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  • iam999freedom
    Yes Janice those are very thoughtful insights into Eckthink. No questions whatsoever about the teachings. Just take it to the inner and if there is no answer
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 3, 2013
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      Yes Janice those are very thoughtful insights into Eckthink. No questions whatsoever about the teachings. Just take it to the inner and if there is no answer there it must be the seeker who is doing something wrong.

      I can remember a 4th initiate who kept saying he followed Eckankar on blind faith. Imagine being on a path for more than 20 years and just blindly following it. And the guy had a law degree! LOL

      At what point does the cattle drive stop? There was a time when HK strongly suggested (demanded) that Eckists bring anybody they knew into their local Eck Centre for a look see and to hopefully buy a book. I was so embarrassed about it all I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

      I AM

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
      >
      > Sounds like to me two things are going on.  HK is changing the teachings of eckankar to concentrate on other things so people will stop talking about Paul Twitchell's antics.  Second, it seems eckankar is getting more desperate to drum up new members.  A few years ago it was TV adds and now it is facebook.  One thing I really have trouble respecting eckist for is their lack of independent thought.  Whenever HK changes the rules no matter how drastic his ideas are from the few previous years, they just accept it.  Heck, they don't even seem to notice.  They all seem like a bunch of sheep who are expected to mirror whatever HK does. It is so pathetic in my opinion. 
      > I guess HK now needs angels since he can relate those to his former Lutheran Bible teachings.  Even if he isn't using them as the Bible teaches, it is something he couldn't invent for himself.   The man just has no imagination or creativity at all.  He sounds desperate for something to replace Pauls lies.  Why in a few years, I imagine that those of us who got out wouldn't even recognize the eckankar teachings after  they do get rid of all that paul compiled and stole.  Yet eckist go on with out noticing a thing because whatever HK says must be right. 
      > --- On Wed, 1/2/13, prometheus_973 wrote:
      >
      >
      > From: prometheus_973
      > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: ECKankar is on Facebook
      > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 7:17 PM
      >
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      >
      >
      > Happy New Year Everyone!
      > I thought I'd bring this
      > subject back for another
      > look. I've noticed that
      > the FB activity has picked
      > up for EKists. Odd isn't it,
      > that the EMF/EMR dangers
      > have been set aside as
      > though it never existed.
      >
      > Isn't it odd, as well, that
      > ECKists are so preoccupied
      > with angels of the non-
      > human kind? I think it is.
      > They write and read and
      > recommend books on:
      > Animal Angels; Dog Angels;
      > Cat Angels; Horse Angels.
      > Whatever happened to
      > Human (people) Angels?
      >
      > Or, are these EK Masters
      > mistaken for angels?
      > Actually, it doesn't seem
      > so. They wouldn't lower
      > themselves to the mundane.
      > I'm thinking of the "Parking
      > Space Angel."
      >
      > Angels, according to
      > Klemp's 1st Lexicon,
      > are defined as:
      >
      > "Beings above the ordinary
      > man who help to serve
      > man in many ways; also
      > called PRETS, DEVTAS,
      > BHUTS, DEVAS, etc. They
      > have great powers and
      > are quite willing to serve
      > people who live in harmony
      > with them." [page 10]
      >
      > However, HK never mentions
      > "Animal" Angels of any sort.
      > Plus, when I looked up BHUTS
      > in the same EK Lexicon it
      > stated: "Beings in the subtle
      > region close to earth; a kind
      > of ANGEL above ordinary
      > humans who help in many
      > ways." [page 22]
      >
      > So, now Klemp is saying
      > that these "beings" are a
      > "kind of Angel." Plus, HK
      > states that these angels
      > of sorts (Bhuts, Devas,
      > Devtas, Prets) reside "in
      > the subtle region close
      > to earth." So, where would
      > that be? Okay. It's the
      > ASTRAL PLANE!
      >
      > However, Klemp also
      > states that these Angels
      > are "above the ordinary
      > man." But, don't ECKists
      > believe that they, too,
      > are above the ordinary
      > man and are, also, above
      > these Astral Plane Angels?
      >
      > Really, this is just common
      > logic via using Eckankar's
      > own dogma and Klemp's
      > approved view of these
      > matters.
      >
      > Therefore, why do EKists
      > have a need for Angels of
      > any sort when they, themselves,
      > should be above the "great"
      > Astral Powers of these angels?
      >
      > Well, the truth is that EKists
      > have no powers because
      > Klemp (their LEM/Mahanta)
      > has no powers.
      >
      > Therefore, EKists have to
      > imagine that someone else
      > (angels, masters, mahanta)
      > are in charge and lord over
      > them. Except, EKists are the
      > ones who always do the real
      > serving.
      >
      > Strange that Angels have
      > become the imaginary caregivers
      > for animals versus mankind.
      >
      > Whatever happened to Prajapati
      > the ECK Master who cares for
      > animals [pg. 163]? Why aren't
      > ECKists looking to or writing
      > about him? Is it this "Common
      > Language" thing, again, where
      > EKists fool people into believing
      > they, too, have "angel" beliefs?
      > I think so! It's a scam that these
      > EKists are playing on themselves
      > and others.
      >
      > Plus, this same 1st EK Lexicon
      > talks about the "Protean Soul."
      > It's a "Higher form of the ASTRAL
      > BODY used at times by the Master
      > to appear to the chela; his thought
      > can force it to assume any shape
      > or form." [page 167]
      >
      > So, are these Angels actually
      > the Protean Soul, Upper Astral
      > Body, of Master Klemp? Hmmm.
      > I wonder why he doesn't appear
      > in this form at EK Seminars in
      > Afrika. I guess, according to
      > ones imaginable capabilities
      > and powers of suggestion,
      > he does!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      > prometheus wrote:
      >
      > Hello All,
      > Isn't it odd that Klemp,
      > who talks about the
      > harm that EMF/EMR can
      > cause, is encouraging
      > EKists to "friend/subscribe"
      > ECKankar on FACEBOOK!
      >
      > Is HK intentionally putting
      > ECKists in harm's way?
      >
      > Or, is there no longer any
      > concern for harm caused
      > by EMF/EMR?
      >
      > Klemp claims to "protect"
      > ECKists but I'm not sure
      > from what. And, I doubt
      > that ECKists are all that
      > sure either. Is the EMF
      > scare, now, no longer
      > convenient since EK is
      > on FB?
      >
      > Klemp doesn't protect EKies
      > from making bad decisions
      > so there's no guidance is
      > there? It seems HK will say
      > anything when it benefits
      > him and he can side-step
      > responsibility.
      >
      > After all, Klemp doesn't protect
      > his chelas from getting cancer
      > or from getting other diseases
      > on this lowest of Planes. Where
      > is the GODman's power to protect?
      > Klemp can't even "protect" his
      > chelas by directing them to
      > the right doctor, insurance,
      > or preventative procedures.
      > Was HK's fall on "Black Ice"
      > a Waking Dream or ECK Wisdom
      > for ECKists to see that Klemp
      > is a "Black Magician?" Is the
      > ECK warning ECKists by causing
      > HK to break his hip? Or, did
      > HK's negativity "cause" him
      > to be injured? Klemp can't
      > even "protect" himself, or
      > is the story/excuse a continuation
      > of the holding tank for karma
      > con?
      >
      > This, lack of outer protection
      > and inner guidance is strange
      > since (according to EK Dogma)
      > Klemp, as the LEM/Mahanta,
      > has authority over his chelas
      > versus that of KAL.
      >
      > Promises, promises, but no
      > help. If anything, Klemp uses
      > negativity by side-stepping
      > his own responsibility to his
      > followers and doing a reversal
      > ploy (with guilt) by placing
      > blame on the ECKists for not
      > doing everything they should
      > have done (spiritually). Have
      > they: Contemplated daily;
      > HUed; are arahatas; are
      > vahanas; volunteer, read
      > the Shariyat; keep a dream
      > journal; follow the four zoas;
      > donate money; blah, blah!
      > Or, didn't the suffering EKist
      > "believe" strong enough?
      > Wasn't he/she completely
      > delusional and stupid and
      > this is why "bad" common
      > and everyday things happened...
      > like with those who don't
      > have the Mahanta's protection.
      >
      > Maybe some EKists have trusted
      > too much in the Mahanta and
      > didn't follow through on that
      > medical condition and check-up
      > as a more rational person would
      > have done?
      >
      > Really!
      >
      > If Klemp never accepts
      > blame for not being there,
      > except in the occasional
      > dream or an imagined mock-
      > up, then, that leaves only
      > the chela as the responsible
      > adult. In truth Klemp is harming
      > ECKists by misleading them
      > to think that he is guiding
      > and protecting them via
      > "signs" etc.
      >
      > What a scam! What a con!
      > Yet, ECKists, somehow,
      > don't seem to mind nor
      > are they capable of connecting-
      > the-dots in order to see
      > through their veil of delusion.
      > There is a correlation with
      > Klemp and ECKankar to all
      > other fake masters, Popes,
      > preachers and to all of the
      > other false religions in the
      > world. ECKists need to Wake
      > the "F" Up... before it's too
      > late!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
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