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Marriage Advice from A Master Recluse

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  • prometheus_973
    It seems Klemp can t help but show his inadequacies as a pseudo-expert of both spiritual and marriage counseling techniques. Q: Can you help me with any
    Message 1 of 4 , Jun 30, 2012
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      It seems Klemp can't help
      but show his inadequacies
      as a pseudo-expert of both
      "spiritual" and marriage
      counseling techniques.

      Q: Can you help me with any
      advice on how to keep the love
      flowing in my marriage? It's
      been strained lately.

      A: (HK) Communication is
      a difficult thing to keep open
      in any marriage.

      ME: Not true! I don't have that
      problem. If you're married to the
      right person, your Soulmate or
      Twin Soul, there's no work or
      maintenance involved. It's natural
      and effortless because both are
      like minded. Apparently Klemp
      has never had the Soulmate/
      Twin Soul experience and, thus,
      has no clue as to what he's talking
      about.

      HK: One useful technique when
      things get strained is for one
      person to interview the other
      for twenty minutes, with notes.

      ME: Is this what Harry and Joan
      do? That's both funny and sad!
      What's sadder is that EKists will
      emulate him and follow this really
      stupid advice.

      HK: The interviewer is free to
      ask whatever he wants. The
      only limitation is no question
      can be phrased so that it can
      be answered with a simple yes
      or no. That doesn't open communication.

      ME: The "Interviewer?" "He?"
      How about he and she?

      HK: The interviewer is not able
      to defend himself against any
      accusations but must sit there
      and take it. Of course, the roles
      change in twenty minutes. The
      other spouse then becomes the
      interviewer of hopes and dashed
      dreams.

      ME: You must sit there and
      take it? How about having a
      rule of not saying something
      you can't take back. And then
      the roles are switched around
      so that the other spouse can
      talk about "hopes and dashed
      dreams." That's ridiculous!

      HK: It is surprising what marriage
      partners learn about their companions
      that make them truly interesting
      people with goals too.

      ME: One learns that via daily
      sharing. Klemp is really comical.
      If one read all of his writings
      it would become apparent that
      he is incapable of showing empathy.
      He'll give Lip Service to the same
      things that Christians do, but
      he's too aloof because he actually
      believes that he's God like. This
      delusion has perpetuated his
      arrested development and has
      placed him more out of touch
      with his H.I.s and chelas. This
      is why he needs his RESAs and
      those snail mail letters in order
      to "know" what's happening.
      There is no "Inner" communication!

      —From Spiritual Wisdom on Relationships, by Harold Klemp
    • Non
      Klemp should be called THE LIVING LAME MASTER. His advise for communication in marriage would just cause more frustration and problems. In fact, the main
      Message 2 of 4 , Jun 30, 2012
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        Klemp should be called THE LIVING LAME MASTER. His advise for communication in marriage would just cause more frustration and problems. In fact, the main problem may be that eckists don't really practice good communication skills anyway. They are taught to follow advise through authoritarian hierarchical channels. Also, they don't have that much experience with the experience of what it means to be genuine and to accept that a certain amount of conflict is normal in even the most loving of relationships. Their idea of love is more of a concept anyway.
        The only good thing about this stupid advise, is that a few eckists may wake up and begin a life that is more genuine and free from clut like dictums and dogma.

        noneckster ; )

        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        > It seems Klemp can't help
        > but show his inadequacies
        > as a pseudo-expert of both
        > "spiritual" and marriage
        > counseling techniques.
        >
        > Q: Can you help me with any
        > advice on how to keep the love
        > flowing in my marriage? It's
        > been strained lately.
        >
        > A: (HK) Communication is
        > a difficult thing to keep open
        > in any marriage.
        >
        > ME: Not true! I don't have that
        > problem. If you're married to the
        > right person, your Soulmate or
        > Twin Soul, there's no work or
        > maintenance involved. It's natural
        > and effortless because both are
        > like minded. Apparently Klemp
        > has never had the Soulmate/
        > Twin Soul experience and, thus,
        > has no clue as to what he's talking
        > about.
        >
        > HK: One useful technique when
        > things get strained is for one
        > person to interview the other
        > for twenty minutes, with notes.
        >
        > ME: Is this what Harry and Joan
        > do? That's both funny and sad!
        > What's sadder is that EKists will
        > emulate him and follow this really
        > stupid advice.
        >
        > HK: The interviewer is free to
        > ask whatever he wants. The
        > only limitation is no question
        > can be phrased so that it can
        > be answered with a simple yes
        > or no. That doesn't open communication.
        >
        > ME: The "Interviewer?" "He?"
        > How about he and she?
        >
        > HK: The interviewer is not able
        > to defend himself against any
        > accusations but must sit there
        > and take it. Of course, the roles
        > change in twenty minutes. The
        > other spouse then becomes the
        > interviewer of hopes and dashed
        > dreams.
        >
        > ME: You must sit there and
        > take it? How about having a
        > rule of not saying something
        > you can't take back. And then
        > the roles are switched around
        > so that the other spouse can
        > talk about "hopes and dashed
        > dreams." That's ridiculous!
        >
        > HK: It is surprising what marriage
        > partners learn about their companions
        > that make them truly interesting
        > people with goals too.
        >
        > ME: One learns that via daily
        > sharing. Klemp is really comical.
        > If one read all of his writings
        > it would become apparent that
        > he is incapable of showing empathy.
        > He'll give Lip Service to the same
        > things that Christians do, but
        > he's too aloof because he actually
        > believes that he's God like. This
        > delusion has perpetuated his
        > arrested development and has
        > placed him more out of touch
        > with his H.I.s and chelas. This
        > is why he needs his RESAs and
        > those snail mail letters in order
        > to "know" what's happening.
        > There is no "Inner" communication!
        >
        > �From Spiritual Wisdom on Relationships, by Harold Klemp
        >
      • Russ Rodnick
        Everyone has struggled through communication problems. Klemp tried to simplify a very interesting problem, as usual oversimplification doesn t hit the mark. I
        Message 3 of 4 , Jul 1 8:04 AM
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          Everyone has struggled through communication problems. Klemp tried to simplify a very interesting problem, as usual oversimplification doesn't hit the mark. I don't blame him for trying. Who knows, some people maybe got some good out of his advice. He tries to be all knowing but clearly he isn't and he shouldn't act like he's got the answers. If he had said simply, here is what worked for me but he reads all kinds of self help books, just like most of us and regurgitates what he has read with an eck spin. Not very inspired. Non Oracle of Eck. haha. Prophets are supposed to utter "inspired speech".
           
          Boring dude.

          russ

          From: Non <eckchains@...>
          To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:31 PM
          Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Marriage Advice from A Master Recluse

           
          Klemp should be called THE LIVING LAME MASTER. His advise for communication in marriage would just cause more frustration and problems. In fact, the main problem may be that eckists don't really practice good communication skills anyway. They are taught to follow advise through authoritarian hierarchical channels. Also, they don't have that much experience with the experience of what it means to be genuine and to accept that a certain amount of conflict is normal in even the most loving of relationships. Their idea of love is more of a concept anyway.
          The only good thing about this stupid advise, is that a few eckists may wake up and begin a life that is more genuine and free from clut like dictums and dogma.

          noneckster ; )

          --- In mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
          >
          > It seems Klemp can't help
          > but show his inadequacies
          > as a pseudo-expert of both
          > "spiritual" and marriage
          > counseling techniques.
          >
          > Q: Can you help me with any
          > advice on how to keep the love
          > flowing in my marriage? It's
          > been strained lately.
          >
          > A: (HK) Communication is
          > a difficult thing to keep open
          > in any marriage.
          >
          > ME: Not true! I don't have that
          > problem. If you're married to the
          > right person, your Soulmate or
          > Twin Soul, there's no work or
          > maintenance involved. It's natural
          > and effortless because both are
          > like minded. Apparently Klemp
          > has never had the Soulmate/
          > Twin Soul experience and, thus,
          > has no clue as to what he's talking
          > about.
          >
          > HK: One useful technique when
          > things get strained is for one
          > person to interview the other
          > for twenty minutes, with notes.
          >
          > ME: Is this what Harry and Joan
          > do? That's both funny and sad!
          > What's sadder is that EKists will
          > emulate him and follow this really
          > stupid advice.
          >
          > HK: The interviewer is free to
          > ask whatever he wants. The
          > only limitation is no question
          > can be phrased so that it can
          > be answered with a simple yes
          > or no. That doesn't open communication.
          >
          > ME: The "Interviewer?" "He?"
          > How about he and she?
          >
          > HK: The interviewer is not able
          > to defend himself against any
          > accusations but must sit there
          > and take it. Of course, the roles
          > change in twenty minutes. The
          > other spouse then becomes the
          > interviewer of hopes and dashed
          > dreams.
          >
          > ME: You must sit there and
          > take it? How about having a
          > rule of not saying something
          > you can't take back. And then
          > the roles are switched around
          > so that the other spouse can
          > talk about "hopes and dashed
          > dreams." That's ridiculous!
          >
          > HK: It is surprising what marriage
          > partners learn about their companions
          > that make them truly interesting
          > people with goals too.
          >
          > ME: One learns that via daily
          > sharing. Klemp is really comical.
          > If one read all of his writings
          > it would become apparent that
          > he is incapable of showing empathy.
          > He'll give Lip Service to the same
          > things that Christians do, but
          > he's too aloof because he actually
          > believes that he's God like. This
          > delusion has perpetuated his
          > arrested development and has
          > placed him more out of touch
          > with his H.I.s and chelas. This
          > is why he needs his RESAs and
          > those snail mail letters in order
          > to "know" what's happening.
          > There is no "Inner" communication!
          >
          > �From Spiritual Wisdom on Relationships, by Harold Klemp
          >



        • prometheus_973
          Hello Non eckster and All, There re several things that cause relationship problems for EKists... one is the karma belief. Thus, there s always that escape
          Message 4 of 4 , Jul 1 8:15 PM
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            Hello Non eckster and All,
            There're several things
            that cause relationship
            problems for EKists... one
            is the karma belief. Thus,
            there's always that escape
            clause... that past life karma
            has been resolved and, now,
            it's time to move on and
            resolve, more, remaining
            karma with the next person.

            However, since ECKists
            practice detachment why
            should they be getting upset
            and require a relationship
            technique to resolve problems?

            And, don't they have the
            "Inner Guidance" of the
            Mahanta? Why, then, do
            they need the LEM's Outer
            advice? If one believed the
            PR H.I.s should be more
            advanced than their outer
            behavior which should be
            balanced with that of Soul.
            This is why they're so confused.
            Klemp keeps them off balance
            in order to control them!

            On one hand EKists are told
            they're advanced spiritual
            beings who are capable of
            inner communication with
            "masters" and travel to other
            planes with their Mahanta.
            And, on the other hand,
            their fake Mahanta needs
            to communicate with then
            via seminar talks and publications.
            If HK was a true Master he
            could communicate with
            any and all of his H.I.s
            simultaneously!

            ECKists must believe in the
            lie and deny the truth. That's
            the problem and it keeps them
            from growing, being free, and
            becoming responsible for their
            actions.

            Prometheus

            "Non" eckster wrote:
            Klemp should be called THE LIVING LAME MASTER. His advise for communication in
            marriage would just cause more frustration and problems. In fact, the main
            problem may be that eckists don't really practice good communication skills
            anyway. They are taught to follow advise through authoritarian hierarchical
            channels. Also, they don't have that much experience with the experience of what
            it means to be genuine and to accept that a certain amount of conflict is normal
            in even the most loving of relationships. Their idea of love is more of a
            concept anyway.

            The only good thing about this stupid advise, is that a few eckists may wake up
            and begin a life that is more genuine and free from clut like dictums and dogma.

            noneckster ; )

            prometheus wrote:
            >
            > It seems Klemp can't help
            > but show his inadequacies
            > as a pseudo-expert of both
            > "spiritual" and marriage
            > counseling techniques.
            >
            > Q: Can you help me with any
            > advice on how to keep the love
            > flowing in my marriage? It's
            > been strained lately.
            >
            > A: (HK) Communication is
            > a difficult thing to keep open
            > in any marriage.
            >
            > ME: Not true! I don't have that
            > problem. If you're married to the
            > right person, your Soulmate or
            > Twin Soul, there's no work or
            > maintenance involved. It's natural
            > and effortless because both are
            > like minded. Apparently Klemp
            > has never had the Soulmate/
            > Twin Soul experience and, thus,
            > has no clue as to what he's talking
            > about.
            >
            > HK: One useful technique when
            > things get strained is for one
            > person to interview the other
            > for twenty minutes, with notes.
            >
            > ME: Is this what Harry and Joan
            > do? That's both funny and sad!
            > What's sadder is that EKists will
            > emulate him and follow this really
            > stupid advice.
            >
            > HK: The interviewer is free to
            > ask whatever he wants. The
            > only limitation is no question
            > can be phrased so that it can
            > be answered with a simple yes
            > or no. That doesn't open communication.
            >
            > ME: The "Interviewer?" "He?"
            > How about he and she?
            >
            > HK: The interviewer is not able
            > to defend himself against any
            > accusations but must sit there
            > and take it. Of course, the roles
            > change in twenty minutes. The
            > other spouse then becomes the
            > interviewer of hopes and dashed
            > dreams.
            >
            > ME: You must sit there and
            > take it? How about having a
            > rule of not saying something
            > you can't take back. And then
            > the roles are switched around
            > so that the other spouse can
            > talk about "hopes and dashed
            > dreams." That's ridiculous!
            >
            > HK: It is surprising what marriage
            > partners learn about their companions
            > that make them truly interesting
            > people with goals too.
            >
            > ME: One learns that via daily
            > sharing. Klemp is really comical.
            > If one read all of his writings
            > it would become apparent that
            > he is incapable of showing empathy.
            > He'll give Lip Service to the same
            > things that Christians do, but
            > he's too aloof because he actually
            > believes that he's God like. This
            > delusion has perpetuated his
            > arrested development and has
            > placed him more out of touch
            > with his H.I.s and chelas. This
            > is why he needs his RESAs and
            > those snail mail letters in order
            > to "know" what's happening.
            > There is no "Inner" communication!
            >
            From Spiritual Wisdom on Relationships, by Harold Klemp
            >
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