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Eckankar's Pecking Order and What It Means

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  • prometheus_973
    Hello All, I was going though some old papers and found some notes of former observations and evaluations of an ESA Roundtable session. It always irritated me
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 23, 2013
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      Hello All,
      I was going though some
      old papers and found some
      notes of former observations
      and evaluations of an ESA
      Roundtable session.

      It always irritated me when
      I saw how some H.I.s were
      sucked into the arrogance
      of the EK hierarchy.

      Basically, it's seen as the
      EK flowing from: Sugmad;
      into the Mahanta (Klemp);
      then down to the 9th
      initiates; 8th initiates;
      then to the 7th RESAs;
      then to the other 7ths;
      then to the ESA 6ths; to
      the initiator 6ths; to the
      Clerical 6ths; then to the
      5ths who are clerics; to
      the other 5ths; then,
      on down.

      Of course those holding
      titles/positions such as
      Satsang President or a
      Director title or whatever
      would be channeled in
      before someone not as
      outwardly devout.

      Therefore, everyone in
      Eckankar must know their
      place within the pecking
      order. It's mostly an un-
      spoken law, but don't be
      mistaken as to the power
      of the Hierarchy. It's alive
      and well and does influence
      people and affects how
      they behave, speak, see,
      feel, think and evaluate
      others.

      Thus, the ECKankar concept
      of Soul=Soul (spiritual equality)
      is a misnomer and an imaginary
      pipe dream. As Below, So Above.

      Prometheus
    • femsage
      Actually, the whole pecking order with Eckankar is more about worldly affects, rather than spiritual. They use different titles but it s essentially the same
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 24, 2013
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        Actually, the whole pecking order with Eckankar is more about worldly affects, rather than spiritual. They use different titles but it's essentially the same as any corporate hierarchy as extant today. They have a product to sell that's more imaginary than real. The last seminar I attended was the one they did when they first opened that temple outside Minneapolis. They really pushed the books, and people bought lots of them. I felt that the books were way over-priced. I attended a workshop on "Love In Everyday Life." About a dozen people came to it. Next door was a workshop on "Soul Travel." More than 500 people attended it. Pretty obvious what most people were interested in doing. Psychic Tourism is alive and doing well. Great way to increase the bottom line. Eckankar is a proven money-maker. That's the only reason and purpose of their organization. I remember HK bragging at the time that he had an annual salary of only 25K per year. Yeah, sure and he stays in 5-star hotels, with a retinue of privately hired security guards, and uses a private jet. Heard that BS before.

        Lisa

        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" wrote:
        >
        > Hello All,
        > I was going though some
        > old papers and found some
        > notes of former observations
        > and evaluations of an ESA
        > Roundtable session.
        >
        > It always irritated me when
        > I saw how some H.I.s were
        > sucked into the arrogance
        > of the EK hierarchy.
        >
        > Basically, it's seen as the
        > EK flowing from: Sugmad;
        > into the Mahanta (Klemp);
        > then down to the 9th
        > initiates; 8th initiates;
        > then to the 7th RESAs;
        > then to the other 7ths;
        > then to the ESA 6ths; to
        > the initiator 6ths; to the
        > Clerical 6ths; then to the
        > 5ths who are clerics; to
        > the other 5ths; then,
        > on down.
        >
        > Of course those holding
        > titles/positions such as
        > Satsang President or a
        > Director title or whatever
        > would be channeled in
        > before someone not as
        > outwardly devout.
        >
        > Therefore, everyone in
        > Eckankar must know their
        > place within the pecking
        > order. It's mostly an un-
        > spoken law, but don't be
        > mistaken as to the power
        > of the Hierarchy. It's alive
        > and well and does influence
        > people and affects how
        > they behave, speak, see,
        > feel, think and evaluate
        > others.
        >
        > Thus, the ECKankar concept
        > of Soul=Soul (spiritual equality)
        > is a misnomer and an imaginary
        > pipe dream. As Below, So Above.
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Femsage, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. [This post has been revised] Yes, Eckankar s pecking order is not a spiritual one, but their
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 25, 2013
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          Hello Femsage,
          Thanks for sharing your
          thoughts and experiences.
          [This post has been revised]

          Yes, Eckankar's pecking
          order is not a "spiritual"
          one, but their three leaders,
          PT, DG, and HK have said
          it was. Therefore EKists
          will believe this because
          they've put their trust in
          people who have claimed
          to be "Masters" but have
          ulterior motives.

          When selling a religion the
          conmen, and it's always
          men, have to make "spiritual"
          claims.

          After the founder, Twitchell,
          established his religion
          the wannabes, like with
          Darwin Gross and Harold
          Klemp, started to line up.
          It, now, comes down to
          inheriting the position.
          Most religions work this
          way. With Gross he was
          assisted by the founder's
          wife whom with he was
          having an affair.

          When the founder can't
          pass the power and title
          on, then, it becomes a
          political power play
          which is always suspect.
          Klemp's inheritance is
          even more suspect since
          it was tied to a corrupted
          leader passing it on as
          though he had the "spiritual"
          ability/authority and
          validation to do so.

          However, Klemp, after the
          fact, brought the fictional
          EK Master Rebazar into play
          in order to give himself added
          validation in order to silence
          his critics. Klemp learned
          from seeing what Twitchell
          had done when he, too,
          came under criticism and
          created the story and character
          of Rebazar Tarzs.

          PT created Rebazar in order
          to silence his critics by assigning/
          initiating himself to a realm
          of All Knowingness, in order
          to have validation and spiritual
          authority over all other "Masters."

          Now comes Klemp and the
          trickle-down effect of a
          spiritual hierarchy in a new
          way via the RESA structure,
          a new take on the old versions
          of typical "physical plane"
          hierarchies. Klemp became
          somewhat paranoid via his
          own nefarious take over and
          saw the need to keep people
          under his control and on a
          short leash.

          True, Eckankar is run some-
          what like a corporate hierarchy
          and it's even run like a political
          hierarchy. But, in many ways
          it's more strict and has more
          incompetence and, therefore,
          it is run more like a military
          hierarchy.

          The physical plane Hierarchy
          of Eckankar isn't discussed in
          detail for outsiders, but there
          are Flow Charts available that
          show the main org at the ESC
          and how these organizational
          branches of the Satsang
          Societies' positions relate to
          these.

          Locally, everyone falls under
          the RESA, but there are certain
          positions that report to others
          under the RESA and some have
          a counterpart at the ESC. Also,
          these ESC counterparts can be
          contacted, at times, and generally
          have the last word involving
          a specific area of expertise/
          responsibility which is even
          over that of the RESA.

          And, of course, we also
          have the initiation ranking/
          pecking order.

          Most people don't realize
          nor understand all of the
          internal workings but these
          are important as to how
          Eckankar functions.

          Basically, it's a mixed bag
          of worms since the only
          ones being paid are those
          at the Eckankar Spiritual
          Center (ESC). Volunteers
          need more encouragement
          and carrot dangling.

          BTW- It is interesting to
          see where the focus is
          depending upon topic,
          time slot, room size,
          and who the facilitators
          are.

          Love in Everyday
          Life versus Soul Travel?

          That was a long time
          ago and they were using
          the more mystical hook
          back then than they are
          now, at times. Sometimes
          they alternate or mix it
          up. I think that Klemp
          now uses a "theme"
          approach which repeats
          every 12 years. This time
          it's "A Year of Consecration"
          and it'll all be more of
          the same. EK Seminars
          are more of a social
          gathering with wide-eyed
          idol worship.


          Prometheus

          femsage wrote:
          Actually, the whole pecking order with Eckankar is more about worldly affects,
          rather than spiritual. They use different titles but it's essentially the same
          as any corporate hierarchy as extant today. They have a product to sell that's
          more imaginary than real. The last seminar I attended was the one they did when
          they first opened that temple outside Minneapolis. They really pushed the books,
          and people bought lots of them. I felt that the books were way over-priced. I
          attended a workshop on "Love In Everyday Life." About a dozen people came to it.
          Next door was a workshop on "Soul Travel." More than 500 people attended it.
          Pretty obvious what most people were interested in doing. Psychic Tourism is
          alive and doing well. Great way to increase the bottom line. Eckankar is a
          proven money-maker. That's the only reason and purpose of their organization. I
          remember HK bragging at the time that he had an annual salary of only 25K per
          year. Yeah, sure and he stays in 5-star hotels, with a retinue of privately
          hired security guards, and uses a private jet. Heard that BS before.

          Lisa

          prometheus wrote:
          >
          > Hello All,
          > I was going though some
          > old papers and found some
          > notes of former observations
          > and evaluations of an ESA
          > Roundtable session.
          >
          > It always irritated me when
          > I saw how some H.I.s were
          > sucked into the arrogance
          > of the EK hierarchy.
          >
          > Basically, it's seen as the
          > EK flowing from: Sugmad;
          > into the Mahanta (Klemp);
          > then down to the 9th
          > initiates; 8th initiates;
          > then to the 7th RESAs;
          > then to the other 7ths;
          > then to the ESA 6ths; to
          > the initiator 6ths; to the
          > Clerical 6ths; then to the
          > 5ths who are clerics; to
          > the other 5ths; then,
          > on down.
          >
          > Of course those holding
          > titles/positions such as
          > Satsang President or a
          > Director title or whatever
          > would be channeled in
          > before someone not as
          > outwardly devout.
          >
          > Therefore, everyone in
          > Eckankar must know their
          > place within the pecking
          > order. It's mostly an un-
          > spoken law, but don't be
          > mistaken as to the power
          > of the Hierarchy. It's alive
          > and well and does influence
          > people and affects how
          > they behave, speak, see,
          > feel, think and evaluate
          > others.
          >
          > Thus, the ECKankar concept
          > of Soul=Soul (spiritual equality)
          > is a misnomer and an imaginary
          > pipe dream. As Below, So Above.
          >
          > Prometheus
        • gatsby_jay@ymail.com
          promtheus, i cannot thank you enough for this post. I am a newbie (in the sense that I am new to the study of eckankar), and I ve had some difficulty getting
          Message 4 of 5 , Feb 2, 2013
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            promtheus, i cannot thank you enough for this post. I am a newbie (in the sense that I am new to the study of eckankar), and I've had some difficulty getting a few questions answered. Your post here comes close to the spirit of my own inquiry.

            Since eckankar is, as you say, a organization based upon a corporate/political/military heirarchy, I have wondered how initiations are determined - like who gets them and why.

            Do the eckists inside the organization BELIEVE the initiations are authentic? Perhaps the truth of initiation is revealed to the higher ups?

            I am very keen to understand, and i do appreciate whatever light you can shed.

            Jay

            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" wrote:
            >
            > Hello Femsage,
            > Thanks for sharing your
            > thoughts and experiences.
            > [This post has been revised]
            >
            > Yes, Eckankar's pecking
            > order is not a "spiritual"
            > one, but their three leaders,
            > PT, DG, and HK have said
            > it was. Therefore EKists
            > will believe this because
            > they've put their trust in
            > people who have claimed
            > to be "Masters" but have
            > ulterior motives.
            >
            > When selling a religion the
            > conmen, and it's always
            > men, have to make "spiritual"
            > claims.
            >
            > After the founder, Twitchell,
            > established his religion
            > the wannabes, like with
            > Darwin Gross and Harold
            > Klemp, started to line up.
            > It, now, comes down to
            > inheriting the position.
            > Most religions work this
            > way. With Gross he was
            > assisted by the founder's
            > wife whom with he was
            > having an affair.
            >
            > When the founder can't
            > pass the power and title
            > on, then, it becomes a
            > political power play
            > which is always suspect.
            > Klemp's inheritance is
            > even more suspect since
            > it was tied to a corrupted
            > leader passing it on as
            > though he had the "spiritual"
            > ability/authority and
            > validation to do so.
            >
            > However, Klemp, after the
            > fact, brought the fictional
            > EK Master Rebazar into play
            > in order to give himself added
            > validation in order to silence
            > his critics. Klemp learned
            > from seeing what Twitchell
            > had done when he, too,
            > came under criticism and
            > created the story and character
            > of Rebazar Tarzs.
            >
            > PT created Rebazar in order
            > to silence his critics by assigning/
            > initiating himself to a realm
            > of All Knowingness, in order
            > to have validation and spiritual
            > authority over all other "Masters."
            >
            > Now comes Klemp and the
            > trickle-down effect of a
            > spiritual hierarchy in a new
            > way via the RESA structure,
            > a new take on the old versions
            > of typical "physical plane"
            > hierarchies. Klemp became
            > somewhat paranoid via his
            > own nefarious take over and
            > saw the need to keep people
            > under his control and on a
            > short leash.
            >
            > True, Eckankar is run some-
            > what like a corporate hierarchy
            > and it's even run like a political
            > hierarchy. But, in many ways
            > it's more strict and has more
            > incompetence and, therefore,
            > it is run more like a military
            > hierarchy.
            >
            > The physical plane Hierarchy
            > of Eckankar isn't discussed in
            > detail for outsiders, but there
            > are Flow Charts available that
            > show the main org at the ESC
            > and how these organizational
            > branches of the Satsang
            > Societies' positions relate to
            > these.
            >
            > Locally, everyone falls under
            > the RESA, but there are certain
            > positions that report to others
            > under the RESA and some have
            > a counterpart at the ESC. Also,
            > these ESC counterparts can be
            > contacted, at times, and generally
            > have the last word involving
            > a specific area of expertise/
            > responsibility which is even
            > over that of the RESA.
            >
            > And, of course, we also
            > have the initiation ranking/
            > pecking order.
            >
            > Most people don't realize
            > nor understand all of the
            > internal workings but these
            > are important as to how
            > Eckankar functions.
            >
            > Basically, it's a mixed bag
            > of worms since the only
            > ones being paid are those
            > at the Eckankar Spiritual
            > Center (ESC). Volunteers
            > need more encouragement
            > and carrot dangling.
            >
            > BTW- It is interesting to
            > see where the focus is
            > depending upon topic,
            > time slot, room size,
            > and who the facilitators
            > are.
            >
            > Love in Everyday
            > Life versus Soul Travel?
            >
            > That was a long time
            > ago and they were using
            > the more mystical hook
            > back then than they are
            > now, at times. Sometimes
            > they alternate or mix it
            > up. I think that Klemp
            > now uses a "theme"
            > approach which repeats
            > every 12 years. This time
            > it's "A Year of Consecration"
            > and it'll all be more of
            > the same. EK Seminars
            > are more of a social
            > gathering with wide-eyed
            > idol worship.
            >
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            > femsage wrote:
            > Actually, the whole pecking order with Eckankar is more about worldly affects,
            > rather than spiritual. They use different titles but it's essentially the same
            > as any corporate hierarchy as extant today. They have a product to sell that's
            > more imaginary than real. The last seminar I attended was the one they did when
            > they first opened that temple outside Minneapolis. They really pushed the books,
            > and people bought lots of them. I felt that the books were way over-priced. I
            > attended a workshop on "Love In Everyday Life." About a dozen people came to it.
            > Next door was a workshop on "Soul Travel." More than 500 people attended it.
            > Pretty obvious what most people were interested in doing. Psychic Tourism is
            > alive and doing well. Great way to increase the bottom line. Eckankar is a
            > proven money-maker. That's the only reason and purpose of their organization. I
            > remember HK bragging at the time that he had an annual salary of only 25K per
            > year. Yeah, sure and he stays in 5-star hotels, with a retinue of privately
            > hired security guards, and uses a private jet. Heard that BS before.
            >
            > Lisa
            >
            > prometheus wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello All,
            > > I was going though some
            > > old papers and found some
            > > notes of former observations
            > > and evaluations of an ESA
            > > Roundtable session.
            > >
            > > It always irritated me when
            > > I saw how some H.I.s were
            > > sucked into the arrogance
            > > of the EK hierarchy.
            > >
            > > Basically, it's seen as the
            > > EK flowing from: Sugmad;
            > > into the Mahanta (Klemp);
            > > then down to the 9th
            > > initiates; 8th initiates;
            > > then to the 7th RESAs;
            > > then to the other 7ths;
            > > then to the ESA 6ths; to
            > > the initiator 6ths; to the
            > > Clerical 6ths; then to the
            > > 5ths who are clerics; to
            > > the other 5ths; then,
            > > on down.
            > >
            > > Of course those holding
            > > titles/positions such as
            > > Satsang President or a
            > > Director title or whatever
            > > would be channeled in
            > > before someone not as
            > > outwardly devout.
            > >
            > > Therefore, everyone in
            > > Eckankar must know their
            > > place within the pecking
            > > order. It's mostly an un-
            > > spoken law, but don't be
            > > mistaken as to the power
            > > of the Hierarchy. It's alive
            > > and well and does influence
            > > people and affects how
            > > they behave, speak, see,
            > > feel, think and evaluate
            > > others.
            > >
            > > Thus, the ECKankar concept
            > > of Soul=Soul (spiritual equality)
            > > is a misnomer and an imaginary
            > > pipe dream. As Below, So Above.
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            >
          • prometheus_973
            Hello gatsby jay, Welcome and thanks for the post. Read some of the archived MESSAGES look at the LINKS and the FILES to know more. Many EKists are in the dark
            Message 5 of 5 , Feb 4, 2013
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              Hello gatsby jay,
              Welcome and thanks
              for the post. Read some
              of the archived MESSAGES
              look at the LINKS and
              the FILES to know more.

              Many EKists are in the
              dark when it comes
              to the actual workings
              of the org. They want
              to and choose to remain
              ignorant and naive and
              imagine their reality in
              the way children pretend.
              They have nothing else
              to believe in except the
              lie that their religion is
              best because it has an
              invisible Inner dream
              reality more real than
              the Outer physical one.

              ECKists must believe the
              initiations are authentic.
              The prestige of the initiations
              and the desire to always
              have more is the glue that
              holds Eckankar together.

              There are no "true initiations."
              Nothing is "revealed" except
              what is desired and imagined
              in one's dreams.

              Some H.I.s do know of
              the process whereby a
              computer generated list
              of names (candidates)
              comes down twice a
              year or so from the Eckankar
              Spiritual Center (ESC)
              to the RESA. The RESA
              will sometimes call certain
              H.I.s where the candidate
              is located and ask them
              questions about the person.
              If there are no objections
              and the RESA thinks the
              EKist is well grounded
              in the EK Teachings, then,
              usually the person would
              be recommended for
              promotion.

              However, for H.I.s to be
              promoted they must finish
              requirements and training
              until they are considered
              for the next step. Positions
              are involved. For all practical
              purposes the 7th initiation
              is the glass ceiling. There
              are those 7th Initiates who
              have been 7ths for 25 years
              and more. Most will never
              be 8ths or 9ths but all are
              deluded into thinking they
              will become "Masters" in
              the hereafter on the Inner
              planes.

              Prometheus





              "gatsby_jay@..." wrote:
              promtheus, i cannot thank you enough for this post. I am a newbie (in the sense
              that I am new to the study of eckankar), and I've had some difficulty getting a
              few questions answered. Your post here comes close to the spirit of my own
              inquiry.

              Since eckankar is, as you say, a organization based upon a
              corporate/political/military heirarchy, I have wondered how initiations are
              determined - like who gets them and why.

              Do the eckists inside the organization BELIEVE the initiations are authentic?

              Perhaps the truth of initiation is revealed to the higher ups?

              I am very keen to understand, and i do appreciate whatever light you can shed.

              Jay

              "prometheus_973" wrote:
              >
              > Hello Femsage,
              > Thanks for sharing your
              > thoughts and experiences.
              > [This post has been revised]
              >
              > Yes, Eckankar's pecking
              > order is not a "spiritual"
              > one, but their three leaders,
              > PT, DG, and HK have said
              > it was. Therefore EKists
              > will believe this because
              > they've put their trust in
              > people who have claimed
              > to be "Masters" but have
              > ulterior motives.
              >
              > When selling a religion the
              > conmen, and it's always
              > men, have to make "spiritual"
              > claims.
              >
              > After the founder, Twitchell,
              > established his religion
              > the wannabes, like with
              > Darwin Gross and Harold
              > Klemp, started to line up.
              > It, now, comes down to
              > inheriting the position.
              > Most religions work this
              > way. With Gross he was
              > assisted by the founder's
              > wife whom with he was
              > having an affair.
              >
              > When the founder can't
              > pass the power and title
              > on, then, it becomes a
              > political power play
              > which is always suspect.
              > Klemp's inheritance is
              > even more suspect since
              > it was tied to a corrupted
              > leader passing it on as
              > though he had the "spiritual"
              > ability/authority and
              > validation to do so.
              >
              > However, Klemp, after the
              > fact, brought the fictional
              > EK Master Rebazar into play
              > in order to give himself added
              > validation in order to silence
              > his critics. Klemp learned
              > from seeing what Twitchell
              > had done when he, too,
              > came under criticism and
              > created the story and character
              > of Rebazar Tarzs.
              >
              > PT created Rebazar in order
              > to silence his critics by assigning/
              > initiating himself to a realm
              > of All Knowingness, in order
              > to have validation and spiritual
              > authority over all other "Masters."
              >
              > Now comes Klemp and the
              > trickle-down effect of a
              > spiritual hierarchy in a new
              > way via the RESA structure,
              > a new take on the old versions
              > of typical "physical plane"
              > hierarchies. Klemp became
              > somewhat paranoid via his
              > own nefarious take over and
              > saw the need to keep people
              > under his control and on a
              > short leash.
              >
              > True, Eckankar is run some-
              > what like a corporate hierarchy
              > and it's even run like a political
              > hierarchy. But, in many ways
              > it's more strict and has more
              > incompetence and, therefore,
              > it is run more like a military
              > hierarchy.
              >
              > The physical plane Hierarchy
              > of Eckankar isn't discussed in
              > detail for outsiders, but there
              > are Flow Charts available that
              > show the main org at the ESC
              > and how these organizational
              > branches of the Satsang
              > Societies' positions relate to
              > these.
              >
              > Locally, everyone falls under
              > the RESA, but there are certain
              > positions that report to others
              > under the RESA and some have
              > a counterpart at the ESC. Also,
              > these ESC counterparts can be
              > contacted, at times, and generally
              > have the last word involving
              > a specific area of expertise/
              > responsibility which is even
              > over that of the RESA.
              >
              > And, of course, we also
              > have the initiation ranking/
              > pecking order.
              >
              > Most people don't realize
              > nor understand all of the
              > internal workings but these
              > are important as to how
              > Eckankar functions.
              >
              > Basically, it's a mixed bag
              > of worms since the only
              > ones being paid are those
              > at the Eckankar Spiritual
              > Center (ESC). Volunteers
              > need more encouragement
              > and carrot dangling.
              >
              > BTW- It is interesting to
              > see where the focus is
              > depending upon topic,
              > time slot, room size,
              > and who the facilitators
              > are.
              >
              > Love in Everyday
              > Life versus Soul Travel?
              >
              > That was a long time
              > ago and they were using
              > the more mystical hook
              > back then than they are
              > now, at times. Sometimes
              > they alternate or mix it
              > up. I think that Klemp
              > now uses a "theme"
              > approach which repeats
              > every 12 years. This time
              > it's "A Year of Consecration"
              > and it'll all be more of
              > the same. EK Seminars
              > are more of a social
              > gathering with wide-eyed
              > idol worship.
              >
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              > femsage wrote:
              > Actually, the whole pecking order with Eckankar is more about worldly affects,
              > rather than spiritual. They use different titles but it's essentially the same
              > as any corporate hierarchy as extant today. They have a product to sell that's
              > more imaginary than real. The last seminar I attended was the one they did
              when
              > they first opened that temple outside Minneapolis. They really pushed the
              books,
              > and people bought lots of them. I felt that the books were way over-priced. I
              > attended a workshop on "Love In Everyday Life." About a dozen people came to
              it.
              > Next door was a workshop on "Soul Travel." More than 500 people attended it.
              > Pretty obvious what most people were interested in doing. Psychic Tourism is
              > alive and doing well. Great way to increase the bottom line. Eckankar is a
              > proven money-maker. That's the only reason and purpose of their organization.
              I
              > remember HK bragging at the time that he had an annual salary of only 25K per
              > year. Yeah, sure and he stays in 5-star hotels, with a retinue of privately
              > hired security guards, and uses a private jet. Heard that BS before.
              >
              > Lisa
              >
              > prometheus wrote:
              > >
              > > Hello All,
              > > I was going though some
              > > old papers and found some
              > > notes of former observations
              > > and evaluations of an ESA
              > > Roundtable session.
              > >
              > > It always irritated me when
              > > I saw how some H.I.s were
              > > sucked into the arrogance
              > > of the EK hierarchy.
              > >
              > > Basically, it's seen as the
              > > EK flowing from: Sugmad;
              > > into the Mahanta (Klemp);
              > > then down to the 9th
              > > initiates; 8th initiates;
              > > then to the 7th RESAs;
              > > then to the other 7ths;
              > > then to the ESA 6ths; to
              > > the initiator 6ths; to the
              > > Clerical 6ths; then to the
              > > 5ths who are clerics; to
              > > the other 5ths; then,
              > > on down.
              > >
              > > Of course those holding
              > > titles/positions such as
              > > Satsang President or a
              > > Director title or whatever
              > > would be channeled in
              > > before someone not as
              > > outwardly devout.
              > >
              > > Therefore, everyone in
              > > Eckankar must know their
              > > place within the pecking
              > > order. It's mostly an un-
              > > spoken law, but don't be
              > > mistaken as to the power
              > > of the Hierarchy. It's alive
              > > and well and does influence
              > > people and affects how
              > > they behave, speak, see,
              > > feel, think and evaluate
              > > others.
              > >
              > > Thus, the ECKankar concept
              > > of Soul=Soul (spiritual equality)
              > > is a misnomer and an imaginary
              > > pipe dream. As Below, So Above.
              > >
              > > Prometheus
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