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  • Diana Stanley
    the reason Darwin choose harold was because he felt he could control him. Harold was going to be the Master and darwin would be the Mahanta That way Darwin
    Message 1 of 1 , Feb 11, 2013
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      the reason Darwin choose harold was because he felt he could control him. Harold was going to be the Master and darwin would be the Mahanta That way Darwin could stay in power and harold could do all the piesky stuff like seminars and personal stuff. Darwin wanted to have the freedom to live his life with out having his actions being judged. The board at that time wanted Darwin out and forced Harold to get him out.
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      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" wrote:
      >
      > Hello Femsage,
      > Thanks for sharing your
      > thoughts and experiences.
      > [This post has been revised]
      >
      > Yes, Eckankar's pecking
      > order is not a "spiritual"
      > one, but their three leaders,
      > PT, DG, and HK have said
      > it was. Therefore EKists
      > will believe this because
      > they've put their trust in
      > people who have claimed
      > to be "Masters" but have
      > ulterior motives.
      >
      > When selling a religion the
      > conmen, and it's always
      > men, have to make "spiritual"
      > claims.
      >
      > After the founder, Twitchell,
      > established his religion
      > the wannabes, like with
      > Darwin Gross and Harold
      > Klemp, started to line up.
      > It, now, comes down to
      > inheriting the position.
      > Most religions work this
      > way. With Gross he was
      > assisted by the founder's
      > wife whom with he was
      > having an affair.
      >
      > When the founder can't
      > pass the power and title
      > on, then, it becomes a
      > political power play
      > which is always suspect.
      > Klemp's inheritance is
      > even more suspect since
      > it was tied to a corrupted
      > leader passing it on as
      > though he had the "spiritual"
      > ability/authority and
      > validation to do so.
      >
      > However, Klemp, after the
      > fact, brought the fictional
      > EK Master Rebazar into play
      > in order to give himself added
      > validation in order to silence
      > his critics. Klemp learned
      > from seeing what Twitchell
      > had done when he, too,
      > came under criticism and
      > created the story and character
      > of Rebazar Tarzs.
      >
      > PT created Rebazar in order
      > to silence his critics by assigning/
      > initiating himself to a realm
      > of All Knowingness, in order
      > to have validation and spiritual
      > authority over all other "Masters."
      >
      > Now comes Klemp and the
      > trickle-down effect of a
      > spiritual hierarchy in a new
      > way via the RESA structure,
      > a new take on the old versions
      > of typical "physical plane"
      > hierarchies. Klemp became
      > somewhat paranoid via his
      > own nefarious take over and
      > saw the need to keep people
      > under his control and on a
      > short leash.
      >
      > True, Eckankar is run some-
      > what like a corporate hierarchy
      > and it's even run like a political
      > hierarchy. But, in many ways
      > it's more strict and has more
      > incompetence and, therefore,
      > it is run more like a military
      > hierarchy.
      >
      > The physical plane Hierarchy
      > of Eckankar isn't discussed in
      > detail for outsiders, but there
      > are Flow Charts available that
      > show the main org at the ESC
      > and how these organizational
      > branches of the Satsang
      > Societies' positions relate to
      > these.
      >
      > Locally, everyone falls under
      > the RESA, but there are certain
      > positions that report to others
      > under the RESA and some have
      > a counterpart at the ESC. Also,
      > these ESC counterparts can be
      > contacted, at times, and generally
      > have the last word involving
      > a specific area of expertise/
      > responsibility which is even
      > over that of the RESA.
      >
      > And, of course, we also
      > have the initiation ranking/
      > pecking order.
      >
      > Most people don't realize
      > nor understand all of the
      > internal workings but these
      > are important as to how
      > Eckankar functions.
      >
      > Basically, it's a mixed bag
      > of worms since the only
      > ones being paid are those
      > at the Eckankar Spiritual
      > Center (ESC). Volunteers
      > need more encouragement
      > and carrot dangling.
      >
      > BTW- It is interesting to
      > see where the focus is
      > depending upon topic,
      > time slot, room size,
      > and who the facilitators
      > are.
      >
      > Love in Everyday
      > Life versus Soul Travel?
      >
      > That was a long time
      > ago and they were using
      > the more mystical hook
      > back then than they are
      > now, at times. Sometimes
      > they alternate or mix it
      > up. I think that Klemp
      > now uses a "theme"
      > approach which repeats
      > every 12 years. This time
      > it's "A Year of Consecration"
      > and it'll all be more of
      > the same. EK Seminars
      > are more of a social
      > gathering with wide-eyed
      > idol worship.
      >
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      > femsage wrote:
      > Actually, the whole pecking order with Eckankar is more about worldly affects,
      > rather than spiritual. They use different titles but it's essentially the same
      > as any corporate hierarchy as extant today. They have a product to sell that's
      > more imaginary than real. The last seminar I attended was the one they did when
      > they first opened that temple outside Minneapolis. They really pushed the books,
      > and people bought lots of them. I felt that the books were way over-priced. I
      > attended a workshop on "Love In Everyday Life." About a dozen people came to it.
      > Next door was a workshop on "Soul Travel." More than 500 people attended it.
      > Pretty obvious what most people were interested in doing. Psychic Tourism is
      > alive and doing well. Great way to increase the bottom line. Eckankar is a
      > proven money-maker. That's the only reason and purpose of their organization. I
      > remember HK bragging at the time that he had an annual salary of only 25K per
      > year. Yeah, sure and he stays in 5-star hotels, with a retinue of privately
      > hired security guards, and uses a private jet. Heard that BS before.
      >
      > Lisa
      >
      > prometheus wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello All,
      > > I was going though some
      > > old papers and found some
      > > notes of former observations
      > > and evaluations of an ESA
      > > Roundtable session.
      > >
      > > It always irritated me when
      > > I saw how some H.I.s were
      > > sucked into the arrogance
      > > of the EK hierarchy.
      > >
      > > Basically, it's seen as the
      > > EK flowing from: Sugmad;
      > > into the Mahanta (Klemp);
      > > then down to the 9th
      > > initiates; 8th initiates;
      > > then to the 7th RESAs;
      > > then to the other 7ths;
      > > then to the ESA 6ths; to
      > > the initiator 6ths; to the
      > > Clerical 6ths; then to the
      > > 5ths who are clerics; to
      > > the other 5ths; then,
      > > on down.
      > >
      > > Of course those holding
      > > titles/positions such as
      > > Satsang President or a
      > > Director title or whatever
      > > would be channeled in
      > > before someone not as
      > > outwardly devout.
      > >
      > > Therefore, everyone in
      > > Eckankar must know their
      > > place within the pecking
      > > order. It's mostly an un-
      > > spoken law, but don't be
      > > mistaken as to the power
      > > of the Hierarchy. It's alive
      > > and well and does influence
      > > people and affects how
      > > they behave, speak, see,
      > > feel, think and evaluate
      > > others.
      > >
      > > Thus, the ECKankar concept
      > > of Soul=Soul (spiritual equality)
      > > is a misnomer and an imaginary
      > > pipe dream. As Below, So Above.
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      >
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