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  • robokidnx
    About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
    Message 1 of 9 , May 28, 2012
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      About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.

      This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this squalid little cult.

      Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color brochures of eckankar's public face.

      I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.

      ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's the waking dream here?

      ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about: Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability even in the most inflated of them.

      ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned. (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control, bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling, spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing, psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines, fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.

      ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the source of it all. He owns that shit.

      ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still, there's no there there.

      ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.

      True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.

      ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized actions against former members.

      But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
    • prometheus_973
      Hello Robokidnx and All, True, Smith is a piece of crap and Klemp turns a blind-eye to his on-line RESA approved thugs and to the brainless EK fanatics. I ll
      Message 2 of 9 , May 30, 2012
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        Hello Robokidnx and All,
        True, Smith is a piece of
        crap and Klemp turns a
        blind-eye to his on-line
        RESA approved thugs and
        to the brainless EK fanatics.

        I'll make some comments,
        below, to what you've shared.

        "robokidnx" wrote:

        About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
        defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
        with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
        over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.

        ME: H.I.s feel that they need
        to "protect" the Mahanta which
        is delusional since HK's supposed
        to be all powerful and all knowing.

        Then again, at major seminars
        H.I.s would sit in the front row
        in order to "protect" the LEM/
        pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
        the "negative vibrations" of the
        EK audience behind them. It was
        like putting a protective curtain
        up. At one time this was done
        because it was said that the Klemp
        was tired from traveling and
        his batteries were down. Now,
        however, he doesn't travel to
        seminars so what's the substituted
        excuse... HK's "the holding tank
        for karma."

        WE EKists had traveled long
        distance, were tired and experienced
        negativity how this could be
        caught or picked up by the
        Mahanta and harm him was
        puzzling. It did make me wonder
        why the All Powerful and
        All Knowing 14th Initiate and
        Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
        (leader and highest of all EK
        Masters), could be subject to
        the minimally invasive, random,
        negative vibrations undirected
        towards him. How about us? Who's
        protecting us, in our weakened
        state, after a long day of travel?


        This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
        mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
        harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
        public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
        us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
        difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
        directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
        squalid little cult.


        ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
        Marman knew full what was taking place
        as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
        ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
        and Eckankar Membership Services and
        Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
        a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
        for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
        on the "INNER" all that is taking place
        with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
        then, why are these people a member
        of this religion called ECKankar? However,
        since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
        everything this means that he's complaisant
        in what Rich has done.



        Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
        writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
        inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
        from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
        prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
        brochures of eckankar's public face.


        I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
        as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
        They thought they were above the RESAs
        and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
        was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
        name at seminars and in his Members
        Only pubs and in his books. I know for
        a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
        But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
        became the foundation of EKankar, it's
        no wonder some EKies thought that taking
        "artistic license" was the norm.


        I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
        to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
        a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
        posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
        coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
        Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.

        ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
        own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
        larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
        the waking dream here?


        ME: Klemp has organized and structured
        the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
        police. However, there's still a lot of
        personality and initiation worship taking
        place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
        popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
        titles as well as 8ths and the President,
        Peter and those former RESAs who are on
        the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
        7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
        they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
        EK leadership seems fractured, and there
        are some passive/aggressive tendencies
        when it comes to following the ESC's
        Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
        on how they do things. Some RESAs are
        more hands on and others designate a
        lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
        of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
        (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.



        ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
        Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
        ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
        powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
        got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
        higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
        word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
        even in the most inflated of them.


        ME: I haven't heard that one before
        (at least with EKists) but I can see
        why some would believe it. Maybe
        Twit once found and used that DNA
        "spiritual master" activation thing
        somewhere and repeated it as his
        own mantra? I can see how and why
        some would/could buy into that,
        except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
        But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
        are, it's no wonder some could think
        they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
        the psychic was always seen as an
        Astral ability and this is seen as
        offensive and of a low KAL level.

        Then, again, there are those misguided
        ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
        their own Souls to, supposedly,
        "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
        one RESA police who would try to
        read minds and project thoughts
        to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
        but this person didn't care. Anything
        done in the name of the Mahanta
        was okay because if it wasn't he
        (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!





        ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
        a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
        universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
        embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
        (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
        puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
        is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
        borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
        particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
        reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
        bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
        denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
        spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
        psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
        fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
        the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.


        ME: I never saw it this way.
        As Soul we are all, supposedly,
        eternal and ancient and have
        probably lived in alien bodies
        on distant worlds. However,
        this isn't discussed much if
        at all. It mostly goes back to
        Venus. I will agree that there
        are some nuttier EKists, especially
        Canadians, that do go for the
        more phenomenal such as
        Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
        Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
        whatever, etc. But wormholes,
        I'm thinking, are scientifically
        real... at least in theory.

        Yes, it's very easy to bruise
        the EK ego. They are very
        defensive. What's funny is
        that they don't like the GOP's
        Presidential candidate, Romney,
        and neither do I. However,
        at least I can criticize his
        Mormon religion. ECKists
        can't! How can one cultist
        complain about another
        cultist. It's a lose/lose for
        ECKists.... too funny! LOL!



        ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
        websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
        all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
        higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
        that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
        source of it all. He owns that shit.


        ME: True. New Agers are targeted
        by Klemp and company. But, I like
        Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
        it can be fun and creative. Actually,
        most H.I.s don't use their computers
        and the Internet all that much. Steve
        R. and Rich and some of those guys
        sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
        and attribute their weakened health
        to the electro magnetic frequencies
        transmitted by electrical wiring and
        devices.


        ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
        necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
        Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
        neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
        Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
        of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
        there's no there there.


        ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
        Politicians use it all the time.


        ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
        pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
        much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
        universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
        contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
        eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
        notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
        and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.


        ME: I think we have to look
        at religion as a whole. ECKankar
        dogma came from, mostly,
        Sant Mat which was flawed
        as well. Besides, most EKists
        don't really read that much
        material outside of authorized
        ECKankar books.

        True, EKists have become very
        codependent upon their fake
        Mahanta. HK's has even taken
        the place of the "Parking Space
        Angel." All responsibility is
        deferred to "the Mahanta" which
        was created by PT in 1969.
        EKists, also, look for "signs"
        via signs coming from their
        imaginary friend and Klemp's
        alter ego... the Mahanta.
        It's such nonsense that people
        who see themselves as "spiritually
        advanced" Souls have to become
        codependent upon a charlatan.



        True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
        smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
        experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
        self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no
        matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
        oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.


        ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
        development is seen as a
        quirkiness due to his detached
        spiritual advancement. H.I.s
        blind themselves to the truth
        because to realize the Truth
        would be devastating... what
        would they do with their shattered
        lives? Plus, what would happen
        with their EK friends and family?
        And, all of that time and money
        and effort would be wasted if
        they just walked away from those
        precious initiations.


        ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
        harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
        carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
        psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
        actions against former members.


        ME: True! It's obvious that these
        people are no more spiritually
        advanced than those who water
        board their suspected enemies.
        However, this simply proves that
        the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
        Smith are false and that Klemp is
        a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
        was who he claims to be and with
        the abilities to see into the lives
        of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
        did he allow this to happen? See!
        This proves that Klemp and the
        ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!


        But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
        discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
        and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
        a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.


        ME: Thanks for sharing this.
        They've helped to make the
        case against themselves!

        Prometheus
      • postekcon
        Ekult has similar mindset to spanish inquisition , nazi germany etc. A group of self-righteous people who see themselves superior to others. In the case
        Message 3 of 9 , May 30, 2012
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          Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.

          A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake. The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin the process now for sadistic satisfaction!

          Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward this 'karma'.
          -Postekcon


          --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hello Robokidnx and All,
          > True, Smith is a piece of
          > crap and Klemp turns a
          > blind-eye to his on-line
          > RESA approved thugs and
          > to the brainless EK fanatics.
          >
          > I'll make some comments,
          > below, to what you've shared.
          >
          > "robokidnx" wrote:
          >
          > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
          > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
          > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
          > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
          >
          > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
          > to "protect" the Mahanta which
          > is delusional since HK's supposed
          > to be all powerful and all knowing.
          >
          > Then again, at major seminars
          > H.I.s would sit in the front row
          > in order to "protect" the LEM/
          > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
          > the "negative vibrations" of the
          > EK audience behind them. It was
          > like putting a protective curtain
          > up. At one time this was done
          > because it was said that the Klemp
          > was tired from traveling and
          > his batteries were down. Now,
          > however, he doesn't travel to
          > seminars so what's the substituted
          > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
          > for karma."
          >
          > WE EKists had traveled long
          > distance, were tired and experienced
          > negativity how this could be
          > caught or picked up by the
          > Mahanta and harm him was
          > puzzling. It did make me wonder
          > why the All Powerful and
          > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
          > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
          > (leader and highest of all EK
          > Masters), could be subject to
          > the minimally invasive, random,
          > negative vibrations undirected
          > towards him. How about us? Who's
          > protecting us, in our weakened
          > state, after a long day of travel?
          >
          >
          > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
          > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
          > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
          > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
          > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
          > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
          > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
          > squalid little cult.
          >
          >
          > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
          > Marman knew full what was taking place
          > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
          > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
          > and Eckankar Membership Services and
          > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
          > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
          > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
          > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
          > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
          > then, why are these people a member
          > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
          > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
          > everything this means that he's complaisant
          > in what Rich has done.
          >
          >
          >
          > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
          > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
          > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
          > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
          > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
          > brochures of eckankar's public face.
          >
          >
          > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
          > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
          > They thought they were above the RESAs
          > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
          > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
          > name at seminars and in his Members
          > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
          > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
          > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
          > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
          > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
          > "artistic license" was the norm.
          >
          >
          > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
          > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
          > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
          > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
          > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
          > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
          >
          > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
          > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
          > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
          > the waking dream here?
          >
          >
          > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
          > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
          > police. However, there's still a lot of
          > personality and initiation worship taking
          > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
          > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
          > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
          > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
          > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
          > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
          > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
          > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
          > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
          > when it comes to following the ESC's
          > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
          > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
          > more hands on and others designate a
          > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
          > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
          > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
          >
          >
          >
          > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
          > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
          > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
          > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
          > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
          > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
          > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
          > even in the most inflated of them.
          >
          >
          > ME: I haven't heard that one before
          > (at least with EKists) but I can see
          > why some would believe it. Maybe
          > Twit once found and used that DNA
          > "spiritual master" activation thing
          > somewhere and repeated it as his
          > own mantra? I can see how and why
          > some would/could buy into that,
          > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
          > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
          > are, it's no wonder some could think
          > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
          > the psychic was always seen as an
          > Astral ability and this is seen as
          > offensive and of a low KAL level.
          >
          > Then, again, there are those misguided
          > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
          > their own Souls to, supposedly,
          > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
          > one RESA police who would try to
          > read minds and project thoughts
          > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
          > but this person didn't care. Anything
          > done in the name of the Mahanta
          > was okay because if it wasn't he
          > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
          > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
          > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
          > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
          > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
          > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
          > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
          > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
          > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
          > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
          > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
          > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
          > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
          > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
          > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
          > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
          >
          >
          > ME: I never saw it this way.
          > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
          > eternal and ancient and have
          > probably lived in alien bodies
          > on distant worlds. However,
          > this isn't discussed much if
          > at all. It mostly goes back to
          > Venus. I will agree that there
          > are some nuttier EKists, especially
          > Canadians, that do go for the
          > more phenomenal such as
          > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
          > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
          > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
          > I'm thinking, are scientifically
          > real... at least in theory.
          >
          > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
          > the EK ego. They are very
          > defensive. What's funny is
          > that they don't like the GOP's
          > Presidential candidate, Romney,
          > and neither do I. However,
          > at least I can criticize his
          > Mormon religion. ECKists
          > can't! How can one cultist
          > complain about another
          > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
          > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
          >
          >
          >
          > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
          > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
          > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
          > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
          > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
          > source of it all. He owns that shit.
          >
          >
          > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
          > by Klemp and company. But, I like
          > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
          > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
          > most H.I.s don't use their computers
          > and the Internet all that much. Steve
          > R. and Rich and some of those guys
          > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
          > and attribute their weakened health
          > to the electro magnetic frequencies
          > transmitted by electrical wiring and
          > devices.
          >
          >
          > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
          > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
          > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
          > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
          > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
          > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
          > there's no there there.
          >
          >
          > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
          > Politicians use it all the time.
          >
          >
          > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
          > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
          > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
          > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
          > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
          > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
          > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
          > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.
          >
          >
          > ME: I think we have to look
          > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
          > dogma came from, mostly,
          > Sant Mat which was flawed
          > as well. Besides, most EKists
          > don't really read that much
          > material outside of authorized
          > ECKankar books.
          >
          > True, EKists have become very
          > codependent upon their fake
          > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
          > the place of the "Parking Space
          > Angel." All responsibility is
          > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
          > was created by PT in 1969.
          > EKists, also, look for "signs"
          > via signs coming from their
          > imaginary friend and Klemp's
          > alter ego... the Mahanta.
          > It's such nonsense that people
          > who see themselves as "spiritually
          > advanced" Souls have to become
          > codependent upon a charlatan.
          >
          >
          >
          > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
          > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
          > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
          > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no
          > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
          > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
          >
          >
          > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
          > development is seen as a
          > quirkiness due to his detached
          > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
          > blind themselves to the truth
          > because to realize the Truth
          > would be devastating... what
          > would they do with their shattered
          > lives? Plus, what would happen
          > with their EK friends and family?
          > And, all of that time and money
          > and effort would be wasted if
          > they just walked away from those
          > precious initiations.
          >
          >
          > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
          > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
          > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
          > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
          > actions against former members.
          >
          >
          > ME: True! It's obvious that these
          > people are no more spiritually
          > advanced than those who water
          > board their suspected enemies.
          > However, this simply proves that
          > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
          > Smith are false and that Klemp is
          > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
          > was who he claims to be and with
          > the abilities to see into the lives
          > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
          > did he allow this to happen? See!
          > This proves that Klemp and the
          > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
          >
          >
          > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
          > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
          > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
          > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
          >
          >
          > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
          > They've helped to make the
          > case against themselves!
          >
          > Prometheus
          >
        • Non
          Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non
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            Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this mindset.

            noneckster ; )

            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "postekcon" <postekcon@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
            >
            > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake. The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
            >
            > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward this 'karma'.
            > -Postekcon
            >
            >
            > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
            > > True, Smith is a piece of
            > > crap and Klemp turns a
            > > blind-eye to his on-line
            > > RESA approved thugs and
            > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
            > >
            > > I'll make some comments,
            > > below, to what you've shared.
            > >
            > > "robokidnx" wrote:
            > >
            > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
            > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
            > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
            > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
            > >
            > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
            > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
            > > is delusional since HK's supposed
            > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
            > >
            > > Then again, at major seminars
            > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
            > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
            > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
            > > the "negative vibrations" of the
            > > EK audience behind them. It was
            > > like putting a protective curtain
            > > up. At one time this was done
            > > because it was said that the Klemp
            > > was tired from traveling and
            > > his batteries were down. Now,
            > > however, he doesn't travel to
            > > seminars so what's the substituted
            > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
            > > for karma."
            > >
            > > WE EKists had traveled long
            > > distance, were tired and experienced
            > > negativity how this could be
            > > caught or picked up by the
            > > Mahanta and harm him was
            > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
            > > why the All Powerful and
            > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
            > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
            > > (leader and highest of all EK
            > > Masters), could be subject to
            > > the minimally invasive, random,
            > > negative vibrations undirected
            > > towards him. How about us? Who's
            > > protecting us, in our weakened
            > > state, after a long day of travel?
            > >
            > >
            > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
            > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
            > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
            > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
            > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
            > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
            > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
            > > squalid little cult.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
            > > Marman knew full what was taking place
            > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
            > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
            > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
            > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
            > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
            > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
            > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
            > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
            > > then, why are these people a member
            > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
            > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
            > > everything this means that he's complaisant
            > > in what Rich has done.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
            > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
            > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
            > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
            > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
            > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
            > >
            > >
            > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
            > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
            > > They thought they were above the RESAs
            > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
            > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
            > > name at seminars and in his Members
            > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
            > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
            > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
            > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
            > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
            > > "artistic license" was the norm.
            > >
            > >
            > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
            > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
            > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
            > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
            > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
            > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
            > >
            > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
            > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
            > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
            > > the waking dream here?
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
            > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
            > > police. However, there's still a lot of
            > > personality and initiation worship taking
            > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
            > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
            > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
            > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
            > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
            > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
            > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
            > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
            > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
            > > when it comes to following the ESC's
            > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
            > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
            > > more hands on and others designate a
            > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
            > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
            > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
            > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
            > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
            > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
            > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
            > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
            > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
            > > even in the most inflated of them.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
            > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
            > > why some would believe it. Maybe
            > > Twit once found and used that DNA
            > > "spiritual master" activation thing
            > > somewhere and repeated it as his
            > > own mantra? I can see how and why
            > > some would/could buy into that,
            > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
            > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
            > > are, it's no wonder some could think
            > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
            > > the psychic was always seen as an
            > > Astral ability and this is seen as
            > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
            > >
            > > Then, again, there are those misguided
            > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
            > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
            > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
            > > one RESA police who would try to
            > > read minds and project thoughts
            > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
            > > but this person didn't care. Anything
            > > done in the name of the Mahanta
            > > was okay because if it wasn't he
            > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
            > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
            > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
            > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
            > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
            > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
            > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
            > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
            > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
            > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
            > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
            > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
            > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
            > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
            > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
            > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: I never saw it this way.
            > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
            > > eternal and ancient and have
            > > probably lived in alien bodies
            > > on distant worlds. However,
            > > this isn't discussed much if
            > > at all. It mostly goes back to
            > > Venus. I will agree that there
            > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
            > > Canadians, that do go for the
            > > more phenomenal such as
            > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
            > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
            > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
            > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
            > > real... at least in theory.
            > >
            > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
            > > the EK ego. They are very
            > > defensive. What's funny is
            > > that they don't like the GOP's
            > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
            > > and neither do I. However,
            > > at least I can criticize his
            > > Mormon religion. ECKists
            > > can't! How can one cultist
            > > complain about another
            > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
            > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
            > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
            > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
            > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
            > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
            > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
            > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
            > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
            > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
            > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
            > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
            > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
            > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
            > > and attribute their weakened health
            > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
            > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
            > > devices.
            > >
            > >
            > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
            > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
            > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
            > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
            > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
            > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
            > > there's no there there.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
            > > Politicians use it all the time.
            > >
            > >
            > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
            > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
            > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
            > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
            > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
            > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
            > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
            > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: I think we have to look
            > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
            > > dogma came from, mostly,
            > > Sant Mat which was flawed
            > > as well. Besides, most EKists
            > > don't really read that much
            > > material outside of authorized
            > > ECKankar books.
            > >
            > > True, EKists have become very
            > > codependent upon their fake
            > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
            > > the place of the "Parking Space
            > > Angel." All responsibility is
            > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
            > > was created by PT in 1969.
            > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
            > > via signs coming from their
            > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
            > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
            > > It's such nonsense that people
            > > who see themselves as "spiritually
            > > advanced" Souls have to become
            > > codependent upon a charlatan.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
            > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
            > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
            > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no
            > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
            > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
            > > development is seen as a
            > > quirkiness due to his detached
            > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
            > > blind themselves to the truth
            > > because to realize the Truth
            > > would be devastating... what
            > > would they do with their shattered
            > > lives? Plus, what would happen
            > > with their EK friends and family?
            > > And, all of that time and money
            > > and effort would be wasted if
            > > they just walked away from those
            > > precious initiations.
            > >
            > >
            > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
            > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
            > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
            > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
            > > actions against former members.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
            > > people are no more spiritually
            > > advanced than those who water
            > > board their suspected enemies.
            > > However, this simply proves that
            > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
            > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
            > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
            > > was who he claims to be and with
            > > the abilities to see into the lives
            > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
            > > did he allow this to happen? See!
            > > This proves that Klemp and the
            > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
            > >
            > >
            > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
            > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
            > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
            > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
            > >
            > >
            > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
            > > They've helped to make the
            > > case against themselves!
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            > >
            >
          • Janice Pfeiffer
            Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments.  Just as scientology has started making the news for it s harassment and bullying of ex scientologist,
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              Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments.  Just as scientology has started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist, hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same.  I hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or corporate level.  From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative publicity.  So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of integrity.  Documented proof is easier today than in times past.  Technology today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices that weren't possible a few years before.  I hope any person experiencing harassment would document and save.  These people seem to lose their heads easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the goods on them.  If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your kool.  Let them rant and rave.  When you got enough against them, sock it to them in court.  Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end up defending themselves on their own.  It might go a long way in showing those still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well wishes to one and all. 

              --- On Sun, 6/3/12, Non <eckchains@...> wrote:

              From: Non <eckchains@...>
              Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Some surpising things I learned about eckankar from 6 years of cult harassment
              To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Sunday, June 3, 2012, 7:35 AM

               
              Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this mindset.

              noneckster ; )

              --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "postekcon" <postekcon@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
              >
              > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake. The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
              >
              > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward this 'karma'.
              > -Postekcon
              >
              >
              > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
              > > True, Smith is a piece of
              > > crap and Klemp turns a
              > > blind-eye to his on-line
              > > RESA approved thugs and
              > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
              > >
              > > I'll make some comments,
              > > below, to what you've shared.
              > >
              > > "robokidnx" wrote:
              > >
              > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
              > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
              > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
              > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
              > >
              > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
              > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
              > > is delusional since HK's supposed
              > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
              > >
              > > Then again, at major seminars
              > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
              > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
              > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
              > > the "negative vibrations" of the
              > > EK audience behind them. It was
              > > like putting a protective curtain
              > > up. At one time this was done
              > > because it was said that the Klemp
              > > was tired from traveling and
              > > his batteries were down. Now,
              > > however, he doesn't travel to
              > > seminars so what's the substituted
              > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
              > > for karma."
              > >
              > > WE EKists had traveled long
              > > distance, were tired and experienced
              > > negativity how this could be
              > > caught or picked up by the
              > > Mahanta and harm him was
              > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
              > > why the All Powerful and
              > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
              > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
              > > (leader and highest of all EK
              > > Masters), could be subject to
              > > the minimally invasive, random,
              > > negative vibrations undirected
              > > towards him. How about us? Who's
              > > protecting us, in our weakened
              > > state, after a long day of travel?
              > >
              > >
              > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
              > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
              > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
              > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
              > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
              > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
              > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
              > > squalid little cult.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
              > > Marman knew full what was taking place
              > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
              > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
              > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
              > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
              > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
              > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
              > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
              > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
              > > then, why are these people a member
              > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
              > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
              > > everything this means that he's complaisant
              > > in what Rich has done.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
              > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
              > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
              > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
              > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
              > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
              > >
              > >
              > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
              > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
              > > They thought they were above the RESAs
              > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
              > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
              > > name at seminars and in his Members
              > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
              > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
              > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
              > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
              > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
              > > "artistic license" was the norm.
              > >
              > >
              > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
              > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
              > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
              > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
              > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
              > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
              > >
              > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
              > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
              > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
              > > the waking dream here?
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
              > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
              > > police. However, there's still a lot of
              > > personality and initiation worship taking
              > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
              > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
              > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
              > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
              > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
              > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
              > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
              > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
              > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
              > > when it comes to following the ESC's
              > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
              > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
              > > more hands on and others designate a
              > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
              > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
              > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
              > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
              > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
              > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
              > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
              > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
              > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
              > > even in the most inflated of them.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
              > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
              > > why some would believe it. Maybe
              > > Twit once found and used that DNA
              > > "spiritual master" activation thing
              > > somewhere and repeated it as his
              > > own mantra? I can see how and why
              > > some would/could buy into that,
              > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
              > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
              > > are, it's no wonder some could think
              > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
              > > the psychic was always seen as an
              > > Astral ability and this is seen as
              > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
              > >
              > > Then, again, there are those misguided
              > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
              > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
              > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
              > > one RESA police who would try to
              > > read minds and project thoughts
              > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
              > > but this person didn't care. Anything
              > > done in the name of the Mahanta
              > > was okay because if it wasn't he
              > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
              > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
              > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
              > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
              > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
              > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
              > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
              > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
              > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
              > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
              > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
              > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
              > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
              > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
              > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
              > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: I never saw it this way.
              > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
              > > eternal and ancient and have
              > > probably lived in alien bodies
              > > on distant worlds. However,
              > > this isn't discussed much if
              > > at all. It mostly goes back to
              > > Venus. I will agree that there
              > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
              > > Canadians, that do go for the
              > > more phenomenal such as
              > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
              > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
              > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
              > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
              > > real... at least in theory.
              > >
              > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
              > > the EK ego. They are very
              > > defensive. What's funny is
              > > that they don't like the GOP's
              > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
              > > and neither do I. However,
              > > at least I can criticize his
              > > Mormon religion. ECKists
              > > can't! How can one cultist
              > > complain about another
              > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
              > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
              > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
              > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
              > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
              > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
              > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
              > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
              > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
              > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
              > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
              > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
              > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
              > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
              > > and attribute their weakened health
              > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
              > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
              > > devices.
              > >
              > >
              > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
              > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
              > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
              > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
              > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
              > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
              > > there's no there there.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
              > > Politicians use it all the time.
              > >
              > >
              > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
              > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
              > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
              > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
              > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
              > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
              > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
              > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: I think we have to look
              > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
              > > dogma came from, mostly,
              > > Sant Mat which was flawed
              > > as well. Besides, most EKists
              > > don't really read that much
              > > material outside of authorized
              > > ECKankar books.
              > >
              > > True, EKists have become very
              > > codependent upon their fake
              > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
              > > the place of the "Parking Space
              > > Angel." All responsibility is
              > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
              > > was created by PT in 1969.
              > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
              > > via signs coming from their
              > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
              > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
              > > It's such nonsense that people
              > > who see themselves as "spiritually
              > > advanced" Souls have to become
              > > codependent upon a charlatan.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
              > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
              > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
              > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions – no
              > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
              > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
              > > development is seen as a
              > > quirkiness due to his detached
              > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
              > > blind themselves to the truth
              > > because to realize the Truth
              > > would be devastating... what
              > > would they do with their shattered
              > > lives? Plus, what would happen
              > > with their EK friends and family?
              > > And, all of that time and money
              > > and effort would be wasted if
              > > they just walked away from those
              > > precious initiations.
              > >
              > >
              > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
              > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
              > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
              > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
              > > actions against former members.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
              > > people are no more spiritually
              > > advanced than those who water
              > > board their suspected enemies.
              > > However, this simply proves that
              > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
              > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
              > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
              > > was who he claims to be and with
              > > the abilities to see into the lives
              > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
              > > did he allow this to happen? See!
              > > This proves that Klemp and the
              > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
              > >
              > >
              > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
              > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
              > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
              > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
              > >
              > >
              > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
              > > They've helped to make the
              > > case against themselves!
              > >
              > > Prometheus
              > >
              >

            • prometheus_973
              Hello Janice, Non, and All, Since EK Dogma states that Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM) is aware of everything his H.I.s do, then, HK must be aware of what Rich
              Message 6 of 9 , Jun 3 9:03 PM
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                Hello Janice, Non, and All,
                Since EK Dogma states that
                Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
                is aware of everything his
                H.I.s do, then, HK must be
                aware of what Rich Smith
                and his other H.I.s are doing.

                And, since Rich and other
                H.I.s are acting like KAL
                agents by being Negative,
                unfriendly, unkind, unloving
                and mean spirited, then,
                we have to logically assume
                that they are doing this
                with the full knowledge
                and approval of the full
                Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
                HK hasn't taken any action
                to demote or to denounce
                them it is because Klemp
                has approved their actions.
                Is trickery and negativity
                what a Black Magician
                would approve or the
                Mahanta?

                What's this really mean?
                It's obvious! It proves that
                Klemp is a fraud. If he's
                not a Black Magician then
                he's a conman!

                If Klemp had honesty and
                integrity he would have
                taken action against Smith
                and others. Really, if Klemp
                truly "knew" via Inner
                communication with his
                H.I.s he would have known
                what Smith and the others
                are/were doing and stopped
                it.

                So, HK either didn't know
                or he approved it.

                Also, if Klemp was really
                what he claimed, Rich Smith's
                consciousness would have
                been raised higher so that
                he would know right from
                wrong. But, come on! Non-
                EKists know right from wrong
                so why doesn't an EK Higher
                Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
                there be a Higher standard
                for people that are supposed
                to be more "spiritually advanced?"

                After all, Klemp preaches
                that nothing in the world
                of Maya matters. Politics
                don't matter and what people
                (non-EKists) say and do
                shouldn't matter... but
                Klemp is a hypocrite, a
                narcissist and a fraud.

                H.I.s act like they do because
                they are no more advanced
                in consciousness than when
                they first joined. They're just
                more knowledgable of dogma
                and of holding meetings. They
                failed the test and don't see
                that Eckankar was Twitchell's
                trap and his joke. It's simply
                another illusional religion
                designed to distract and
                placate the trusting and the
                naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
                the needy and the lazy.

                Prometheus

                Janice wrote:
                Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments. Just as scientology has started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist, hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same. I hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or corporate level. From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative publicity. So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of integrity. Documented proof is easier today than in times past. Technology today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices that weren't possible a few years before. I hope any person experiencing harassment would document and save. These people seem to lose their heads easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the goods on them. If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your kool. Let them rant and rave. When you got enough against them, sock it to them in court. Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end up defending themselves on their own. It might go a long way in showing those still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well wishes to one and all.

                Non <eckchains wrote:

                Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this mindset.

                noneckster ; )

                "postekcon" wrote:
                >
                >
                > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
                >
                > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake. The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
                >
                > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward this 'karma'.
                > -Postekcon
                >
                >
                <prometheus_wrote:
                > >
                > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
                > > True, Smith is a piece of
                > > crap and Klemp turns a
                > > blind-eye to his on-line
                > > RESA approved thugs and
                > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
                > >
                > > I'll make some comments,
                > > below, to what you've shared.
                > >
                > > "robokidnx" wrote:
                > >
                > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
                > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
                > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
                > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
                > >
                > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
                > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
                > > is delusional since HK's supposed
                > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
                > >
                > > Then again, at major seminars
                > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
                > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
                > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
                > > the "negative vibrations" of the
                > > EK audience behind them. It was
                > > like putting a protective curtain
                > > up. At one time this was done
                > > because it was said that the Klemp
                > > was tired from traveling and
                > > his batteries were down. Now,
                > > however, he doesn't travel to
                > > seminars so what's the substituted
                > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
                > > for karma."
                > >
                > > WE EKists had traveled long
                > > distance, were tired and experienced
                > > negativity how this could be
                > > caught or picked up by the
                > > Mahanta and harm him was
                > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
                > > why the All Powerful and
                > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
                > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
                > > (leader and highest of all EK
                > > Masters), could be subject to
                > > the minimally invasive, random,
                > > negative vibrations undirected
                > > towards him. How about us? Who's
                > > protecting us, in our weakened
                > > state, after a long day of travel?
                > >
                > >
                > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
                > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
                > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
                > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
                > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
                > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
                > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
                > > squalid little cult.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
                > > Marman knew full what was taking place
                > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
                > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
                > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
                > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
                > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
                > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
                > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
                > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
                > > then, why are these people a member
                > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
                > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
                > > everything this means that he's complaisant
                > > in what Rich has done.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
                > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
                > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
                > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
                > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
                > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
                > >
                > >
                > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
                > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
                > > They thought they were above the RESAs
                > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
                > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
                > > name at seminars and in his Members
                > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
                > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
                > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
                > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
                > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
                > > "artistic license" was the norm.
                > >
                > >
                > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
                > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
                > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
                > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
                > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
                > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
                > >
                > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
                > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
                > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
                > > the waking dream here?
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
                > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
                > > police. However, there's still a lot of
                > > personality and initiation worship taking
                > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
                > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
                > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
                > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
                > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
                > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
                > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
                > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
                > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
                > > when it comes to following the ESC's
                > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
                > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
                > > more hands on and others designate a
                > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
                > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
                > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
                > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
                > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
                > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
                > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
                > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
                > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
                > > even in the most inflated of them.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
                > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
                > > why some would believe it. Maybe
                > > Twit once found and used that DNA
                > > "spiritual master" activation thing
                > > somewhere and repeated it as his
                > > own mantra? I can see how and why
                > > some would/could buy into that,
                > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
                > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
                > > are, it's no wonder some could think
                > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
                > > the psychic was always seen as an
                > > Astral ability and this is seen as
                > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
                > >
                > > Then, again, there are those misguided
                > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
                > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
                > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
                > > one RESA police who would try to
                > > read minds and project thoughts
                > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
                > > but this person didn't care. Anything
                > > done in the name of the Mahanta
                > > was okay because if it wasn't he
                > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
                > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
                > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
                > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
                > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
                > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
                > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
                > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
                > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
                > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
                > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
                > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
                > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
                > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
                > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
                > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: I never saw it this way.
                > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
                > > eternal and ancient and have
                > > probably lived in alien bodies
                > > on distant worlds. However,
                > > this isn't discussed much if
                > > at all. It mostly goes back to
                > > Venus. I will agree that there
                > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
                > > Canadians, that do go for the
                > > more phenomenal such as
                > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
                > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
                > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
                > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
                > > real... at least in theory.
                > >
                > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
                > > the EK ego. They are very
                > > defensive. What's funny is
                > > that they don't like the GOP's
                > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
                > > and neither do I. However,
                > > at least I can criticize his
                > > Mormon religion. ECKists
                > > can't! How can one cultist
                > > complain about another
                > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
                > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
                > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
                > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
                > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
                > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
                > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
                > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
                > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
                > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
                > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
                > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
                > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
                > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
                > > and attribute their weakened health
                > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
                > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
                > > devices.
                > >
                > >
                > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
                > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
                > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
                > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
                > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
                > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
                > > there's no there there.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
                > > Politicians use it all the time.
                > >
                > >
                > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
                > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
                > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
                > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
                > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
                > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
                > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
                > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: I think we have to look
                > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
                > > dogma came from, mostly,
                > > Sant Mat which was flawed
                > > as well. Besides, most EKists
                > > don't really read that much
                > > material outside of authorized
                > > ECKankar books.
                > >
                > > True, EKists have become very
                > > codependent upon their fake
                > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
                > > the place of the "Parking Space
                > > Angel." All responsibility is
                > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
                > > was created by PT in 1969.
                > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
                > > via signs coming from their
                > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
                > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
                > > It's such nonsense that people
                > > who see themselves as "spiritually
                > > advanced" Souls have to become
                > > codependent upon a charlatan.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
                > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
                > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
                > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions â€" no
                > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
                > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
                > > development is seen as a
                > > quirkiness due to his detached
                > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
                > > blind themselves to the truth
                > > because to realize the Truth
                > > would be devastating... what
                > > would they do with their shattered
                > > lives? Plus, what would happen
                > > with their EK friends and family?
                > > And, all of that time and money
                > > and effort would be wasted if
                > > they just walked away from those
                > > precious initiations.
                > >
                > >
                > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
                > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
                > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
                > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
                > > actions against former members.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
                > > people are no more spiritually
                > > advanced than those who water
                > > board their suspected enemies.
                > > However, this simply proves that
                > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
                > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
                > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
                > > was who he claims to be and with
                > > the abilities to see into the lives
                > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
                > > did he allow this to happen? See!
                > > This proves that Klemp and the
                > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
                > >
                > >
                > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
                > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
                > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
                > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
                > >
                > >
                > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
                > > They've helped to make the
                > > case against themselves!
                > >
                > > Prometheus
              • Janice Pfeiffer
                Thank you Prometheus.  You always say it so well. ... From: prometheus_973 Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Some surpising
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                  Thank you Prometheus.  You always say it so well.

                  --- On Mon, 6/4/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:

                  From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
                  Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Some surpising things I learned about eckankar from 6 years of cult harassment
                  To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 4:03 AM

                   
                  Hello Janice, Non, and All,
                  Since EK Dogma states that
                  Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
                  is aware of everything his
                  H.I.s do, then, HK must be
                  aware of what Rich Smith
                  and his other H.I.s are doing.

                  And, since Rich and other
                  H.I.s are acting like KAL
                  agents by being Negative,
                  unfriendly, unkind, unloving
                  and mean spirited, then,
                  we have to logically assume
                  that they are doing this
                  with the full knowledge
                  and approval of the full
                  Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
                  HK hasn't taken any action
                  to demote or to denounce
                  them it is because Klemp
                  has approved their actions.
                  Is trickery and negativity
                  what a Black Magician
                  would approve or the
                  Mahanta?

                  What's this really mean?
                  It's obvious! It proves that
                  Klemp is a fraud. If he's
                  not a Black Magician then
                  he's a conman!

                  If Klemp had honesty and
                  integrity he would have
                  taken action against Smith
                  and others. Really, if Klemp
                  truly "knew" via Inner
                  communication with his
                  H.I.s he would have known
                  what Smith and the others
                  are/were doing and stopped
                  it.

                  So, HK either didn't know
                  or he approved it.

                  Also, if Klemp was really
                  what he claimed, Rich Smith's
                  consciousness would have
                  been raised higher so that
                  he would know right from
                  wrong. But, come on! Non-
                  EKists know right from wrong
                  so why doesn't an EK Higher
                  Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
                  there be a Higher standard
                  for people that are supposed
                  to be more "spiritually advanced?"

                  After all, Klemp preaches
                  that nothing in the world
                  of Maya matters. Politics
                  don't matter and what people
                  (non-EKists) say and do
                  shouldn't matter... but
                  Klemp is a hypocrite, a
                  narcissist and a fraud.

                  H.I.s act like they do because
                  they are no more advanced
                  in consciousness than when
                  they first joined. They're just
                  more knowledgable of dogma
                  and of holding meetings. They
                  failed the test and don't see
                  that Eckankar was Twitchell's
                  trap and his joke. It's simply
                  another illusional religion
                  designed to distract and
                  placate the trusting and the
                  naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
                  the needy and the lazy.

                  Prometheus

                  Janice wrote:
                  Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments. Just as scientology has started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist, hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same. I hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or corporate level. From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative publicity. So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of integrity. Documented proof is easier today than in times past. Technology today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices that weren't possible a few years before. I hope any person experiencing harassment would document and save. These people seem to lose their heads easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the goods on them. If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your kool. Let them rant and rave. When you got enough against them, sock it to them in court. Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end up defending themselves on their own. It might go a long way in showing those still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well wishes to one and all.

                  Non <eckchains wrote:

                  Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this mindset.

                  noneckster ; )

                  "postekcon" wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
                  >
                  > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake. The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
                  >
                  > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward this 'karma'.
                  > -Postekcon
                  >
                  >
                  <prometheus_wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
                  > > True, Smith is a piece of
                  > > crap and Klemp turns a
                  > > blind-eye to his on-line
                  > > RESA approved thugs and
                  > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
                  > >
                  > > I'll make some comments,
                  > > below, to what you've shared.
                  > >
                  > > "robokidnx" wrote:
                  > >
                  > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
                  > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
                  > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
                  > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
                  > >
                  > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
                  > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
                  > > is delusional since HK's supposed
                  > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
                  > >
                  > > Then again, at major seminars
                  > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
                  > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
                  > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
                  > > the "negative vibrations" of the
                  > > EK audience behind them. It was
                  > > like putting a protective curtain
                  > > up. At one time this was done
                  > > because it was said that the Klemp
                  > > was tired from traveling and
                  > > his batteries were down. Now,
                  > > however, he doesn't travel to
                  > > seminars so what's the substituted
                  > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
                  > > for karma."
                  > >
                  > > WE EKists had traveled long
                  > > distance, were tired and experienced
                  > > negativity how this could be
                  > > caught or picked up by the
                  > > Mahanta and harm him was
                  > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
                  > > why the All Powerful and
                  > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
                  > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
                  > > (leader and highest of all EK
                  > > Masters), could be subject to
                  > > the minimally invasive, random,
                  > > negative vibrations undirected
                  > > towards him. How about us? Who's
                  > > protecting us, in our weakened
                  > > state, after a long day of travel?
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
                  > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
                  > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
                  > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
                  > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
                  > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
                  > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
                  > > squalid little cult.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
                  > > Marman knew full what was taking place
                  > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
                  > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
                  > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
                  > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
                  > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
                  > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
                  > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
                  > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
                  > > then, why are these people a member
                  > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
                  > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
                  > > everything this means that he's complaisant
                  > > in what Rich has done.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
                  > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
                  > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
                  > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
                  > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
                  > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
                  > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
                  > > They thought they were above the RESAs
                  > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
                  > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
                  > > name at seminars and in his Members
                  > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
                  > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
                  > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
                  > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
                  > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
                  > > "artistic license" was the norm.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
                  > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
                  > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
                  > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
                  > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
                  > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
                  > >
                  > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
                  > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
                  > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
                  > > the waking dream here?
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
                  > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
                  > > police. However, there's still a lot of
                  > > personality and initiation worship taking
                  > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
                  > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
                  > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
                  > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
                  > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
                  > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
                  > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
                  > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
                  > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
                  > > when it comes to following the ESC's
                  > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
                  > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
                  > > more hands on and others designate a
                  > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
                  > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
                  > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
                  > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
                  > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
                  > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
                  > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
                  > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
                  > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
                  > > even in the most inflated of them.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
                  > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
                  > > why some would believe it. Maybe
                  > > Twit once found and used that DNA
                  > > "spiritual master" activation thing
                  > > somewhere and repeated it as his
                  > > own mantra? I can see how and why
                  > > some would/could buy into that,
                  > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
                  > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
                  > > are, it's no wonder some could think
                  > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
                  > > the psychic was always seen as an
                  > > Astral ability and this is seen as
                  > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
                  > >
                  > > Then, again, there are those misguided
                  > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
                  > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
                  > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
                  > > one RESA police who would try to
                  > > read minds and project thoughts
                  > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
                  > > but this person didn't care. Anything
                  > > done in the name of the Mahanta
                  > > was okay because if it wasn't he
                  > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
                  > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
                  > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
                  > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
                  > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
                  > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
                  > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
                  > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
                  > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
                  > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
                  > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
                  > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
                  > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
                  > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
                  > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
                  > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: I never saw it this way.
                  > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
                  > > eternal and ancient and have
                  > > probably lived in alien bodies
                  > > on distant worlds. However,
                  > > this isn't discussed much if
                  > > at all. It mostly goes back to
                  > > Venus. I will agree that there
                  > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
                  > > Canadians, that do go for the
                  > > more phenomenal such as
                  > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
                  > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
                  > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
                  > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
                  > > real... at least in theory.
                  > >
                  > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
                  > > the EK ego. They are very
                  > > defensive. What's funny is
                  > > that they don't like the GOP's
                  > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
                  > > and neither do I. However,
                  > > at least I can criticize his
                  > > Mormon religion. ECKists
                  > > can't! How can one cultist
                  > > complain about another
                  > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
                  > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
                  > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
                  > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
                  > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
                  > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
                  > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
                  > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
                  > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
                  > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
                  > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
                  > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
                  > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
                  > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
                  > > and attribute their weakened health
                  > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
                  > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
                  > > devices.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
                  > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
                  > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
                  > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
                  > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
                  > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
                  > > there's no there there.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
                  > > Politicians use it all the time.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
                  > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
                  > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
                  > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
                  > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
                  > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
                  > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
                  > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: I think we have to look
                  > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
                  > > dogma came from, mostly,
                  > > Sant Mat which was flawed
                  > > as well. Besides, most EKists
                  > > don't really read that much
                  > > material outside of authorized
                  > > ECKankar books.
                  > >
                  > > True, EKists have become very
                  > > codependent upon their fake
                  > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
                  > > the place of the "Parking Space
                  > > Angel." All responsibility is
                  > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
                  > > was created by PT in 1969.
                  > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
                  > > via signs coming from their
                  > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
                  > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
                  > > It's such nonsense that people
                  > > who see themselves as "spiritually
                  > > advanced" Souls have to become
                  > > codependent upon a charlatan.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
                  > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
                  > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
                  > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions â€" no
                  > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
                  > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
                  > > development is seen as a
                  > > quirkiness due to his detached
                  > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
                  > > blind themselves to the truth
                  > > because to realize the Truth
                  > > would be devastating... what
                  > > would they do with their shattered
                  > > lives? Plus, what would happen
                  > > with their EK friends and family?
                  > > And, all of that time and money
                  > > and effort would be wasted if
                  > > they just walked away from those
                  > > precious initiations.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
                  > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
                  > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
                  > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
                  > > actions against former members.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
                  > > people are no more spiritually
                  > > advanced than those who water
                  > > board their suspected enemies.
                  > > However, this simply proves that
                  > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
                  > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
                  > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
                  > > was who he claims to be and with
                  > > the abilities to see into the lives
                  > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
                  > > did he allow this to happen? See!
                  > > This proves that Klemp and the
                  > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
                  > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
                  > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
                  > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
                  > > They've helped to make the
                  > > case against themselves!
                  > >
                  > > Prometheus

                • robokidnx
                  Prometheus, I ve appreciated your tenacity over the years speaking out against the cult. I do have to say though, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Klemp
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                    Prometheus,

                    I've appreciated your tenacity over the years speaking out against the cult. I do have to say though, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Klemp is far more of an authoritarian than you give him credit for. In my dealings with the followers of the cult, I've observed that they are utterly enthralled to him. Based on extended dealings with Smith, Clark, Marmon, Farley and many others (whose names I also know), I can assure you that Klemp is substantially involved with the harrasment of ex-members. In fact, in the inner circles, they like to make a show of it.

                    You forget Klemp's psychological profile. The leader of eckankar, by his own admission in his writings, is a physical coward and an insecure, highly meticulous control freak. I have no doubt he exibits OCD symptoms in his private life. Nothing in ecakanar goes on without his knowledge. Well, at least he likes to think so.

                    Free advice? Keep your criticisms based in reality rather than calling eckies "kal agents" and such. From what I've seen of their colective delusional system, the stuff that gets posted on this channel is mostly laughable to them. They have rationalized themselves way beyond such petty criticsms of their "outer" teaching and organization.

                    That's why I speak to potential readers who may be considering the cult and warn them to stay clear. The members themselves are too far gone for any sober self-assessmnet. Eckankar is a soul destroying experience for people who value their humanity.










                    --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello Janice, Non, and All,
                    > Since EK Dogma states that
                    > Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
                    > is aware of everything his
                    > H.I.s do, then, HK must be
                    > aware of what Rich Smith
                    > and his other H.I.s are doing.
                    >
                    > And, since Rich and other
                    > H.I.s are acting like KAL
                    > agents by being Negative,
                    > unfriendly, unkind, unloving
                    > and mean spirited, then,
                    > we have to logically assume
                    > that they are doing this
                    > with the full knowledge
                    > and approval of the full
                    > Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
                    > HK hasn't taken any action
                    > to demote or to denounce
                    > them it is because Klemp
                    > has approved their actions.
                    > Is trickery and negativity
                    > what a Black Magician
                    > would approve or the
                    > Mahanta?
                    >
                    > What's this really mean?
                    > It's obvious! It proves that
                    > Klemp is a fraud. If he's
                    > not a Black Magician then
                    > he's a conman!
                    >
                    > If Klemp had honesty and
                    > integrity he would have
                    > taken action against Smith
                    > and others. Really, if Klemp
                    > truly "knew" via Inner
                    > communication with his
                    > H.I.s he would have known
                    > what Smith and the others
                    > are/were doing and stopped
                    > it.
                    >
                    > So, HK either didn't know
                    > or he approved it.
                    >
                    > Also, if Klemp was really
                    > what he claimed, Rich Smith's
                    > consciousness would have
                    > been raised higher so that
                    > he would know right from
                    > wrong. But, come on! Non-
                    > EKists know right from wrong
                    > so why doesn't an EK Higher
                    > Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
                    > there be a Higher standard
                    > for people that are supposed
                    > to be more "spiritually advanced?"
                    >
                    > After all, Klemp preaches
                    > that nothing in the world
                    > of Maya matters. Politics
                    > don't matter and what people
                    > (non-EKists) say and do
                    > shouldn't matter... but
                    > Klemp is a hypocrite, a
                    > narcissist and a fraud.
                    >
                    > H.I.s act like they do because
                    > they are no more advanced
                    > in consciousness than when
                    > they first joined. They're just
                    > more knowledgable of dogma
                    > and of holding meetings. They
                    > failed the test and don't see
                    > that Eckankar was Twitchell's
                    > trap and his joke. It's simply
                    > another illusional religion
                    > designed to distract and
                    > placate the trusting and the
                    > naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
                    > the needy and the lazy.
                    >
                    > Prometheus
                    >
                    > Janice wrote:
                    > Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments. Just as scientology has started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist, hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same. I hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or corporate level. From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative publicity. So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of integrity. Documented proof is easier today than in times past. Technology today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices that weren't possible a few years before. I hope any person experiencing harassment would document and save. These people seem to lose their heads easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the goods on them. If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your kool. Let them rant and rave. When you got enough against them, sock it to them in court. Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end up defending themselves on their own. It might go a long way in showing those still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well wishes to one and all.
                    >
                    > Non <eckchains wrote:
                    >
                    > Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love. Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change this mindset.
                    >
                    > noneckster ; )
                    >
                    > "postekcon" wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
                    > >
                    > > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others. In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake. The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
                    > >
                    > > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition' some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to fastforward this 'karma'.
                    > > -Postekcon
                    > >
                    > >
                    > <prometheus_wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
                    > > > True, Smith is a piece of
                    > > > crap and Klemp turns a
                    > > > blind-eye to his on-line
                    > > > RESA approved thugs and
                    > > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
                    > > >
                    > > > I'll make some comments,
                    > > > below, to what you've shared.
                    > > >
                    > > > "robokidnx" wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on the now
                    > > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by eckankar
                    > > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which spilled
                    > > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
                    > > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
                    > > > is delusional since HK's supposed
                    > > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
                    > > >
                    > > > Then again, at major seminars
                    > > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
                    > > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
                    > > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
                    > > > the "negative vibrations" of the
                    > > > EK audience behind them. It was
                    > > > like putting a protective curtain
                    > > > up. At one time this was done
                    > > > because it was said that the Klemp
                    > > > was tired from traveling and
                    > > > his batteries were down. Now,
                    > > > however, he doesn't travel to
                    > > > seminars so what's the substituted
                    > > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
                    > > > for karma."
                    > > >
                    > > > WE EKists had traveled long
                    > > > distance, were tired and experienced
                    > > > negativity how this could be
                    > > > caught or picked up by the
                    > > > Mahanta and harm him was
                    > > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
                    > > > why the All Powerful and
                    > > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
                    > > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
                    > > > (leader and highest of all EK
                    > > > Masters), could be subject to
                    > > > the minimally invasive, random,
                    > > > negative vibrations undirected
                    > > > towards him. How about us? Who's
                    > > > protecting us, in our weakened
                    > > > state, after a long day of travel?
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of the
                    > > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The elaborate
                    > > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words) through
                    > > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the rest of
                    > > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants. So, as
                    > > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an opportunity to
                    > > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core of this
                    > > > squalid little cult.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
                    > > > Marman knew full what was taking place
                    > > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
                    > > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
                    > > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
                    > > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
                    > > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
                    > > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
                    > > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
                    > > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
                    > > > then, why are these people a member
                    > > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
                    > > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
                    > > > everything this means that he's complaisant
                    > > > in what Rich has done.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of eckankar's
                    > > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts deep
                    > > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action happens far
                    > > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the corporatist
                    > > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed four-color
                    > > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
                    > > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
                    > > > They thought they were above the RESAs
                    > > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
                    > > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
                    > > > name at seminars and in his Members
                    > > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
                    > > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
                    > > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
                    > > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
                    > > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
                    > > > "artistic license" was the norm.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies they used
                    > > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the process, I got
                    > > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual smokescreens of
                    > > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves while
                    > > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
                    > > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All true.
                    > > >
                    > > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with their
                    > > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp and the
                    > > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself. What's
                    > > > the waking dream here?
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
                    > > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
                    > > > police. However, there's still a lot of
                    > > > personality and initiation worship taking
                    > > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
                    > > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
                    > > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
                    > > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
                    > > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
                    > > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
                    > > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
                    > > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
                    > > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
                    > > > when it comes to following the ESC's
                    > > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
                    > > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
                    > > > more hands on and others designate a
                    > > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
                    > > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
                    > > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned about:
                    > > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically different from
                    > > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and psychic
                    > > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe they've
                    > > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended" into
                    > > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides taking their
                    > > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic ability
                    > > > even in the most inflated of them.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
                    > > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
                    > > > why some would believe it. Maybe
                    > > > Twit once found and used that DNA
                    > > > "spiritual master" activation thing
                    > > > somewhere and repeated it as his
                    > > > own mantra? I can see how and why
                    > > > some would/could buy into that,
                    > > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
                    > > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
                    > > > are, it's no wonder some could think
                    > > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
                    > > > the psychic was always seen as an
                    > > > Astral ability and this is seen as
                    > > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
                    > > >
                    > > > Then, again, there are those misguided
                    > > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
                    > > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
                    > > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
                    > > > one RESA police who would try to
                    > > > read minds and project thoughts
                    > > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
                    > > > but this person didn't care. Anything
                    > > > done in the name of the Mahanta
                    > > > was okay because if it wasn't he
                    > > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical incarnations of
                    > > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but the
                    > > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic avatars
                    > > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or questioned.
                    > > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the strange
                    > > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This self-identity
                    > > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief system
                    > > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug on this
                    > > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
                    > > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind control,
                    > > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate change
                    > > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls, channeling,
                    > > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote viewing,
                    > > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate timelines,
                    > > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very real to
                    > > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: I never saw it this way.
                    > > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
                    > > > eternal and ancient and have
                    > > > probably lived in alien bodies
                    > > > on distant worlds. However,
                    > > > this isn't discussed much if
                    > > > at all. It mostly goes back to
                    > > > Venus. I will agree that there
                    > > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
                    > > > Canadians, that do go for the
                    > > > more phenomenal such as
                    > > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
                    > > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
                    > > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
                    > > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
                    > > > real... at least in theory.
                    > > >
                    > > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
                    > > > the EK ego. They are very
                    > > > defensive. What's funny is
                    > > > that they don't like the GOP's
                    > > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
                    > > > and neither do I. However,
                    > > > at least I can criticize his
                    > > > Mormon religion. ECKists
                    > > > can't! How can one cultist
                    > > > complain about another
                    > > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
                    > > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
                    > > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp apparently knows
                    > > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the font of
                    > > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age Crazy
                    > > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's the
                    > > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
                    > > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
                    > > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
                    > > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
                    > > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
                    > > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
                    > > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
                    > > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
                    > > > and attribute their weakened health
                    > > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
                    > > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
                    > > > devices.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with, it's been
                    > > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps left by
                    > > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
                    > > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
                    > > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire menagerie
                    > > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet still,
                    > > > there's no there there.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
                    > > > Politicians use it all the time.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and the
                    > > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies "know" so
                    > > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g. since the
                    > > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing actually
                    > > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if you're an
                    > > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you to
                    > > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real people
                    > > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed guesses.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: I think we have to look
                    > > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
                    > > > dogma came from, mostly,
                    > > > Sant Mat which was flawed
                    > > > as well. Besides, most EKists
                    > > > don't really read that much
                    > > > material outside of authorized
                    > > > ECKankar books.
                    > > >
                    > > > True, EKists have become very
                    > > > codependent upon their fake
                    > > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
                    > > > the place of the "Parking Space
                    > > > Angel." All responsibility is
                    > > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
                    > > > was created by PT in 1969.
                    > > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
                    > > > via signs coming from their
                    > > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
                    > > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
                    > > > It's such nonsense that people
                    > > > who see themselves as "spiritually
                    > > > advanced" Souls have to become
                    > > > codependent upon a charlatan.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies feel
                    > > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
                    > > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation and
                    > > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own conclusions â€" no
                    > > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from Klemp's
                    > > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
                    > > > development is seen as a
                    > > > quirkiness due to his detached
                    > > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
                    > > > blind themselves to the truth
                    > > > because to realize the Truth
                    > > > would be devastating... what
                    > > > would they do with their shattered
                    > > > lives? Plus, what would happen
                    > > > with their EK friends and family?
                    > > > And, all of that time and money
                    > > > and effort would be wasted if
                    > > > they just walked away from those
                    > > > precious initiations.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the whole
                    > > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which they
                    > > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
                    > > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these organized
                    > > > actions against former members.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
                    > > > people are no more spiritually
                    > > > advanced than those who water
                    > > > board their suspected enemies.
                    > > > However, this simply proves that
                    > > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
                    > > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
                    > > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
                    > > > was who he claims to be and with
                    > > > the abilities to see into the lives
                    > > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
                    > > > did he allow this to happen? See!
                    > > > This proves that Klemp and the
                    > > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
                    > > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and threatened me
                    > > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give readers
                    > > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what it is.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
                    > > > They've helped to make the
                    > > > case against themselves!
                    > > >
                    > > > Prometheus
                    >
                  • prometheus_973
                    Hello robo, I m not sure how many of my posts you ve read but you ve obviously missed seeing the various approaches. Yes, I know Klemp is very controlling and
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                      Hello robo,
                      I'm not sure how many
                      of my posts you've read
                      but you've obviously missed
                      seeing the various approaches.
                      Yes, I know Klemp is very
                      controlling and I've addressed
                      that as well. And, I do approach
                      EKankar for the newbies too.

                      It seems your assuming
                      way too much. Not all EKists
                      are lost and I never asked
                      for your "free advice" which,
                      btw, I view as being rather
                      arbitrary. When I say H.I.s
                      are being Kal Agents I'm
                      merely using their "common
                      language."

                      I, and others, were long-time
                      ECK leaders when we first read
                      Ford's book. Many of us left, so
                      you see, your premise that H.I.s
                      are too delusional to wake up is
                      flawed.

                      Plus, I don't make petty criticisms
                      except for fun. EX: Klemp is goofy
                      looking, doesn't look or speak
                      like a "Master" and this was/is
                      an embarrassment to many EKists.
                      This can be seen as a "petty
                      criticism" but it's the truth as
                      well. Many ECKists are embarrassed
                      when they first go out into the
                      public and this embarrassment
                      returns when they are around
                      more intelligent and people with
                      a knowledge of cults. Yes, it's
                      part of the delusion that one buys
                      into where the "Inner" is so much
                      greater and safer than the reality
                      of the "outer." It's pretend!

                      Now to you many of these
                      topics are petty since I'm
                      thinking you didn't really
                      know the business side
                      and workings of the org,
                      thus, it's over your head
                      is foreign and you can't
                      relate to it. But, many H.I.s
                      do relate to it and know
                      what I'm saying. I'm shinning
                      a light upon the nonsense
                      so they might come to see.

                      Besides, many people just don't
                      have all the pieces to the puzzle
                      that led them to being fooled, and
                      trapped, and I'm simply helping
                      them to find the pieces so they
                      won't make the same mistakes
                      again. People will believe one lie
                      over another rather than becoming
                      their own Truth. And, in some ways
                      this site is like talk-therapy. It
                      helps me/us to see how we were
                      fooled.

                      Maybe we can use some of this
                      info to approach EK friends in
                      a non-threatening way.

                      Plus, it's fun to criticize Klemp
                      since no one could ever complain
                      about the rules and Guidelines
                      and all the nonsense he would
                      say. There is No Second Guessing
                      of the Klempster since he's even
                      "Higher" than Jesus or "God"
                      and he promotes himself as
                      a "New Age" (substitute) prophet.

                      Perhaps, in another post, you could
                      contribute something more negative
                      about Eckankar than about this site.

                      Prometheus


                      "robokidnx" wrote:
                      >
                      > Prometheus,
                      >
                      > I've appreciated your tenacity over the years speaking out against the cult. I
                      do have to say though, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Klemp is far more
                      of an authoritarian than you give him credit for. In my dealings with the
                      followers of the cult, I've observed that they are utterly enthralled to him.
                      Based on extended dealings with Smith, Clark, Marmon, Farley and many others
                      (whose names I also know), I can assure you that Klemp is substantially involved
                      with the harrasment of ex-members. In fact, in the inner circles, they like to
                      make a show of it.
                      >
                      > You forget Klemp's psychological profile. The leader of eckankar, by his own
                      admission in his writings, is a physical coward and an insecure, highly
                      meticulous control freak. I have no doubt he exibits OCD symptoms in his private
                      life. Nothing in ecakanar goes on without his knowledge. Well, at least he likes
                      to think so.
                      >
                      > Free advice? Keep your criticisms based in reality rather than calling eckies
                      "kal agents" and such. From what I've seen of their colective delusional system,
                      the stuff that gets posted on this channel is mostly laughable to them. They
                      have rationalized themselves way beyond such petty criticsms of their "outer"
                      teaching and organization.
                      >
                      > That's why I speak to potential readers who may be considering the cult and
                      warn them to stay clear. The members themselves are too far gone for any sober
                      self-assessmnet. Eckankar is a soul destroying experience for people who value
                      their humanity.
                      >
                      >
                      <prometheus_973@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Hello Janice, Non, and All,
                      > > Since EK Dogma states that
                      > > Klemp (the EK Mahanta/LEM)
                      > > is aware of everything his
                      > > H.I.s do, then, HK must be
                      > > aware of what Rich Smith
                      > > and his other H.I.s are doing.
                      > >
                      > > And, since Rich and other
                      > > H.I.s are acting like KAL
                      > > agents by being Negative,
                      > > unfriendly, unkind, unloving
                      > > and mean spirited, then,
                      > > we have to logically assume
                      > > that they are doing this
                      > > with the full knowledge
                      > > and approval of the full
                      > > Mahanta, Klemp. And, since
                      > > HK hasn't taken any action
                      > > to demote or to denounce
                      > > them it is because Klemp
                      > > has approved their actions.
                      > > Is trickery and negativity
                      > > what a Black Magician
                      > > would approve or the
                      > > Mahanta?
                      > >
                      > > What's this really mean?
                      > > It's obvious! It proves that
                      > > Klemp is a fraud. If he's
                      > > not a Black Magician then
                      > > he's a conman!
                      > >
                      > > If Klemp had honesty and
                      > > integrity he would have
                      > > taken action against Smith
                      > > and others. Really, if Klemp
                      > > truly "knew" via Inner
                      > > communication with his
                      > > H.I.s he would have known
                      > > what Smith and the others
                      > > are/were doing and stopped
                      > > it.
                      > >
                      > > So, HK either didn't know
                      > > or he approved it.
                      > >
                      > > Also, if Klemp was really
                      > > what he claimed, Rich Smith's
                      > > consciousness would have
                      > > been raised higher so that
                      > > he would know right from
                      > > wrong. But, come on! Non-
                      > > EKists know right from wrong
                      > > so why doesn't an EK Higher
                      > > Initiate. Isn't there or shouldn't
                      > > there be a Higher standard
                      > > for people that are supposed
                      > > to be more "spiritually advanced?"
                      > >
                      > > After all, Klemp preaches
                      > > that nothing in the world
                      > > of Maya matters. Politics
                      > > don't matter and what people
                      > > (non-EKists) say and do
                      > > shouldn't matter... but
                      > > Klemp is a hypocrite, a
                      > > narcissist and a fraud.
                      > >
                      > > H.I.s act like they do because
                      > > they are no more advanced
                      > > in consciousness than when
                      > > they first joined. They're just
                      > > more knowledgable of dogma
                      > > and of holding meetings. They
                      > > failed the test and don't see
                      > > that Eckankar was Twitchell's
                      > > trap and his joke. It's simply
                      > > another illusional religion
                      > > designed to distract and
                      > > placate the trusting and the
                      > > naive, as well as, the psychopathic,
                      > > the needy and the lazy.
                      > >
                      > > Prometheus
                      > >
                      > > Janice wrote:
                      > > Thanks to all of you for your stories and comments. Just as scientology has
                      started making the news for it's harassment and bullying of ex scientologist,
                      hopefully it is just a matter of time before eckankar gets some of the same. I
                      hope no ex eckist would take any crap from eckankar on their local, state or
                      corporate level. From what I got when I was in, the org doesn't want negative
                      publicity. So I would think the best defense for harassment from them would be
                      to drag their antics out where the world can see their deceit and lack of
                      integrity. Documented proof is easier today than in times past. Technology
                      today allows you to record and snap pictures on cell phones and other devices
                      that weren't possible a few years before. I hope any person experiencing
                      harassment would document and save. These people seem to lose their heads
                      easily when their egos are threatened so it should be fairly easy to get the
                      goods on them. If they ever start with me that is what I would do. Keep your
                      kool. Let them rant and rave. When you got enough against them, sock it to
                      them in court. Most likely, they will be deserted by their beloved org and end
                      up defending themselves on their own. It might go a long way in showing those
                      still mesmerized by the eckankar zargon what a one sided affair being involved
                      with eckankar is. Anyway, thanks again for the stories and good luck and well
                      wishes to one and all.
                      > >
                      > > Non <eckchains wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Sooo true, and of course they also claim to do it in the name of ek Love.
                      Talk about disconnect! They also operate from a place of OCD fear, in that the
                      non eckist is like an untouchable. HI's lack any real compassion and are lost in
                      the narcissistic/grandiose sociopathic liar mentality. Most will never change
                      this mindset.
                      > >
                      > > noneckster ; )
                      > >
                      > > "postekcon" wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Ekult has similar mindset to 'spanish inquisition', 'nazi germany' etc.
                      > > >
                      > > > A group of self-righteous people who see themselves 'superior' to others.
                      In the case of the spanish inquisition, you had a church which did not tolerate
                      any other views. It was called heresy! The teaching of the church was (following
                      death) only its members went to 'heaven', all others went to the 'fires of
                      hell'. From there, it was an easy logical step to justify burnings at the stake.
                      The condemned individual was going to the fires of hell anyway, so why not begin
                      the process now for sadistic satisfaction!
                      > > >
                      > > > Ditto ekult. An individual who does not display allegience to HK and
                      ekult, will have 'karma' heaped upon them. So, as with 'spanish inquisition'
                      some ekult members justify their harrassment of others and actively work to
                      fastforward this 'karma'.
                      > > > -Postekcon
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > <prometheus_wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hello Robokidnx and All,
                      > > > > True, Smith is a piece of
                      > > > > crap and Klemp turns a
                      > > > > blind-eye to his on-line
                      > > > > RESA approved thugs and
                      > > > > to the brainless EK fanatics.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'll make some comments,
                      > > > > below, to what you've shared.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "robokidnx" wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > About eight years ago, I posted some irreverent anti-eckankar screeds on
                      the now
                      > > > > defunct A.R.E. channel. What followed was a six year smear campaign by
                      eckankar
                      > > > > with almost daily harassment, stalking and (yes) death threats which
                      spilled
                      > > > > over from the internet into actual contacts in my physical life.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: H.I.s feel that they need
                      > > > > to "protect" the Mahanta which
                      > > > > is delusional since HK's supposed
                      > > > > to be all powerful and all knowing.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Then again, at major seminars
                      > > > > H.I.s would sit in the front row
                      > > > > in order to "protect" the LEM/
                      > > > > pseudo Mahanta (Klemp) from
                      > > > > the "negative vibrations" of the
                      > > > > EK audience behind them. It was
                      > > > > like putting a protective curtain
                      > > > > up. At one time this was done
                      > > > > because it was said that the Klemp
                      > > > > was tired from traveling and
                      > > > > his batteries were down. Now,
                      > > > > however, he doesn't travel to
                      > > > > seminars so what's the substituted
                      > > > > excuse... HK's "the holding tank
                      > > > > for karma."
                      > > > >
                      > > > > WE EKists had traveled long
                      > > > > distance, were tired and experienced
                      > > > > negativity how this could be
                      > > > > caught or picked up by the
                      > > > > Mahanta and harm him was
                      > > > > puzzling. It did make me wonder
                      > > > > why the All Powerful and
                      > > > > All Knowing 14th Initiate and
                      > > > > Mahanta/LEM, Harold Klemp
                      > > > > (leader and highest of all EK
                      > > > > Masters), could be subject to
                      > > > > the minimally invasive, random,
                      > > > > negative vibrations undirected
                      > > > > towards him. How about us? Who's
                      > > > > protecting us, in our weakened
                      > > > > state, after a long day of travel?
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > This was characterized by cult mouthpiece Rich Smith as "the long arm of
                      the
                      > > > > mahanta" reaching out to me. In other words, divine retribution. The
                      elaborate
                      > > > > harassment campaign was organized to "shut [me] down" (Smith's words)
                      through
                      > > > > public humiliation, exhaustion, fear and confusion. Fortunately for the
                      rest of
                      > > > > us, Klemp surrounds himself with incompetent, over-reaching sycophants.
                      So, as
                      > > > > difficult as the experience was for me and my family, it was an
                      opportunity to
                      > > > > directly confront the camouflaged insanity and soullessness at the core
                      of this
                      > > > > squalid little cult.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: Yes, Smith's RESA, as well as, Doug
                      > > > > Marman knew full what was taking place
                      > > > > as did Klemp and all those staffers at the
                      > > > > ESC. I would have contacted Smith's RESA
                      > > > > and Eckankar Membership Services and
                      > > > > Carol Morimitsu. What's funny, and is
                      > > > > a Catch-22 for Klemp, is that he's responsible
                      > > > > for his H.I.s and is supposed to "Know"
                      > > > > on the "INNER" all that is taking place
                      > > > > with his H.I.s. And, if this is not true,
                      > > > > then, why are these people a member
                      > > > > of this religion called ECKankar? However,
                      > > > > since Klemp does, supposedly, "Know"
                      > > > > everything this means that he's complaisant
                      > > > > in what Rich has done.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Although it's helpful to point out the glaring inadequacies of
                      eckankar's
                      > > > > writings and the absurdities of its dogmas, the real side show starts
                      deep
                      > > > > inside the fevered minds of the cult high initiates. All the action
                      happens far
                      > > > > from the cynical religious sleight-of-hand for the new people, the
                      corporatist
                      > > > > prosperity theology of the wannabe eck megachurch and the airbrushed
                      four-color
                      > > > > brochures of eckankar's public face.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I knew of some H.I.s who saw themselves
                      > > > > as part of the Mahanta's Inner Circle.
                      > > > > They thought they were above the RESAs
                      > > > > and even the 8th Initiates. Their delusion
                      > > > > was fed by Klemp mentioning them by
                      > > > > name at seminars and in his Members
                      > > > > Only pubs and in his books. I know for
                      > > > > a fact that their "stories" were embellished.
                      > > > > But, when looking at Twitchell's lies, which
                      > > > > became the foundation of EKankar, it's
                      > > > > no wonder some EKies thought that taking
                      > > > > "artistic license" was the norm.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'll spare you the details of the extravagant tactics and strategies
                      they used
                      > > > > to try to force their world view on me and my family, but in the
                      process, I got
                      > > > > a good hard look at how the eckie mindset works. Past the usual
                      smokescreens of
                      > > > > posturing and hypocrisy, they had no choice but to expose themselves
                      while
                      > > > > coming after me. Here's just a few things I learned from my six years in
                      > > > > Toontown up against the eckankar goon squad. No particular order. All
                      true.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~Eckankar appears to be splintered into a number of sub-cults each with
                      their
                      > > > > own leaders and collective delusions about themselves, Twitchell, Klemp
                      and the
                      > > > > larger cult. Eckankar is a house fractured and divided against itself.
                      What's
                      > > > > the waking dream here?
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: Klemp has organized and structured
                      > > > > the org more so with his hierarchy of RESA
                      > > > > police. However, there's still a lot of
                      > > > > personality and initiation worship taking
                      > > > > place. EK Authors and Musicians are very
                      > > > > popular as are higher ups at the ESC with
                      > > > > titles as well as 8ths and the President,
                      > > > > Peter and those former RESAs who are on
                      > > > > the guest speaking tour. it funny how these
                      > > > > 7ths (in their 60's, 70's, 80's) are pretending
                      > > > > they're 8ths on the Inner. I know that the
                      > > > > EK leadership seems fractured, and there
                      > > > > are some passive/aggressive tendencies
                      > > > > when it comes to following the ESC's
                      > > > > Guidelines, but RESAs do have some latitude
                      > > > > on how they do things. Some RESAs are
                      > > > > more hands on and others designate a
                      > > > > lot of responsibility to others. The RESA
                      > > > > of Texas is a delegator. The RESA of Hawaii
                      > > > > (Rich Smith's) must, also, be one.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~Here's a mind-blowing eck secret teaching everybody should be warned
                      about:
                      > > > > Eckankar high initiates these days believe they are genetically
                      different from
                      > > > > ordinary humans - superior in intelligence, perception, insight and
                      psychic
                      > > > > powers. This is why they're arrogant. They can't help it. They believe
                      they've
                      > > > > got "activated" twelve stranded DNA which constitutes having "ascended"
                      into
                      > > > > higher planes while still in the physical body. Ironically, besides
                      taking their
                      > > > > word for it, there's little evidence of independent thought or psychic
                      ability
                      > > > > even in the most inflated of them.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: I haven't heard that one before
                      > > > > (at least with EKists) but I can see
                      > > > > why some would believe it. Maybe
                      > > > > Twit once found and used that DNA
                      > > > > "spiritual master" activation thing
                      > > > > somewhere and repeated it as his
                      > > > > own mantra? I can see how and why
                      > > > > some would/could buy into that,
                      > > > > except, for the karma and Soul aspect.
                      > > > > But, knowing how delusional H.I.s
                      > > > > are, it's no wonder some could think
                      > > > > they had "psychic" abilities. Although,
                      > > > > the psychic was always seen as an
                      > > > > Astral ability and this is seen as
                      > > > > offensive and of a low KAL level.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Then, again, there are those misguided
                      > > > > ECKists (H.I.s) who would sacrifice
                      > > > > their own Souls to, supposedly,
                      > > > > "protect" the Mahanta. I knew of
                      > > > > one RESA police who would try to
                      > > > > read minds and project thoughts
                      > > > > to others. Sure it was Astral (psychic)
                      > > > > but this person didn't care. Anything
                      > > > > done in the name of the Mahanta
                      > > > > was okay because if it wasn't he
                      > > > > (Klemp) wouldn't allow it... right!
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~Check this out. Eckie high initiates believe they are physical
                      incarnations of
                      > > > > a vast hierarchy of super beings that transcends not only the galaxy but
                      the
                      > > > > universe itself! Yep. They believe they're an order of inter-galactic
                      avatars
                      > > > > embodied here on earth. Their grandiosity is not to be challenged or
                      questioned.
                      > > > > (They get pissy when their egos get bruised.) This explains a lot of the
                      strange
                      > > > > puffed up behavior they've become famous for over the years. This
                      self-identity
                      > > > > is based on reconstituted Theosophical dogma and a millennialist belief
                      system
                      > > > > borrowed from the 2012 world ascension movement. Of course, if you tug
                      on this
                      > > > > particularly gooey mass, you'll pull up all the associated craziness of
                      > > > > reptilian invaders, underground UFO bases, new world order matrix mind
                      control,
                      > > > > bird-brained Libertarian politics, right-wing Masonic paranoia, climate
                      change
                      > > > > denial, illuminati, alien races, Niburu, Atlantis, crystal skulls,
                      channeling,
                      > > > > spiritualism, ascended masters, demonic possession, exorcism, remote
                      viewing,
                      > > > > psychic surgery, astral wars, star gates, worm holes, alternate
                      timelines,
                      > > > > fallen angels, time travel…the hits just keep coming and it's ALL very
                      real to
                      > > > > the indiscriminate sensibilities of the befuddled eckie cultist.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: I never saw it this way.
                      > > > > As Soul we are all, supposedly,
                      > > > > eternal and ancient and have
                      > > > > probably lived in alien bodies
                      > > > > on distant worlds. However,
                      > > > > this isn't discussed much if
                      > > > > at all. It mostly goes back to
                      > > > > Venus. I will agree that there
                      > > > > are some nuttier EKists, especially
                      > > > > Canadians, that do go for the
                      > > > > more phenomenal such as
                      > > > > Bigfoot, UFOs, the Illuminati,
                      > > > > Adam Dreamhealer, Quantum
                      > > > > whatever, etc. But wormholes,
                      > > > > I'm thinking, are scientifically
                      > > > > real... at least in theory.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Yes, it's very easy to bruise
                      > > > > the EK ego. They are very
                      > > > > defensive. What's funny is
                      > > > > that they don't like the GOP's
                      > > > > Presidential candidate, Romney,
                      > > > > and neither do I. However,
                      > > > > at least I can criticize his
                      > > > > Mormon religion. ECKists
                      > > > > can't! How can one cultist
                      > > > > complain about another
                      > > > > cultist. It's a lose/lose for
                      > > > > ECKists.... too funny! LOL!
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~The inside of a high eckie's head is a smorgasbord of new age internet
                      > > > > websites, popular sci-fi and non-stop Coast to Coast AM. Klemp
                      apparently knows
                      > > > > all this and never comments on it. Since eckies believe they are the
                      font of
                      > > > > higher consciousness on earth, that means Klemp owns all the new age
                      Crazy
                      > > > > that's out there. As the god-man of the ultimate new age religion, he's
                      the
                      > > > > source of it all. He owns that shit.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: True. New Agers are targeted
                      > > > > by Klemp and company. But, I like
                      > > > > Sci-Fi. It's nice to have an imagination,
                      > > > > it can be fun and creative. Actually,
                      > > > > most H.I.s don't use their computers
                      > > > > and the Internet all that much. Steve
                      > > > > R. and Rich and some of those guys
                      > > > > sure! Many H.I.s are afraid of EMF
                      > > > > and attribute their weakened health
                      > > > > to the electro magnetic frequencies
                      > > > > transmitted by electrical wiring and
                      > > > > devices.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~Since there's no substance to the eckankar teachings to begin with,
                      it's been
                      > > > > necessary over the years to back-peddle and fill in the enormous gaps
                      left by
                      > > > > Twitchell's scam. Fortunately for business, the growing field of
                      > > > > neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, mind control, Scientology, Pop
                      > > > > Psychology, pseudo-science, remote viewing, Ken Wilbur and the entire
                      menagerie
                      > > > > of new age woo have filled in the knowledge vacuum for eckankar. Yet
                      still,
                      > > > > there's no there there.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: Yes, NLP is big business.
                      > > > > Politicians use it all the time.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~This is funny and sad at the same time. The holographic universe and
                      the
                      > > > > pedantic eckie know-it-all: Here's one of the secrets of how eckies
                      "know" so
                      > > > > much. Take any pseudo-scientific theory and turn it into a dogma. E.g.
                      since the
                      > > > > universe is holographic, even the most insignificant detail of a thing
                      actually
                      > > > > contains the whole truth of it and you need look no deeper. Also, if
                      you're an
                      > > > > eckie, the eckie god helps you by pointing out the details he wants you
                      to
                      > > > > notice. Fine, until you try to use this simplistic idiocy to judge real
                      people
                      > > > > and evaluate events based on half-baked insights paired with wild-eyed
                      guesses.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: I think we have to look
                      > > > > at religion as a whole. ECKankar
                      > > > > dogma came from, mostly,
                      > > > > Sant Mat which was flawed
                      > > > > as well. Besides, most EKists
                      > > > > don't really read that much
                      > > > > material outside of authorized
                      > > > > ECKankar books.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > True, EKists have become very
                      > > > > codependent upon their fake
                      > > > > Mahanta. HK's has even taken
                      > > > > the place of the "Parking Space
                      > > > > Angel." All responsibility is
                      > > > > deferred to "the Mahanta" which
                      > > > > was created by PT in 1969.
                      > > > > EKists, also, look for "signs"
                      > > > > via signs coming from their
                      > > > > imaginary friend and Klemp's
                      > > > > alter ego... the Mahanta.
                      > > > > It's such nonsense that people
                      > > > > who see themselves as "spiritually
                      > > > > advanced" Souls have to become
                      > > > > codependent upon a charlatan.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > True to religious control strategies though, this approach makes eckies
                      feel
                      > > > > smart but guarantees they remain superficial in their comprehension of
                      > > > > experience. Eckies exist in an echo-chamber of mutual self-confirmation
                      and
                      > > > > self-congratulation. They never question or challenge their own
                      conclusions â€" no
                      > > > > matter how stupid or far-fetched. This is a lesson taken, no doubt, from
                      Klemp's
                      > > > > oeuvre of peculiarly bizarre stories and examples from his own life.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: Yes, Klemp's arrested
                      > > > > development is seen as a
                      > > > > quirkiness due to his detached
                      > > > > spiritual advancement. H.I.s
                      > > > > blind themselves to the truth
                      > > > > because to realize the Truth
                      > > > > would be devastating... what
                      > > > > would they do with their shattered
                      > > > > lives? Plus, what would happen
                      > > > > with their EK friends and family?
                      > > > > And, all of that time and money
                      > > > > and effort would be wasted if
                      > > > > they just walked away from those
                      > > > > precious initiations.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ~Besides the death threats, maybe the most disturbing thing about the
                      whole
                      > > > > harassment campaign by eckankar has been the sadistic glee with which
                      they
                      > > > > carried it out over the course of the six years. I have no doubt the
                      > > > > psychologically truncated leader sets the emotional tone for these
                      organized
                      > > > > actions against former members.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: True! It's obvious that these
                      > > > > people are no more spiritually
                      > > > > advanced than those who water
                      > > > > board their suspected enemies.
                      > > > > However, this simply proves that
                      > > > > the ECK Higher Initiations of Rich
                      > > > > Smith are false and that Klemp is
                      > > > > a false prophet/Mahanta. If Klemp
                      > > > > was who he claims to be and with
                      > > > > the abilities to see into the lives
                      > > > > of his H.I.s via the ECK... then why
                      > > > > did he allow this to happen? See!
                      > > > > This proves that Klemp and the
                      > > > > ECKankar dogma are fraudulent!
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > But wait! There's so much more. These are just a few of the eye-opening
                      > > > > discoveries I made about eckankar while they stalked, harassed and
                      threatened me
                      > > > > and my family for six years. I think it should be enough though, to give
                      readers
                      > > > > a heads-up on this truly unhinged and dangerous little cult. It is what
                      it is.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ME: Thanks for sharing this.
                      > > > > They've helped to make the
                      > > > > case against themselves!
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Prometheus
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