Re: Pseudo Events - Trivia (revised)
- Thanks, very impressive analysis. I did find that hu in Hebrew and Arabic means "he", referring to a male. And then there is Allah hu Akbar, God is Great and also a he.
Hoo is an interesting sound and as you say, it is a very common sound or utterance. If voicing a certain sound is so powerful, I think it would be common knowledge and heavily studied by scientists. It could also be simply the sound of a dove, which I have found to be quite a lovely sound and is more like "whoooo".
The way eckists pronounce hu (hue) sounds kind of like a Southern version, and since Twitch was from the South, it may have just been his Southern accent and eckists are just clueless that they are pronouncing it wrong.
Non ; )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
> There is a word "Hu" in Sanskrit, I believe, and it was somehow
> associated with rituals. I think during the time of the Vedas. One can
> find it mentioned in connection with rituals like the fire sacrifice,
> or ritual offerings. I'm not completely satisfied with the modern
> definitions because they don't go far enough to explain what exactly
> the word means, what part of the rituals and sacrifices it pertained
> to. At one time I thought I had a handle on the probable meaning, but I
> don't remember if I was ever completely satisfied I knew for sure. Here
> are some examples:
> hu - "call, invoke, invite, summon; offer, sacrifice (Sanskrit).
> Associated spellings:words: huta ['offerings; usually made to a
> Compare that with the Egyptian definition of "Hu" as "authoritative
> utterance" and it looks (to me) like the word "Hu" might pertain simply
> to making a sound. Considering the "sound" of "hu" it is a very common
> one that people were probably uttering since prehistoric times. How it
> ever became associated with things spiritual, or God, I am not prepared
> to say.
> Far as Hebrew goes, one probably needs to consider if Egyptian is
> older. If the Hebrews borrowed the word, or changed the meaning. For
> instance, pronunciation for the Hebrew Tetragrammaton - "YHVH" was
> declared to be secret, unknown, or the correct pronunciation known only
> to the high priest of the temple and that it was eventually forgotten
> to history. This is why other words and names are used in it's place.
> Such as Ha Shem, meaning "the name".
> I did a whole page on available history for Hu (and related words)
> once, but I can't say that I really subscribe to ANY of them as being
> 100 percent accurate. Nevertheless, if anybody wants a reference page
> showing what people have said, go here.
> Btw, I have seen a number of words from Sanskrit and Hebrew that are
> similar in sound and meaning. Hard to say who borrowed from who though.
> However, one thing to keep in mind is the Babylonian captivity of
> certain Hebrew tribes. Babylon was closer to Persia and Persia closer
> to India. What I am saying is that there were relations and influences
> back and forth between Persia and India. Consider Avestan and Sanskrit.
> So when the Israelites were captive in Babylon and later freed by (Was
> it Darius?) it is quite possible they picked up words, history and
> traditions from those areas. Not only possible, but probable.
> Hu seems to be similar to the Greek Eu, etc., with the basic meaning of
> "good". sanskrit also has a prefix Su- with the basic meaning of
> "good". In Avestan I believe there was Vohu Manu; with Vohu meaning
> OK. So consider this. When people today make a big to do about
> something, when they cheer, etc., a very common expression is Whoo!
> Hooo! (Say it isn't so.) And to tell you the truth I think this sound,
> that of "huuuu" could have probably been used in a similar way so many
> years ago. And in that case it is just a sound, or a reaction, a form
> of expression used by people who get excited - like during rituals in
> the olden days!
> It's just a guess. A hunch.
> word-forming element in modern use meaning "good, well," from comb.
> form of Greek eus "good," eu "well" (adv.), also "luckily, happily,"
> from PIE *(e)su- "good" (cf. Sanskrit su- "good," Avestan hu- "good").
> Sorry for the length ... the history of words is one of my main
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Non
> To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
> Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:12 pm
> Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Pseudo Events - Trivia
> Do you know if it is true that some forms of Judaism believe that all
> languages evolved from Hebrew. If so, I don't see HU as part of their
> spirituality, and is this discussed in eckankar. I don't recall. I do
> though recall some eck book using Genesis as proof of God creating the
> earth with the Word. This is a very Biblical approach. And of course
> their are no ancient texts of eckankar to provide proof for anything,
> except supposedly on the astral or whatever. All of this is a lot like
> the basis of Mormonism, the gold plates that mysteriously disappeared.
> The typical con will do this. There is always slight of hand, and just
> trust me and just stop thinking so much about it......
> Non ;)
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> > Hello All,
> > I find it interesting
> > that there are some
> > denominations in
> > Judaism that are all
> > inclusive. They see
> > those in other denominations
> > as fellow Jews. Whereas
> > there are other more
> > ultra orthodox
> > denominations that
> > don't.
> > The same applies
> > to Christianity. Some
> > older denominations
> > see themselves closer
> > to the origins of God's
> > teachings. They rely
> > upon a stagnant old-
> > world mindset and
> > myth to give themselves
> > authority above others.
> > This same exclusive
> > mindset applies to
> > ECKankar. Rather than
> > greet and support those
> > who, also, believe in
> > the Shabd (i.e. the Light
> > and Sound) EKists will
> > throw these same Spirit
> > minded people out of
> > their meetings, worship
> > services, and ECK Centers.
> > And, people cannot join-
> > in with their "worship"
> > of the Shabd without
> > paying a membership
> > fee. What other religion,
> > other than Eckankar,
> > requires a membership
> > fee (called a donation
> > for tax purposes)!
> > Eckankar is all about
> > initiation. That's why
> > ECKists will pay (yearly)
> > in order to get the
> > membership card that
> > leads to initiation...
> > at least until Klemp's
> > requirement blockade
> > becomes unbearable
> > and more initiations
> > become (for all practical
> > purposes) unattainable.
> > P
> > etznab@ wrote:
> > All ancient and new religions, over time, have seen much of their
> > scripture changed by inclusions or exclusions by councils or
> > and other "experts" or theologians and scribes influenced by
> > sex, ego, power, basic greed, money and politics.
> > ***
> > You can say that again.
> > prometheus wrote:
> > (revised)
> > Hello Etznab and All,
> > Yes, Twit's plagiarisms
> > are apparent to us and
> > Klemp recognized it by
> > admitting that PT needed
> > to get ECKankar off the
> > ground quickly and, thus,
> > used other people's
> > research to do so... by
> > hook or crook.
> > The end justifies the
> > means (PT's lies) according
> > to Klemp. EKists have
> > accepted this and will
> > overlook or rationalize
> > this because they see
> > the modern creation of
> > ECKankar as the greater
> > good. But, Negativity (lies)
> > cannot bring forth Truth.
> > The thing is, a person
> > is supposed to cite their
> > sources and put copied
> > text inside of quotation
> > marks. That's why they
> > are called "quotation
> > marks."
> > If one doesn't use quotes
> > or cite sources the reader
> > is mislead into thinking
> > that these are the actual
> > words and ideas of the
> > author/writer.
> > Thus, Twitchell and,
> > now, Klemp became
> > false prophets via their
> > own nefarious efforts
> > and amoral behaviors.
> > Klemp is the biggest
> > hypocrite in EK and
> > should be the last one
> > to ever criticize an H.I.'s
> > behavior!
> > As far a "God" goes; it
> > is interesting to look
> > at the oldest religions
> > that are still around.
> > Twitchell, it's obvious,
> > took a little something
> > from all religions, but
> > not necessarily the "best"
> > from them as the story
> > goes.
> > Besides, most of these
> > religious beliefs are flawed
> > to begin with. That's one
> > reason for the various
> > denominations.
> > Thought, perception and
> > perspective from groups
> > of believers dictated belief
> > and experiences.
> > And, this has usually led
> > to change and has, in some
> > cases, evolved over time
> > (not always in a good way)
> > while the fundamentalists
> > have regressed into the
> > literal beliefs of the lies,
> > fabricated stories, myth,
> > and exaggerations coming
> > from known, unknown or
> > unsubstantiated "original"
> > sources pior to "prophetic"
> > revisions.
> > "Inspired" Scripture is
> > always seen as coming
> > from God, although, there
> > are many degrees of
> > perception. Truth cannot
> > be easily validated, but
> > religions by-pass any
> > of the rational requirements.
> > Religion via cultural/societal
> > groups is the easy way and
> > means to accept God's existence.
> > The majority rules and large
> > numbers give validation. This
> > is why the powers that be have
> > made it difficult to find happiness
> > except by following endless
> > dogma, rules, promises, faith
> > and laws. It's a way to distract
> > the masses from the truth while
> > keeping them under control,
> > and off balance for the clerics
> > and scribes to manipulate.
> > Perhaps, The Real, individual
> > path, is via deconstruction.
> > All ancient and new religions,
> > over time, have seen much
> > of their scripture changed
> > by inclusions or exclusions
> > by councils or prophets and
> > other "experts" or theologians
> > and scribes influenced by
> > sex, ego, power, basic greed,
> > money and politics.
> > Hinduism is the oldest
> > religion, next come:
> > Judaism; Zoroastrianism;
> > Jainism & Buddhism;
> > Christianity; Islam.
> > It's interesting to look
> > at how these old school
> > religions have morphed
> > into various denominations
> > and sects.
> > Prometheus