Re: Attachment vs. Detachment
- Hey Jamie,
I sent you some info on Graham. Due to the nature of the info, I
sent it to you privately at your yahoo email address that's listed for
you on here on the ESA board. Did you receive the info?
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "jjamie1977"
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
> <mishmisha9@y...> wrote:
> > Okay, here's a thought/question. In analyzing and considering what HK
> > has written in his latest Wisdom Note (LOL), do you think he has
> > exhibited attachment or detachment in the way he treats eckists and
> > or former eckists who have gone astray of the eck teachings? Does
> > HK's actions and words demonstrate the Five Passions of the Mind or
> > the Five Virtues?
> > Mish
> > p.s. to Jamie: Graham Forsythe has posted on TruthSeeker, HCS,
> > Eckankar Truth and A.R.E. as FS, Graham or Graham Forsythe. He's easy
> > to find on those sites. I'm not sure of other places he has posted or
> > pseudonyms he uses. Hope this helps.
> thanks so much, mish. this is exactly the info i needed. i've tried and
> tried to find a copy (even an e copy) of "in the many hands of god". no
> luck whatsoever.
- Hi All,
Twitchell created Eckankar based on the teachings of other religions
that Eckankar views as 4th (Mental) Plane religions.
I was talking to an Eckist friend a few months ago and she told me
that she didn't have a problem with Twitchell's plagiarisms and with
him borrowing things from other religions. She said that we all
borrow and use things from various sources and Twitchell was no
different. Interesting way to create a religion, but what made a
hodge-podge of these sources into the "highest teaching" in all of
the universes of SUGMAD? LOL!
I started thinking about this recently and thought about how
Eckankar views Jesus and his "Father" (God). Jesus was supposedly
the incarnation of God who resides on either the *2nd Astral or 4th
Mental Plane. Whereas... Twitchell, Gross, and Klemp claimed to be
the Mahanta incarnations of SUGMAD and 14th Plane or higher!
However, why are so many of the Eck teachings based on 4th Plane
religions when Klemp claims to be so much "higher" in consciousness?
[*Eckankar views some religions that it judges emotional (Astral) as
being 2nd Plane religions.]
The Five Passions of the Mind and Five Virtures are altered for the
western spiritual seeker and "borrowed" by Twitchell for use as part
of the Eckankar teachings. This is just one example, of duplication,
that Twitchell used to create Eckankar. The spin that is put on this
is that these other religions got this from the Eck or from
Eckankar. But, this is just more of the flip-flop spin and deception
that Twitchell began to use and that Klemp has continued.
This example shows just one of the Fourth Plane connections that
Eckankar has with Radasoami and Sant Mat.
"The Path of the Masters" by Julian P. Johnson
Page 362 Passions and their Remedies (Virtures):
KAM (LUST)...*[Shil]...Chastity, continence
KRODH (ANGER)...[Kshama]...Forgiveness, tolerance
MOH (ATTACHMENT)...*[Viveka]...Discrimination AND
AHANKAR (EGO; PRIDE)...[Dinta]...Humility
Page 73 Eckankar Lexicon
The Five Passions of the Mind...The Five Virtures:
KRODHA (ANGER)...[KSHAMA]...forgiveness, tolerance
*Twitchell changed the remedy or virture for LUST to fit the western
seeker. Twitch took the first of two remedies for ATTACHMENT, which
was DISCRIMINATION, and uses this for the virture for LUST. Chastity
and continence were completely eliminated!
p.s. Isn't it interesting that in the 1966 Illuminated Way Letters
that Twitchell never mentions Rebazar Tarzs or the Mahanta. Yet,
Twitchell is supposedly the L.E.M. and at least a 12th Initiate! Who
initiated him? He was still corresponding with Kirpal Singh during
this time. Actually, the Mahanta was never mentioned by P.T. until