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  • prometheus_973
    Hello All, Isn t it odd that Klemp, who talks about the harm that EMF/EMR can cause, is encouraging EKists to friend/subscribe ECKankar on FACEBOOK! Is HK
    Message 1 of 5 , Nov 28, 2012
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      Hello All,
      Isn't it odd that Klemp,
      who talks about the
      harm that EMF/EMR can
      cause, is encouraging
      EKists to "friend/subscribe"
      ECKankar on FACEBOOK!

      Is HK intentionally putting
      ECKists in harm's way?

      Or, is there no longer any
      concern for harm caused
      by EMF/EMR?

      Klemp claims to "protect"
      ECKists but I'm not sure
      from what. And, I doubt
      that ECKists are all that
      sure either. Is the EMF
      scare, now, no longer
      convenient since EK is
      on FB?

      Klemp doesn't protect EKies
      from making bad decisions
      so there's no guidance is
      there? It seems HK will say
      anything when it benefits
      him and he can side-step
      responsibility.

      After all, Klemp doesn't protect
      his chelas from getting cancer
      or from getting other diseases
      on this lowest of Planes. Where
      is the GODman's power to protect?
      Klemp can't even "protect" his
      chelas by directing them to
      the right doctor, insurance,
      or preventative procedures.
      Was HK's fall on "Black Ice"
      a Waking Dream or ECK Wisdom
      for ECKists to see that Klemp
      is a "Black Magician?" Is the
      ECK warning ECKists by causing
      HK to break his hip? Or, did
      HK's negativity "cause" him
      to be injured? Klemp can't
      even "protect" himself, or
      is the story/excuse a continuation
      of the holding tank for karma
      con?

      This, lack of outer protection
      and inner guidance is strange
      since (according to EK Dogma)
      Klemp, as the LEM/Mahanta,
      has authority over his chelas
      versus that of KAL.

      Promises, promises, but no
      help. If anything, Klemp uses
      negativity by side-stepping
      his own responsibility to his
      followers and doing a reversal
      ploy (with guilt) by placing
      blame on the ECKists for not
      doing everything they should
      have done (spiritually). Have
      they: Contemplated daily;
      HUed; are arahatas; are
      vahanas; volunteer, read
      the Shariyat; keep a dream
      journal; follow the four zoas;
      donate money; blah, blah!
      Or, didn't the suffering EKist
      "believe" strong enough?
      Wasn't he/she completely
      delusional and stupid and
      this is why "bad" common
      and everyday things happened...
      like with those who don't
      have the Mahanta's protection.

      Maybe some EKists have trusted
      too much in the Mahanta and
      didn't follow through on that
      medical condition and check-up
      as a more rational person would
      have done?

      Really!

      If Klemp never accepts
      blame for not being there,
      except in the occasional
      dream or an imagined mock-
      up, then, that leaves only
      the chela as the responsible
      adult. In truth Klemp is harming
      ECKists by misleading them
      to think that he is guiding
      and protecting them via
      "signs" etc.

      What a scam! What a con!
      Yet, ECKists, somehow,
      don't seem to mind nor
      are they capable of connecting-
      the-dots in order to see
      through their veil of delusion.
      There is a correlation with
      Klemp and ECKankar to all
      other fake masters, Popes,
      preachers and to all of the
      other false religions in the
      world. ECKists need to Wake
      the "F" Up... before it's too
      late!

      Prometheus
    • prometheus_973
      Hello All, Facebooking was previously unknown to many Eckists but many are now signing- up and are paying more attention to their FB page, friending, learning
      Message 2 of 5 , Dec 5, 2012
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        Hello All,
        Facebooking was previously
        unknown to many Eckists
        but many are now signing-
        up and are paying more
        attention to their FB page,
        friending, learning to PM,
        etc.

        Those EKists who have less
        to fear and are more open
        and friendly (glass half-full
        people) want to Share their
        pages with the public. It's
        funny/interesting to see
        who the friendly "Vahanas"
        are are versus the sneaky,
        mean-spirited, nasty and
        fearful H.I.s are.

        I remember reading in
        Letters to Gail 3 of a
        psychic push-pull technique
        that Twitchell used on
        a waitress. He would
        sent out approving glances
        and thoughts to attract
        her and, then, disapproving
        thoughts and glances
        to repel her. Twitchell
        said that such a technique
        could drive a person
        insane. The Catch PT
        didn't see was that the
        person using such a
        negative technique would
        be driven to insanity
        before the intended
        victim. Thus, Klemp
        Pushes/repels Eckists
        away, from the Internet
        and the use of Computers,
        and then Pulls them in
        with Facebook and
        Eckankar's Internet Site.

        Isn't it odd that Klemp,
        who talks about the
        harm that EMF/EMR can
        cause, is encouraging
        EKists to "friend/subscribe"
        ECKankar on FACEBOOK!

        Is HK intentionally putting
        ECKists in harm's way?

        Or, is there no longer any
        concern for harm caused
        by EMF/EMR?

        Klemp claims to "protect"
        ECKists but I'm not sure
        from what. And, I doubt
        that ECKists are all that
        sure either. Is the EMF
        scare, now, no longer
        convenient since EK is
        on FB?

        Klemp doesn't protect EKies
        from making bad decisions
        so there's no guidance is
        there? It seems HK will say
        anything when it benefits
        him and he can side-step
        responsibility.

        After all, Klemp doesn't protect
        his chelas from getting cancer
        or from getting other diseases
        on this lowest of Planes. Where
        is the GODman's power to protect?
        Klemp can't even "protect" his
        chelas by directing them to
        the right doctor, insurance,
        or preventative procedures.
        Was HK's fall on "Black Ice"
        a Waking Dream or ECK Wisdom
        for ECKists to see that Klemp
        is a "Black Magician?" Is the
        ECK warning ECKists by causing
        HK to break his hip? Or, did
        HK's negativity "cause" him
        to be injured? Klemp can't
        even "protect" himself, or
        is the story/excuse a continuation
        of the holding tank for karma
        con?

        This, lack of outer protection
        and inner guidance is strange
        since (according to EK Dogma)
        Klemp, as the LEM/Mahanta,
        has authority over his chelas
        versus that of KAL.

        Promises, promises, but
        no help. If anything, Klemp
        uses negativity by side-stepping
        his own responsibility to his
        followers and doing a reversal
        ploy (with guilt) by placing
        blame on the ECKists for not
        doing everything they should
        have done (spiritually). Have
        they: Contemplated daily;
        HUed; are arahatas; are
        vahanas; volunteer, read
        the Shariyat; keep a dream
        journal; follow the four zoas;
        donate money; blah, blah!
        Or, didn't the suffering EKist
        "believe" strong enough?
        Wasn't he/she completely
        delusional and stupid and
        this is why "bad" common
        and everyday things happened...
        like with those who don't
        have the Mahanta's protection.

        Maybe some EKists have
        trusted too much in the
        Mahanta and didn't follow
        through on that medical
        condition and check-up
        as a more rational person
        would have done?

        Really!

        If Klemp never accepts
        blame for not being there,
        except in the occasional
        dream or an imagined mock-
        up, then, that leaves only
        the chela as the responsible
        adult. In truth Klemp is harming
        ECKists by misleading them
        to think that he is guiding
        and protecting them via
        "signs" etc.

        What a scam! What a con!
        Yet, ECKists, somehow,
        don't seem to mind nor
        are they capable of connecting-
        the-dots in order to see
        through their veil of delusion.
        There is a correlation with
        Klemp and ECKankar to all
        other fake masters, Popes,
        preachers and to all of the
        other false religions in the
        world. ECKists need to Wake
        the "F" Up... before it's too
        late!

        Prometheus
      • prometheus_973
        Happy New Year Everyone! I thought I d bring this subject back for another look. I ve noticed that the FB activity has picked up for EKists. Odd isn t it, that
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 2, 2013
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          Happy New Year Everyone!
          I thought I'd bring this
          subject back for another
          look. I've noticed that
          the FB activity has picked
          up for EKists. Odd isn't it,
          that the EMF/EMR dangers
          have been set aside as
          though it never existed.

          Isn't it odd, as well, that
          ECKists are so preoccupied
          with angels of the non-
          human kind? I think it is.
          They write and read and
          recommend books on:
          Animal Angels; Dog Angels;
          Cat Angels; Horse Angels.
          Whatever happened to
          Human (people) Angels?

          Or, are these EK Masters
          mistaken for angels?
          Actually, it doesn't seem
          so. They wouldn't lower
          themselves to the mundane.
          I'm thinking of the "Parking
          Space Angel."

          Angels, according to
          Klemp's 1st Lexicon,
          are defined as:

          "Beings above the ordinary
          man who help to serve
          man in many ways; also
          called PRETS, DEVTAS,
          BHUTS, DEVAS, etc. They
          have great powers and
          are quite willing to serve
          people who live in harmony
          with them." [page 10]

          However, HK never mentions
          "Animal" Angels of any sort.
          Plus, when I looked up BHUTS
          in the same EK Lexicon it
          stated: "Beings in the subtle
          region close to earth; a kind
          of ANGEL above ordinary
          humans who help in many
          ways." [page 22]

          So, now Klemp is saying
          that these "beings" are a
          "kind of Angel." Plus, HK
          states that these angels
          of sorts (Bhuts, Devas,
          Devtas, Prets) reside "in
          the subtle region close
          to earth." So, where would
          that be? Okay. It's the
          ASTRAL PLANE!

          However, Klemp also
          states that these Angels
          are "above the ordinary
          man." But, don't ECKists
          believe that they, too,
          are above the ordinary
          man and are, also, above
          these Astral Plane Angels?

          Really, this is just common
          logic via using Eckankar's
          own dogma and Klemp's
          approved view of these
          matters.

          Therefore, why do EKists
          have a need for Angels of
          any sort when they, themselves,
          should be above the "great"
          Astral Powers of these angels?

          Well, the truth is that EKists
          have no powers because
          Klemp (their LEM/Mahanta)
          has no powers.

          Therefore, EKists have to
          imagine that someone else
          (angels, masters, mahanta)
          are in charge and lord over
          them. Except, EKists are the
          ones who always do the real
          serving.

          Strange that Angels have
          become the imaginary caregivers
          for animals versus mankind.

          Whatever happened to Prajapati
          the ECK Master who cares for
          animals [pg. 163]? Why aren't
          ECKists looking to or writing
          about him? Is it this "Common
          Language" thing, again, where
          EKists fool people into believing
          they, too, have "angel" beliefs?
          I think so! It's a scam that these
          EKists are playing on themselves
          and others.

          Plus, this same 1st EK Lexicon
          talks about the "Protean Soul."
          It's a "Higher form of the ASTRAL
          BODY used at times by the Master
          to appear to the chela; his thought
          can force it to assume any shape
          or form." [page 167]

          So, are these Angels actually
          the Protean Soul, Upper Astral
          Body, of Master Klemp? Hmmm.
          I wonder why he doesn't appear
          in this form at EK Seminars in
          Afrika. I guess, according to
          ones imaginable capabilities
          and powers of suggestion,
          he does!

          Prometheus




          prometheus wrote:

          Hello All,
          Isn't it odd that Klemp,
          who talks about the
          harm that EMF/EMR can
          cause, is encouraging
          EKists to "friend/subscribe"
          ECKankar on FACEBOOK!

          Is HK intentionally putting
          ECKists in harm's way?

          Or, is there no longer any
          concern for harm caused
          by EMF/EMR?

          Klemp claims to "protect"
          ECKists but I'm not sure
          from what. And, I doubt
          that ECKists are all that
          sure either. Is the EMF
          scare, now, no longer
          convenient since EK is
          on FB?

          Klemp doesn't protect EKies
          from making bad decisions
          so there's no guidance is
          there? It seems HK will say
          anything when it benefits
          him and he can side-step
          responsibility.

          After all, Klemp doesn't protect
          his chelas from getting cancer
          or from getting other diseases
          on this lowest of Planes. Where
          is the GODman's power to protect?
          Klemp can't even "protect" his
          chelas by directing them to
          the right doctor, insurance,
          or preventative procedures.
          Was HK's fall on "Black Ice"
          a Waking Dream or ECK Wisdom
          for ECKists to see that Klemp
          is a "Black Magician?" Is the
          ECK warning ECKists by causing
          HK to break his hip? Or, did
          HK's negativity "cause" him
          to be injured? Klemp can't
          even "protect" himself, or
          is the story/excuse a continuation
          of the holding tank for karma
          con?

          This, lack of outer protection
          and inner guidance is strange
          since (according to EK Dogma)
          Klemp, as the LEM/Mahanta,
          has authority over his chelas
          versus that of KAL.

          Promises, promises, but no
          help. If anything, Klemp uses
          negativity by side-stepping
          his own responsibility to his
          followers and doing a reversal
          ploy (with guilt) by placing
          blame on the ECKists for not
          doing everything they should
          have done (spiritually). Have
          they: Contemplated daily;
          HUed; are arahatas; are
          vahanas; volunteer, read
          the Shariyat; keep a dream
          journal; follow the four zoas;
          donate money; blah, blah!
          Or, didn't the suffering EKist
          "believe" strong enough?
          Wasn't he/she completely
          delusional and stupid and
          this is why "bad" common
          and everyday things happened...
          like with those who don't
          have the Mahanta's protection.

          Maybe some EKists have trusted
          too much in the Mahanta and
          didn't follow through on that
          medical condition and check-up
          as a more rational person would
          have done?

          Really!

          If Klemp never accepts
          blame for not being there,
          except in the occasional
          dream or an imagined mock-
          up, then, that leaves only
          the chela as the responsible
          adult. In truth Klemp is harming
          ECKists by misleading them
          to think that he is guiding
          and protecting them via
          "signs" etc.

          What a scam! What a con!
          Yet, ECKists, somehow,
          don't seem to mind nor
          are they capable of connecting-
          the-dots in order to see
          through their veil of delusion.
          There is a correlation with
          Klemp and ECKankar to all
          other fake masters, Popes,
          preachers and to all of the
          other false religions in the
          world. ECKists need to Wake
          the "F" Up... before it's too
          late!

          Prometheus
        • Janice Pfeiffer
          Sounds like to me two things are going on.  HK is changing the teachings of eckankar to concentrate on other things so people will stop talking about Paul
          Message 4 of 5 , Jan 3, 2013
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            Sounds like to me two things are going on.  HK is changing the teachings of eckankar to concentrate on other things so people will stop talking about Paul Twitchell's antics.  Second, it seems eckankar is getting more desperate to drum up new members.  A few years ago it was TV adds and now it is facebook.  One thing I really have trouble respecting eckist for is their lack of independent thought.  Whenever HK changes the rules no matter how drastic his ideas are from the few previous years, they just accept it.  Heck, they don't even seem to notice.  They all seem like a bunch of sheep who are expected to mirror whatever HK does. It is so pathetic in my opinion. 
            I guess HK now needs angels since he can relate those to his former Lutheran Bible teachings.  Even if he isn't using them as the Bible teaches, it is something he couldn't invent for himself.   The man just has no imagination or creativity at all.  He sounds desperate for something to replace Pauls lies.  Why in a few years, I imagine that those of us who got out wouldn't even recognize the eckankar teachings after  they do get rid of all that paul compiled and stole.  Yet eckist go on with out noticing a thing because whatever HK says must be right. 
            --- On Wed, 1/2/13, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:

            From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
            Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: ECKankar is on Facebook
            To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 7:17 PM

             
            Happy New Year Everyone!
            I thought I'd bring this
            subject back for another
            look. I've noticed that
            the FB activity has picked
            up for EKists. Odd isn't it,
            that the EMF/EMR dangers
            have been set aside as
            though it never existed.

            Isn't it odd, as well, that
            ECKists are so preoccupied
            with angels of the non-
            human kind? I think it is.
            They write and read and
            recommend books on:
            Animal Angels; Dog Angels;
            Cat Angels; Horse Angels.
            Whatever happened to
            Human (people) Angels?

            Or, are these EK Masters
            mistaken for angels?
            Actually, it doesn't seem
            so. They wouldn't lower
            themselves to the mundane.
            I'm thinking of the "Parking
            Space Angel."

            Angels, according to
            Klemp's 1st Lexicon,
            are defined as:

            "Beings above the ordinary
            man who help to serve
            man in many ways; also
            called PRETS, DEVTAS,
            BHUTS, DEVAS, etc. They
            have great powers and
            are quite willing to serve
            people who live in harmony
            with them." [page 10]

            However, HK never mentions
            "Animal" Angels of any sort.
            Plus, when I looked up BHUTS
            in the same EK Lexicon it
            stated: "Beings in the subtle
            region close to earth; a kind
            of ANGEL above ordinary
            humans who help in many
            ways." [page 22]

            So, now Klemp is saying
            that these "beings" are a
            "kind of Angel." Plus, HK
            states that these angels
            of sorts (Bhuts, Devas,
            Devtas, Prets) reside "in
            the subtle region close
            to earth." So, where would
            that be? Okay. It's the
            ASTRAL PLANE!

            However, Klemp also
            states that these Angels
            are "above the ordinary
            man." But, don't ECKists
            believe that they, too,
            are above the ordinary
            man and are, also, above
            these Astral Plane Angels?

            Really, this is just common
            logic via using Eckankar's
            own dogma and Klemp's
            approved view of these
            matters.

            Therefore, why do EKists
            have a need for Angels of
            any sort when they, themselves,
            should be above the "great"
            Astral Powers of these angels?

            Well, the truth is that EKists
            have no powers because
            Klemp (their LEM/Mahanta)
            has no powers.

            Therefore, EKists have to
            imagine that someone else
            (angels, masters, mahanta)
            are in charge and lord over
            them. Except, EKists are the
            ones who always do the real
            serving.

            Strange that Angels have
            become the imaginary caregivers
            for animals versus mankind.

            Whatever happened to Prajapati
            the ECK Master who cares for
            animals [pg. 163]? Why aren't
            ECKists looking to or writing
            about him? Is it this "Common
            Language" thing, again, where
            EKists fool people into believing
            they, too, have "angel" beliefs?
            I think so! It's a scam that these
            EKists are playing on themselves
            and others.

            Plus, this same 1st EK Lexicon
            talks about the "Protean Soul."
            It's a "Higher form of the ASTRAL
            BODY used at times by the Master
            to appear to the chela; his thought
            can force it to assume any shape
            or form." [page 167]

            So, are these Angels actually
            the Protean Soul, Upper Astral
            Body, of Master Klemp? Hmmm.
            I wonder why he doesn't appear
            in this form at EK Seminars in
            Afrika. I guess, according to
            ones imaginable capabilities
            and powers of suggestion,
            he does!

            Prometheus

            prometheus wrote:

            Hello All,
            Isn't it odd that Klemp,
            who talks about the
            harm that EMF/EMR can
            cause, is encouraging
            EKists to "friend/subscribe"
            ECKankar on FACEBOOK!

            Is HK intentionally putting
            ECKists in harm's way?

            Or, is there no longer any
            concern for harm caused
            by EMF/EMR?

            Klemp claims to "protect"
            ECKists but I'm not sure
            from what. And, I doubt
            that ECKists are all that
            sure either. Is the EMF
            scare, now, no longer
            convenient since EK is
            on FB?

            Klemp doesn't protect EKies
            from making bad decisions
            so there's no guidance is
            there? It seems HK will say
            anything when it benefits
            him and he can side-step
            responsibility.

            After all, Klemp doesn't protect
            his chelas from getting cancer
            or from getting other diseases
            on this lowest of Planes. Where
            is the GODman's power to protect?
            Klemp can't even "protect" his
            chelas by directing them to
            the right doctor, insurance,
            or preventative procedures.
            Was HK's fall on "Black Ice"
            a Waking Dream or ECK Wisdom
            for ECKists to see that Klemp
            is a "Black Magician?" Is the
            ECK warning ECKists by causing
            HK to break his hip? Or, did
            HK's negativity "cause" him
            to be injured? Klemp can't
            even "protect" himself, or
            is the story/excuse a continuation
            of the holding tank for karma
            con?

            This, lack of outer protection
            and inner guidance is strange
            since (according to EK Dogma)
            Klemp, as the LEM/Mahanta,
            has authority over his chelas
            versus that of KAL.

            Promises, promises, but no
            help. If anything, Klemp uses
            negativity by side-stepping
            his own responsibility to his
            followers and doing a reversal
            ploy (with guilt) by placing
            blame on the ECKists for not
            doing everything they should
            have done (spiritually). Have
            they: Contemplated daily;
            HUed; are arahatas; are
            vahanas; volunteer, read
            the Shariyat; keep a dream
            journal; follow the four zoas;
            donate money; blah, blah!
            Or, didn't the suffering EKist
            "believe" strong enough?
            Wasn't he/she completely
            delusional and stupid and
            this is why "bad" common
            and everyday things happened...
            like with those who don't
            have the Mahanta's protection.

            Maybe some EKists have trusted
            too much in the Mahanta and
            didn't follow through on that
            medical condition and check-up
            as a more rational person would
            have done?

            Really!

            If Klemp never accepts
            blame for not being there,
            except in the occasional
            dream or an imagined mock-
            up, then, that leaves only
            the chela as the responsible
            adult. In truth Klemp is harming
            ECKists by misleading them
            to think that he is guiding
            and protecting them via
            "signs" etc.

            What a scam! What a con!
            Yet, ECKists, somehow,
            don't seem to mind nor
            are they capable of connecting-
            the-dots in order to see
            through their veil of delusion.
            There is a correlation with
            Klemp and ECKankar to all
            other fake masters, Popes,
            preachers and to all of the
            other false religions in the
            world. ECKists need to Wake
            the "F" Up... before it's too
            late!

            Prometheus

          • iam999freedom
            Yes Janice those are very thoughtful insights into Eckthink. No questions whatsoever about the teachings. Just take it to the inner and if there is no answer
            Message 5 of 5 , Jan 3, 2013
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              Yes Janice those are very thoughtful insights into Eckthink. No questions whatsoever about the teachings. Just take it to the inner and if there is no answer there it must be the seeker who is doing something wrong.

              I can remember a 4th initiate who kept saying he followed Eckankar on blind faith. Imagine being on a path for more than 20 years and just blindly following it. And the guy had a law degree! LOL

              At what point does the cattle drive stop? There was a time when HK strongly suggested (demanded) that Eckists bring anybody they knew into their local Eck Centre for a look see and to hopefully buy a book. I was so embarrassed about it all I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

              I AM

              --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
              >
              > Sounds like to me two things are going on.  HK is changing the teachings of eckankar to concentrate on other things so people will stop talking about Paul Twitchell's antics.  Second, it seems eckankar is getting more desperate to drum up new members.  A few years ago it was TV adds and now it is facebook.  One thing I really have trouble respecting eckist for is their lack of independent thought.  Whenever HK changes the rules no matter how drastic his ideas are from the few previous years, they just accept it.  Heck, they don't even seem to notice.  They all seem like a bunch of sheep who are expected to mirror whatever HK does. It is so pathetic in my opinion. 
              > I guess HK now needs angels since he can relate those to his former Lutheran Bible teachings.  Even if he isn't using them as the Bible teaches, it is something he couldn't invent for himself.   The man just has no imagination or creativity at all.  He sounds desperate for something to replace Pauls lies.  Why in a few years, I imagine that those of us who got out wouldn't even recognize the eckankar teachings after  they do get rid of all that paul compiled and stole.  Yet eckist go on with out noticing a thing because whatever HK says must be right. 
              > --- On Wed, 1/2/13, prometheus_973 wrote:
              >
              >
              > From: prometheus_973
              > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: ECKankar is on Facebook
              > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 7:17 PM
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              > Happy New Year Everyone!
              > I thought I'd bring this
              > subject back for another
              > look. I've noticed that
              > the FB activity has picked
              > up for EKists. Odd isn't it,
              > that the EMF/EMR dangers
              > have been set aside as
              > though it never existed.
              >
              > Isn't it odd, as well, that
              > ECKists are so preoccupied
              > with angels of the non-
              > human kind? I think it is.
              > They write and read and
              > recommend books on:
              > Animal Angels; Dog Angels;
              > Cat Angels; Horse Angels.
              > Whatever happened to
              > Human (people) Angels?
              >
              > Or, are these EK Masters
              > mistaken for angels?
              > Actually, it doesn't seem
              > so. They wouldn't lower
              > themselves to the mundane.
              > I'm thinking of the "Parking
              > Space Angel."
              >
              > Angels, according to
              > Klemp's 1st Lexicon,
              > are defined as:
              >
              > "Beings above the ordinary
              > man who help to serve
              > man in many ways; also
              > called PRETS, DEVTAS,
              > BHUTS, DEVAS, etc. They
              > have great powers and
              > are quite willing to serve
              > people who live in harmony
              > with them." [page 10]
              >
              > However, HK never mentions
              > "Animal" Angels of any sort.
              > Plus, when I looked up BHUTS
              > in the same EK Lexicon it
              > stated: "Beings in the subtle
              > region close to earth; a kind
              > of ANGEL above ordinary
              > humans who help in many
              > ways." [page 22]
              >
              > So, now Klemp is saying
              > that these "beings" are a
              > "kind of Angel." Plus, HK
              > states that these angels
              > of sorts (Bhuts, Devas,
              > Devtas, Prets) reside "in
              > the subtle region close
              > to earth." So, where would
              > that be? Okay. It's the
              > ASTRAL PLANE!
              >
              > However, Klemp also
              > states that these Angels
              > are "above the ordinary
              > man." But, don't ECKists
              > believe that they, too,
              > are above the ordinary
              > man and are, also, above
              > these Astral Plane Angels?
              >
              > Really, this is just common
              > logic via using Eckankar's
              > own dogma and Klemp's
              > approved view of these
              > matters.
              >
              > Therefore, why do EKists
              > have a need for Angels of
              > any sort when they, themselves,
              > should be above the "great"
              > Astral Powers of these angels?
              >
              > Well, the truth is that EKists
              > have no powers because
              > Klemp (their LEM/Mahanta)
              > has no powers.
              >
              > Therefore, EKists have to
              > imagine that someone else
              > (angels, masters, mahanta)
              > are in charge and lord over
              > them. Except, EKists are the
              > ones who always do the real
              > serving.
              >
              > Strange that Angels have
              > become the imaginary caregivers
              > for animals versus mankind.
              >
              > Whatever happened to Prajapati
              > the ECK Master who cares for
              > animals [pg. 163]? Why aren't
              > ECKists looking to or writing
              > about him? Is it this "Common
              > Language" thing, again, where
              > EKists fool people into believing
              > they, too, have "angel" beliefs?
              > I think so! It's a scam that these
              > EKists are playing on themselves
              > and others.
              >
              > Plus, this same 1st EK Lexicon
              > talks about the "Protean Soul."
              > It's a "Higher form of the ASTRAL
              > BODY used at times by the Master
              > to appear to the chela; his thought
              > can force it to assume any shape
              > or form." [page 167]
              >
              > So, are these Angels actually
              > the Protean Soul, Upper Astral
              > Body, of Master Klemp? Hmmm.
              > I wonder why he doesn't appear
              > in this form at EK Seminars in
              > Afrika. I guess, according to
              > ones imaginable capabilities
              > and powers of suggestion,
              > he does!
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              > prometheus wrote:
              >
              > Hello All,
              > Isn't it odd that Klemp,
              > who talks about the
              > harm that EMF/EMR can
              > cause, is encouraging
              > EKists to "friend/subscribe"
              > ECKankar on FACEBOOK!
              >
              > Is HK intentionally putting
              > ECKists in harm's way?
              >
              > Or, is there no longer any
              > concern for harm caused
              > by EMF/EMR?
              >
              > Klemp claims to "protect"
              > ECKists but I'm not sure
              > from what. And, I doubt
              > that ECKists are all that
              > sure either. Is the EMF
              > scare, now, no longer
              > convenient since EK is
              > on FB?
              >
              > Klemp doesn't protect EKies
              > from making bad decisions
              > so there's no guidance is
              > there? It seems HK will say
              > anything when it benefits
              > him and he can side-step
              > responsibility.
              >
              > After all, Klemp doesn't protect
              > his chelas from getting cancer
              > or from getting other diseases
              > on this lowest of Planes. Where
              > is the GODman's power to protect?
              > Klemp can't even "protect" his
              > chelas by directing them to
              > the right doctor, insurance,
              > or preventative procedures.
              > Was HK's fall on "Black Ice"
              > a Waking Dream or ECK Wisdom
              > for ECKists to see that Klemp
              > is a "Black Magician?" Is the
              > ECK warning ECKists by causing
              > HK to break his hip? Or, did
              > HK's negativity "cause" him
              > to be injured? Klemp can't
              > even "protect" himself, or
              > is the story/excuse a continuation
              > of the holding tank for karma
              > con?
              >
              > This, lack of outer protection
              > and inner guidance is strange
              > since (according to EK Dogma)
              > Klemp, as the LEM/Mahanta,
              > has authority over his chelas
              > versus that of KAL.
              >
              > Promises, promises, but no
              > help. If anything, Klemp uses
              > negativity by side-stepping
              > his own responsibility to his
              > followers and doing a reversal
              > ploy (with guilt) by placing
              > blame on the ECKists for not
              > doing everything they should
              > have done (spiritually). Have
              > they: Contemplated daily;
              > HUed; are arahatas; are
              > vahanas; volunteer, read
              > the Shariyat; keep a dream
              > journal; follow the four zoas;
              > donate money; blah, blah!
              > Or, didn't the suffering EKist
              > "believe" strong enough?
              > Wasn't he/she completely
              > delusional and stupid and
              > this is why "bad" common
              > and everyday things happened...
              > like with those who don't
              > have the Mahanta's protection.
              >
              > Maybe some EKists have trusted
              > too much in the Mahanta and
              > didn't follow through on that
              > medical condition and check-up
              > as a more rational person would
              > have done?
              >
              > Really!
              >
              > If Klemp never accepts
              > blame for not being there,
              > except in the occasional
              > dream or an imagined mock-
              > up, then, that leaves only
              > the chela as the responsible
              > adult. In truth Klemp is harming
              > ECKists by misleading them
              > to think that he is guiding
              > and protecting them via
              > "signs" etc.
              >
              > What a scam! What a con!
              > Yet, ECKists, somehow,
              > don't seem to mind nor
              > are they capable of connecting-
              > the-dots in order to see
              > through their veil of delusion.
              > There is a correlation with
              > Klemp and ECKankar to all
              > other fake masters, Popes,
              > preachers and to all of the
              > other false religions in the
              > world. ECKists need to Wake
              > the "F" Up... before it's too
              > late!
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
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