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  • prometheus_973
    Hello Z and All, Yes, it is my understanding that he joined the E-cult in 1971. [sorry for the reposts] Was The Lost Slipper of Soul printed by Eckankar?
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 14, 2012
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      Hello Z and All,
      Yes, it is my understanding
      that he joined the E-cult
      in 1971.

      [sorry for the reposts]

      Was "The Lost Slipper
      of Soul" printed by
      Eckankar?

      BTW-It seems that the
      "Kip" character is the
      alter ego of the author.
      So, perhaps, HK isn't
      all that impressive
      of a "Master/Mahanta"
      for this H.I., and I'm
      thinking that he no
      longer buys into Twit's
      plagiarisms and fiction.

      IMO, Based upon the
      story line, many of us
      former long-time EK
      leaders could have
      written a similar book.
      And, one could easily
      substitute "Truth Seeker"
      for "Karma Seeker," and
      "ECKankar" for "League."

      FYI: I Googled his
      Karma-Seeker website
      where he gives "Card
      Readings" via phone.
      So, why would a person
      still be an H.I. If he
      does Card Readings?

      Here's some info on the
      book from Amazon.


      BOOK DESCRIPTION:

      "What is the true test of spirituality?
      Is it loyalty to a master, group, or
      teaching? Or is it having the courage
      to act on one's deepest convictions,
      even in the face of disapproval and
      sanction?

      This is the question that confronts
      Kip Morgan.

      Kip is a karma seeker—an individual
      committed to testing himself by means
      of his own choices. For such people,
      who are engaged in an experiment
      with unknown forces, there is no way
      to prove that they are fit to discover
      what they seek except by doing it.

      As a young man, Kip joins the League,
      one of the burgeoning new age spiritual
      groups of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
      He learns the fundamentals of its teachings,
      which involve cultivating inner experiences
      through contemplation, dreams, and out-
      of-body experiences.

      The high point of his experience comes
      with his initiation into the League's inner
      circle, a transcendent event that significantly
      alters his view of life. It doesn't take long,
      however, before he discovers how fragile
      this experience is, and how difficult it is
      to hold on to his new state of consciousness.

      Kip embarks on a quest that takes him
      beyond the confines of the League.

      Eventually, he comes to question the
      group's claim to exclusivity, and to see
      it as merely a portal to a universal spiritual
      path.

      As he becomes less reliant on the League
      and its members for support and guidance,
      he is torn between his personal vision of
      truth and his fear of spiritual failure. This
      puts him on a collision course with the League
      President, the group's ultimate spiritual authority.

      The Karma Seeker is a far-reaching guidebook
      to contemporary spirituality. It presents the
      reader with the essential paradigm of the modern
      spiritual path—its highs and lows, its rewards
      and pitfalls. It illustrates how individuals who
      embark on such a path are tested in the areas
      of their greatest deficiency in order to build up
      their spiritual strength, all so that they may
      eventually become active participants in their
      own destiny." [end]



      "zephrendhun" wrote:
      >
      > Dear Prom and all,
      >
      > Interesting thing about this book is that its original title was " The Lost
      Slipper of Soul " and I have that version. I also know the author who is a fine
      enough chap but I think Stefan is still an H.I. I believe he is an H.I. 'on the
      fence', so to speak. Many H.I.'s remain in Eckrakorn, hoping that Harry the
      Klempster will soon retire or die. Then they can see if they will become the
      next LEM or if Harry's replacement is ok, then they will probably continue with
      their delusion that Eckrakorn is a true spiritual path and not just the cult it
      is. Its tough being an individual and losing all of the friends and acquantences
      one encounters in the E-cult. But their true reason for excommunicating a long
      time freind is that they really have their doubts about this crap's truth as
      well. Besides after being a none E-cultist for a while, I have formed some
      significant friendships that really don't give a s**t what my religious views
      are. The road is lonely sometimes on one own path, but there are no lies or
      delusions. Divine Source loves spiritual renegades, just check out Jesus the
      Christ. Enuff said. Peace and chicken grease!
      >
      > Zephrendhun
    • Sharon
      So, another eckanborg crawls out of the woodwork, selling a book and card readings, much like the Twitchster when he started out - so, Stefan, what are you
      Message 2 of 4 , Nov 15, 2012
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        So, another eckanborg crawls out of the woodwork, selling a book and card readings, much like the Twitchster when he started out - so, Stefan, what are you going to call your "path" when you get enough followers? Or don't you have a name for it yet?

        So, you're keeping your membership and HI "status" - understandable, like Jerry Mulvin to Ford Johnson, ekult is a good source of new members. Are you afraid to lose those initiations and return to the consciousness of a rock? And wander for eternity in astral hell until you come crawling back to "the master"?

        You don't want ECKANKAR mentioned in book reviews at Amazon? Why not? You've got ECKANKAR at the top of your links list at your karmaseeker website.

        It's so sad what 20 years in ekult does to people. I doubt very much if you "get" what's wrong with this whole picture, with what you're doing.

        I left ekult because honesty and integrity are important to me. Two qualities which are lacking in ekult as an organization, and in so many of its members, especially those who've been in it for many years.

        "a far-reaching guidebook to contemporary spirituality" ???????

        I think not.


        Sharon






        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hello Z and All,
        > Yes, it is my understanding
        > that he joined the E-cult
        > in 1971.
        >
        > [sorry for the reposts]
        >
        > Was "The Lost Slipper
        > of Soul" printed by
        > Eckankar?
        >
        > BTW-It seems that the
        > "Kip" character is the
        > alter ego of the author.
        > So, perhaps, HK isn't
        > all that impressive
        > of a "Master/Mahanta"
        > for this H.I., and I'm
        > thinking that he no
        > longer buys into Twit's
        > plagiarisms and fiction.
        >
        > IMO, Based upon the
        > story line, many of us
        > former long-time EK
        > leaders could have
        > written a similar book.
        > And, one could easily
        > substitute "Truth Seeker"
        > for "Karma Seeker," and
        > "ECKankar" for "League."
        >
        > FYI: I Googled his
        > Karma-Seeker website
        > where he gives "Card
        > Readings" via phone.
        > So, why would a person
        > still be an H.I. If he
        > does Card Readings?
        >
        > Here's some info on the
        > book from Amazon.
        >
        >
        > BOOK DESCRIPTION:
        >
        > "What is the true test of spirituality?
        > Is it loyalty to a master, group, or
        > teaching? Or is it having the courage
        > to act on one's deepest convictions,
        > even in the face of disapproval and
        > sanction?
        >
        > This is the question that confronts
        > Kip Morgan.
        >
        > Kip is a karma seeker—an individual
        > committed to testing himself by means
        > of his own choices. For such people,
        > who are engaged in an experiment
        > with unknown forces, there is no way
        > to prove that they are fit to discover
        > what they seek except by doing it.
        >
        > As a young man, Kip joins the League,
        > one of the burgeoning new age spiritual
        > groups of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
        > He learns the fundamentals of its teachings,
        > which involve cultivating inner experiences
        > through contemplation, dreams, and out-
        > of-body experiences.
        >
        > The high point of his experience comes
        > with his initiation into the League's inner
        > circle, a transcendent event that significantly
        > alters his view of life. It doesn't take long,
        > however, before he discovers how fragile
        > this experience is, and how difficult it is
        > to hold on to his new state of consciousness.
        >
        > Kip embarks on a quest that takes him
        > beyond the confines of the League.
        >
        > Eventually, he comes to question the
        > group's claim to exclusivity, and to see
        > it as merely a portal to a universal spiritual
        > path.
        >
        > As he becomes less reliant on the League
        > and its members for support and guidance,
        > he is torn between his personal vision of
        > truth and his fear of spiritual failure. This
        > puts him on a collision course with the League
        > President, the group's ultimate spiritual authority.
        >
        > The Karma Seeker is a far-reaching guidebook
        > to contemporary spirituality. It presents the
        > reader with the essential paradigm of the modern
        > spiritual path—its highs and lows, its rewards
        > and pitfalls. It illustrates how individuals who
        > embark on such a path are tested in the areas
        > of their greatest deficiency in order to build up
        > their spiritual strength, all so that they may
        > eventually become active participants in their
        > own destiny." [end]
        >
        >
        >
        > "zephrendhun" wrote:
        > >
        > > Dear Prom and all,
        > >
        > > Interesting thing about this book is that its original title was " The Lost
        > Slipper of Soul " and I have that version. I also know the author who is a fine
        > enough chap but I think Stefan is still an H.I. I believe he is an H.I. 'on the
        > fence', so to speak. Many H.I.'s remain in Eckrakorn, hoping that Harry the
        > Klempster will soon retire or die. Then they can see if they will become the
        > next LEM or if Harry's replacement is ok, then they will probably continue with
        > their delusion that Eckrakorn is a true spiritual path and not just the cult it
        > is. Its tough being an individual and losing all of the friends and acquantences
        > one encounters in the E-cult. But their true reason for excommunicating a long
        > time freind is that they really have their doubts about this crap's truth as
        > well. Besides after being a none E-cultist for a while, I have formed some
        > significant friendships that really don't give a s**t what my religious views
        > are. The road is lonely sometimes on one own path, but there are no lies or
        > delusions. Divine Source loves spiritual renegades, just check out Jesus the
        > Christ. Enuff said. Peace and chicken grease!
        > >
        > > Zephrendhun
        >
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Sharon and All, S.M. sent me a message and wanted to have his name removed so that he couldn t be traced, but mentioning the book s title doesn t require
        Message 3 of 4 , Nov 16, 2012
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          Hello Sharon and All,
          S.M. sent me a message
          and wanted to have his
          name removed so that
          he couldn't be traced,
          but mentioning the book's
          title doesn't require
          much sleuthing in order
          to discover the author's
          real name (Google and
          discover his Karma-Seeker
          site... and he's on FB too!).

          Anyway, I removed one
          of his posts and was trying
          to edit his name out of
          another but I must
          have done something
          wrong and his entire
          post was removed.

          Did he send you something
          too? Maybe he's fishing
          for customers because
          the EK pond has been
          fished out?

          BTW- Someone asked to
          be able to join ESA and
          said they had nice things
          to say about Jerry Mulvin.
          I approved their membership
          out of curiosity, but they
          will be monitored until
          I can determine if their
          status should be changed.

          It's funny that Stefan does
          "Card Reading" via phone,
          yet, claims it's "not psychic."
          Apparently the spiel is that
          the technique he uses is
          "spiritual" or maybe involves
          "Quantum Physics." It kind
          of reminded of the TV show
          The Mentalist where Patrick
          Jane states that the psychic
          doesn't exist and that selling
          it is just a con/scam and
          that all he actually does
          to 'know things' is to "pay
          attention."

          I didn't check to see that
          Stefan had mentioned E-cult
          in his links. For someone
          who has the educational
          credentials that he has it
          makes one wonder about
          his inability to connect-
          the-dots and cover his
          tracks. Being an H.I. for
          a long period of time
          either makes one more
          skeptical or more delusional
          via denial.

          Of course, one could wonder
          about the same in regards to
          Klemp. Except, he's in it for
          the Prestige, Money, and Power.

          ECKists should ask: Why isn't
          the ALL KNOWING Mahanta
          Aware of his wayward H.I.s?
          Otherwise HK would do something
          about the problem like he did
          with others right? Maybe Klemp
          is only "aware" when someone
          informs him via a snail-mail
          letter like Ford did.

          The real reason for Klemp's
          inattention to what his H.I.'s
          are doing is that he's a fake
          prophet and is in it for profit!

          But, what's going on with
          HK's Secret RESA Police?
          Why hasn't this guy been
          ferreted out, detained,
          questioned, suspended
          from Satsang duties and
          reported to the ESC? Local
          H.I.s via Internet or 'phone
          tree' need to be warned
          as well! Who's the RESA
          now for Massachusetts?
          Stefan is in Boston right?

          Prometheus

          "Sharon" brighttigress wrote:
          So, another eckanborg crawls out of the woodwork, selling a book and card
          readings, much like the Twitchster when he started out - so, Stefan, what are
          you going to call your "path" when you get enough followers? Or don't you have
          a name for it yet?

          So, you're keeping your membership and HI "status" - understandable, like Jerry
          Mulvin to Ford Johnson, ekult is a good source of new members. Are you afraid
          to lose those initiations and return to the consciousness of a rock? And wander
          for eternity in astral hell until you come crawling back to "the master"?

          You don't want ECKANKAR mentioned in book reviews at Amazon? Why not? You've
          got ECKANKAR at the top of your links list at your karmaseeker website.

          It's so sad what 20 years in ekult does to people. I doubt very much if you
          "get" what's wrong with this whole picture, with what you're doing.

          I left ekult because honesty and integrity are important to me. Two qualities
          which are lacking in ekult as an organization, and in so many of its members,
          especially those who've been in it for many years.

          "a far-reaching guidebook to contemporary spirituality" ???????

          I think not.


          Sharon


          prometheus wrote:
          >
          > Hello Z and All,
          > Yes, it is my understanding
          > that he joined the E-cult
          > in 1971.
          >
          > [sorry for the reposts]
          >
          > Was "The Lost Slipper
          > of Soul" printed by
          > Eckankar?
          >
          > BTW-It seems that the
          > "Kip" character is the
          > alter ego of the author.
          > So, perhaps, HK isn't
          > all that impressive
          > of a "Master/Mahanta"
          > for this H.I., and I'm
          > thinking that he no
          > longer buys into Twit's
          > plagiarisms and fiction.
          >
          > IMO, Based upon the
          > story line, many of us
          > former long-time EK
          > leaders could have
          > written a similar book.
          > And, one could easily
          > substitute "Truth Seeker"
          > for "Karma Seeker," and
          > "ECKankar" for "League."
          >
          > FYI: I Googled his
          > Karma-Seeker website
          > where he gives "Card
          > Readings" via phone.
          > So, why would a person
          > still be an H.I. If he
          > does Card Readings?
          >
          > Here's some info on the
          > book from Amazon.
          >
          >
          > BOOK DESCRIPTION:
          >
          > "What is the true test of spirituality?
          > Is it loyalty to a master, group, or
          > teaching? Or is it having the courage
          > to act on one's deepest convictions,
          > even in the face of disapproval and
          > sanction?
          >
          > This is the question that confronts
          > Kip Morgan.
          >
          > Kip is a karma seeker—an individual
          > committed to testing himself by means
          > of his own choices. For such people,
          > who are engaged in an experiment
          > with unknown forces, there is no way
          > to prove that they are fit to discover
          > what they seek except by doing it.
          >
          > As a young man, Kip joins the League,
          > one of the burgeoning new age spiritual
          > groups of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
          > He learns the fundamentals of its teachings,
          > which involve cultivating inner experiences
          > through contemplation, dreams, and out-
          > of-body experiences.
          >
          > The high point of his experience comes
          > with his initiation into the League's inner
          > circle, a transcendent event that significantly
          > alters his view of life. It doesn't take long,
          > however, before he discovers how fragile
          > this experience is, and how difficult it is
          > to hold on to his new state of consciousness.
          >
          > Kip embarks on a quest that takes him
          > beyond the confines of the League.
          >
          > Eventually, he comes to question the
          > group's claim to exclusivity, and to see
          > it as merely a portal to a universal spiritual
          > path.
          >
          > As he becomes less reliant on the League
          > and its members for support and guidance,
          > he is torn between his personal vision of
          > truth and his fear of spiritual failure. This
          > puts him on a collision course with the League
          > President, the group's ultimate spiritual authority.
          >
          > The Karma Seeker is a far-reaching guidebook
          > to contemporary spirituality. It presents the
          > reader with the essential paradigm of the modern
          > spiritual path—its highs and lows, its rewards
          > and pitfalls. It illustrates how individuals who
          > embark on such a path are tested in the areas
          > of their greatest deficiency in order to build up
          > their spiritual strength, all so that they may
          > eventually become active participants in their
          > own destiny." [end]
          >
          >
          >
          > "zephrendhun" wrote:
          > >
          > > Dear Prom and all,
          > >
          Interesting thing about this book is that its original title was
          "The Lost Slipper of Soul " and I have that version. I also know
          the author who is a fine enough chap but I think Stefan is still
          an H.I. I believe he is an H.I. 'on the fence', so to speak. Many
          H.I.'s remain in Eckrakorn, hoping that Harry the Klempster
          will soon retire or die. Then they can see if they will become
          the next LEM or if Harry's replacement is ok, then they will
          probably continue with their delusion that Eckrakorn is a true
          spiritual path and not just the cult it is. Its tough being an
          individual and losing all of the friends and acquantences one
          encounters in the E-cult. But their true reason for excommunicating
          a long time freind is that they really have their doubts about
          this crap's truth as well. Besides after being a none E-cultist
          for a while, I have formed some significant friendships that
          really don't give a s**t what my religious views are. The road
          is lonely sometimes on one own path, but there are no lies or
          delusions. Divine Source loves spiritual renegades, just check
          out Jesus the Christ. Enuff said. Peace and chicken grease!
          > >
          > > Zephrendhun
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