Yet, we're
reading about ECKists trying
to convert people with their
ideas and religion by shoving
HU cards at them. Aren't
The caller asked Sheri, "How
can I use HU for things to get
better?" She explained, "HU
is an undirected prayer. It
allows everything to come
into its rightful place... When
we sing HU, we open
to receiving love, and singing
HU is an act of love." The true
behavior of ECKists outside
in the real world will show if
this is a true statement. IMO,
the HU is a prayer/meditation
of neutrality & Non-Interference.
One could use AUM with the
same results... it's a placebo.
Therefore, HUing acts as a
form of meditation to alleviate
stress. "It allows everything
to come into its rightful place?"
That sounds good but it's just
part of the con. What does it
really mean? It means Whatever!
Good or Bad just have faith and
believe like all the other religionists.
Klemp ends his little pep talk
by saying, "Isn't it always about
people and the love they carry?"
Of course, Klemp has a short
and a selective memory. Is it
dementia? Remember that time
when Joan's ego got the best
of her and she felt she had a
problem with a temporary postal
clerk because he asked to see
her I.D. BEFORE looking for
her package. Joan got huffy
and was still irritated when she
got home because she told
Harold all about it (from her pov).
Klemp's temper got the best of
him. How dare a mere temporary
postal clerk treat Joan just like
everyone else! Klemp wrote a
nasty response insulting the
postal worker in the H.I. Letter.
[I believe it's in the FILES section]
What was odd is that HK had
plenty of time to reflect and calm
down before allowing it to go into
print. Where was the "love" then?