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  • Russ Rodnick
    I know Carol. I m sure she is totally sincere in what she claims. I didn t know she was into long distance healing. She used a machine in the past. Something
    Message 1 of 5 , Jul 18, 2012
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      I know Carol. I'm sure she is totally sincere in what she claims. I didn't know she was into long distance healing. She used a machine in the past. Something to do with electrical frequencies. Have you heard of or read "A Cure for All Cancers"? It's along the lines of those methods, I believe.
      Does it really work? Perhaps, in some cases. One's state of belief is a huge factor in healing, I believe.
       
      Good Day!

      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:18 PM
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Eckankar and Intergraded Quantum Wellness Therapies

       
      Hello All.
      I was recently alerted that
      Eckankar sent out a "Tips
      for ECK Study" for July 2012
      and that the woman mentioned
      below had an article in this
      ECK pub. I went on another
      related site and saw Carol
      Choclatt's (sic?) name! She's
      an H.I. and EK spokesperson
      from Texas but was listed
      on this Wellness site.

      It kind of makes one wonder.
      When this woman states that
      she helps or heals people from
      long distance is that like Reiki
      or what the Canadian con artist
      Adam Dreamhealer does?

      http://www.onlinewellnessnetwork.com/details.asp?name=Adelheid_Reinhardt_Practice_For_Integrated_Therapies&wpid=191

      But doesn't this New Age group/
      business conflict with Eckankar
      beliefs? What's Klemp up to, or
      doesn't he know about her business?

      Oh, btw, the article was about,
      The Masters' gazes which provide
      more... of harmony, of knowingness,
      of patience for unknown situations
      and of awareness of oneself as a
      happy Soul.

      Prometheus



    • prometheus_973
      Hello Russ and All, These people have a number of different promotions for holistic health. I have no idea what Carol s involvement is. Reiki is one promotion,
      Message 2 of 5 , Jul 18, 2012
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        Hello Russ and All,
        These people have a
        number of different
        promotions for holistic
        health. I have no idea
        what Carol's involvement
        is.

        Reiki is one promotion,
        meditation another,
        along with acupuncture
        and others. There's one
        method offered that is
        similar to Therapeutic
        Touch (the non-touch
        method) except they add
        the overly used New Age
        term "Quantum" which
        is supposed to be what
        this technique will develop
        into in the future. Thus,
        one will be able to do long
        distance (LD) healing with
        this method.

        I even saw the term "Avatar
        Masters," but it didn't have
        much info.

        Nowadays it seems that
        Klemp has approved of
        these Holistic Healing
        methods for businesses.
        Therefore, if people have
        the "credentials," an office,
        advertise, and charge money
        there's no EK Karma.

        If it's "New Age" it's okay
        with Klemp regardless of
        the snake oil. But, can one
        blame Klemp for approving
        of healing methods that
        have little to no scientific
        evidence associated with
        them and are difficult
        to prove or replicate? Yes!
        He's perpetuating a fraud!
        This is the same sort of
        misguided imaginative
        religious belief that he
        uses to influence and
        misdirect his flock. HK
        is like the EK or New
        Age version of O'Reilly
        on Fox news.

        It is interesting that so
        many Eckists seem to have
        their consciousness scattered
        with a hodgepodge of New
        Age thought, practices,
        and remedies such as Rune
        stones, crystals, homeopathy,
        etc., etc.

        On another note:
        It's rather funny, however,
        that EKies aren't ever supposed
        to use incense when they
        meditate/contemplate.
        How does that differ from
        smelling food already cooked,
        or being cooked, or those
        scented oil sticks? Incense
        is so New Age too! Maybe
        Klemp's problem with incense
        is that it's also associated
        with the Hippie Movement
        and the smoking of marijuana
        in order to hide the smell
        of Weed. Instead, back in
        the day, Klemp was going
        Wacky, not on tobaccy, but
        on swallowing Twitchell's
        snake oil.

        Prometheus


        Russ Rodnick wrote:
        I know Carol. I'm sure she is totally
        sincere in what she claims. I didn't
        know she was into long distance
        healing. She used a machine in the
        past. Something to do with electrical
        frequencies. Have you heard of or
        read "A Cure for All Cancers"? It's
        along the lines of those methods,
        I believe.

        Does it really work? Perhaps, in some
        cases. One's state of belief is a huge
        factor in healing, I believe.

        Good Day!

        prometheus wrote:

        Hello All.
        I was recently alerted that
        Eckankar sent out a "Tips
        for ECK Study" for July 2012
        and that the woman mentioned
        below had an article in this
        ECK pub. I went on another
        related site and saw Carol
        Choclatt's (sic?) name! She's
        an H.I. and EK spokesperson
        from Texas but was listed
        on this Wellness site.

        It kind of makes one wonder.
        When this woman states that
        she helps or heals people from
        long distance is that like Reiki
        or what the Canadian con artist
        Adam Dreamhealer does?

        http://www.onlinewellnessnetwork.com/details.asp?name=Adelheid_Reinhardt_Practic\
        e_For_Integrated_Therapies&wpid=191

        But doesn't this New Age group/
        business conflict with Eckankar
        beliefs? What's Klemp up to, or
        doesn't he know about her business?

        Oh, btw, the article was about,
        The Masters' gazes which provide
        more... of harmony, of knowingness,
        of patience for unknown situations
        and of awareness of oneself as a
        happy Soul.

        Prometheus
      • Janice Pfeiffer
        Doesn t Eckankar get something from these people that it promotes? I am thinking that is their angle.  ... From: prometheus_973
        Message 3 of 5 , Jul 18, 2012
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          Doesn't Eckankar get something from these people that it promotes? I am thinking that is their angle. 

          --- On Wed, 7/18/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:

          From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
          Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Eckankar and Intergraded Quantum Wellness Therapies
          To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 6:16 PM

           
          Hello Russ and All,
          These people have a
          number of different
          promotions for holistic
          health. I have no idea
          what Carol's involvement
          is.

          Reiki is one promotion,
          meditation another,
          along with acupuncture
          and others. There's one
          method offered that is
          similar to Therapeutic
          Touch (the non-touch
          method) except they add
          the overly used New Age
          term "Quantum" which
          is supposed to be what
          this technique will develop
          into in the future. Thus,
          one will be able to do long
          distance (LD) healing with
          this method.

          I even saw the term "Avatar
          Masters," but it didn't have
          much info.

          Nowadays it seems that
          Klemp has approved of
          these Holistic Healing
          methods for businesses.
          Therefore, if people have
          the "credentials," an office,
          advertise, and charge money
          there's no EK Karma.

          If it's "New Age" it's okay
          with Klemp regardless of
          the snake oil. But, can one
          blame Klemp for approving
          of healing methods that
          have little to no scientific
          evidence associated with
          them and are difficult
          to prove or replicate? Yes!
          He's perpetuating a fraud!
          This is the same sort of
          misguided imaginative
          religious belief that he
          uses to influence and
          misdirect his flock. HK
          is like the EK or New
          Age version of O'Reilly
          on Fox news.

          It is interesting that so
          many Eckists seem to have
          their consciousness scattered
          with a hodgepodge of New
          Age thought, practices,
          and remedies such as Rune
          stones, crystals, homeopathy,
          etc., etc.

          On another note:
          It's rather funny, however,
          that EKies aren't ever supposed
          to use incense when they
          meditate/contemplate.
          How does that differ from
          smelling food already cooked,
          or being cooked, or those
          scented oil sticks? Incense
          is so New Age too! Maybe
          Klemp's problem with incense
          is that it's also associated
          with the Hippie Movement
          and the smoking of marijuana
          in order to hide the smell
          of Weed. Instead, back in
          the day, Klemp was going
          Wacky, not on tobaccy, but
          on swallowing Twitchell's
          snake oil.

          Prometheus

          Russ Rodnick wrote:
          I know Carol. I'm sure she is totally
          sincere in what she claims. I didn't
          know she was into long distance
          healing. She used a machine in the
          past. Something to do with electrical
          frequencies. Have you heard of or
          read "A Cure for All Cancers"? It's
          along the lines of those methods,
          I believe.

          Does it really work? Perhaps, in some
          cases. One's state of belief is a huge
          factor in healing, I believe.

          Good Day!

          prometheus wrote:

          Hello All.
          I was recently alerted that
          Eckankar sent out a "Tips
          for ECK Study" for July 2012
          and that the woman mentioned
          below had an article in this
          ECK pub. I went on another
          related site and saw Carol
          Choclatt's (sic?) name! She's
          an H.I. and EK spokesperson
          from Texas but was listed
          on this Wellness site.

          It kind of makes one wonder.
          When this woman states that
          she helps or heals people from
          long distance is that like Reiki
          or what the Canadian con artist
          Adam Dreamhealer does?

          http://www.onlinewellnessnetwork.com/details.asp?name=Adelheid_Reinhardt_Practic\
          e_For_Integrated_Therapies&wpid=191


          But doesn't this New Age group/
          business conflict with Eckankar
          beliefs? What's Klemp up to, or
          doesn't he know about her business?

          Oh, btw, the article was about,
          The Masters' gazes which provide
          more... of harmony, of knowingness,
          of patience for unknown situations
          and of awareness of oneself as a
          happy Soul.

          Prometheus

        • robokidnx
          All you have to do to see eckankar as it really is, is peel back the the thin plastic seal that the public is allowed to see. In true biblical tradition,
          Message 4 of 5 , Jul 18, 2012
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            All you have to do to see eckankar as it really is, is peel back the the thin plastic seal that the public is allowed to see. In true biblical tradition, eckankar is a Soddom and Gemorah of new age wackage behind that cultivated, airbrushed exterior.

            Actually, anything and everything New Age goes and Klemp owns it.

            He's basically the New Age equivalent of a christian megachurch preacher. Yep. It's that crazy.



            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer <jepfeiffer@...> wrote:
            >
            > Doesn't Eckankar get something from these people that it promotes? I am thinking that is their angle. 
            >
            > --- On Wed, 7/18/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
            > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Eckankar and Intergraded Quantum Wellness Therapies
            > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
            > Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 6:16 PM
            >
            >
            >
            >  
            >
            >
            >
            > Hello Russ and All,
            > These people have a
            > number of different
            > promotions for holistic
            > health. I have no idea
            > what Carol's involvement
            > is.
            >
            > Reiki is one promotion,
            > meditation another,
            > along with acupuncture
            > and others. There's one
            > method offered that is
            > similar to Therapeutic
            > Touch (the non-touch
            > method) except they add
            > the overly used New Age
            > term "Quantum" which
            > is supposed to be what
            > this technique will develop
            > into in the future. Thus,
            > one will be able to do long
            > distance (LD) healing with
            > this method.
            >
            > I even saw the term "Avatar
            > Masters," but it didn't have
            > much info.
            >
            > Nowadays it seems that
            > Klemp has approved of
            > these Holistic Healing
            > methods for businesses.
            > Therefore, if people have
            > the "credentials," an office,
            > advertise, and charge money
            > there's no EK Karma.
            >
            > If it's "New Age" it's okay
            > with Klemp regardless of
            > the snake oil. But, can one
            > blame Klemp for approving
            > of healing methods that
            > have little to no scientific
            > evidence associated with
            > them and are difficult
            > to prove or replicate? Yes!
            > He's perpetuating a fraud!
            > This is the same sort of
            > misguided imaginative
            > religious belief that he
            > uses to influence and
            > misdirect his flock. HK
            > is like the EK or New
            > Age version of O'Reilly
            > on Fox news.
            >
            > It is interesting that so
            > many Eckists seem to have
            > their consciousness scattered
            > with a hodgepodge of New
            > Age thought, practices,
            > and remedies such as Rune
            > stones, crystals, homeopathy,
            > etc., etc.
            >
            > On another note:
            > It's rather funny, however,
            > that EKies aren't ever supposed
            > to use incense when they
            > meditate/contemplate.
            > How does that differ from
            > smelling food already cooked,
            > or being cooked, or those
            > scented oil sticks? Incense
            > is so New Age too! Maybe
            > Klemp's problem with incense
            > is that it's also associated
            > with the Hippie Movement
            > and the smoking of marijuana
            > in order to hide the smell
            > of Weed. Instead, back in
            > the day, Klemp was going
            > Wacky, not on tobaccy, but
            > on swallowing Twitchell's
            > snake oil.
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            > Russ Rodnick wrote:
            > I know Carol. I'm sure she is totally
            > sincere in what she claims. I didn't
            > know she was into long distance
            > healing. She used a machine in the
            > past. Something to do with electrical
            > frequencies. Have you heard of or
            > read "A Cure for All Cancers"? It's
            > along the lines of those methods,
            > I believe.
            >
            > Does it really work? Perhaps, in some
            > cases. One's state of belief is a huge
            > factor in healing, I believe.
            >
            > Good Day!
            >
            > prometheus wrote:
            >
            > Hello All.
            > I was recently alerted that
            > Eckankar sent out a "Tips
            > for ECK Study" for July 2012
            > and that the woman mentioned
            > below had an article in this
            > ECK pub. I went on another
            > related site and saw Carol
            > Choclatt's (sic?) name! She's
            > an H.I. and EK spokesperson
            > from Texas but was listed
            > on this Wellness site.
            >
            > It kind of makes one wonder.
            > When this woman states that
            > she helps or heals people from
            > long distance is that like Reiki
            > or what the Canadian con artist
            > Adam Dreamhealer does?
            >
            > http://www.onlinewellnessnetwork.com/details.asp?name=Adelheid_Reinhardt_Practic\
            > e_For_Integrated_Therapies&wpid=191
            >
            > But doesn't this New Age group/
            > business conflict with Eckankar
            > beliefs? What's Klemp up to, or
            > doesn't he know about her business?
            >
            > Oh, btw, the article was about,
            > The Masters' gazes which provide
            > more... of harmony, of knowingness,
            > of patience for unknown situations
            > and of awareness of oneself as a
            > happy Soul.
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
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