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  • prometheus_973
    Hello Russ and All, Maybe that Karma was getting too heavy and his human hip couldn t handle the load? Maybe HK lost his balance while carrying all that karma
    Message 1 of 7 , May 8, 2012
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      Hello Russ and All,
      Maybe that Karma was
      getting too heavy and
      his human hip couldn't
      handle the load? Maybe
      HK lost his balance while
      carrying all that karma
      down the stairs? I'm thinking
      he set the karma down,
      and forgot where he put
      it, and, then, tripped over
      it!

      Yes, Klemp fell and broke
      his hip and needed to have
      a replacement. Of course
      he used the same old "Holding
      Tank for Karma" excuse.

      I don't see why HK didn't
      just heal himself. WWRD?
      What Would Rebazar Do?
      I doubt that the fake RT
      has a fake hip. He's as
      perfect as a lie can be
      and is 500 years old...
      he's been a "holding
      tank for karma" too but
      isn't the worst for wear
      like Klemp! ROFLMAO!

      I'm told he was still in
      pain at the seminar, but
      fought through it for his
      chelas. What's both funny
      and sad is that he's simply
      experiencing what his
      followers experience, but
      they don't use excuses.
      It's called life! Plus, Klemp
      has the best health care
      money can buy!

      Prometheus


      Russ wrote:
      I heard from an eck friend, the HK was in the hospital for 30 days with a broken hip. As anyone heard about this?

      I can hear the jokes this will generate. I guess his reality is a bit 'cracked'.

      but seriously folks...



      Prometheus wrote:

      Hello Etznab and All,
      It is interesting that Phil
      Morimitsu's books are
      no longer available and
      that Klemp doesn't permit
      other EKists to have their
      more profound stories
      of experiences printed
      since these could possibly
      be seen as a challenge
      to his authority.

      Some EKists think Klemp
      should have stepped down
      long ago and that his EMR
      illness (circa 1990) was
      a "nudge" by the ECK for
      him to acknowledge. Instead,
      HK used his illnesses to
      create the story about
      being a "holding tank for
      (the) Karma" of his chelas.

      Prometheus

      Etznab wrote:

      They got reports? Hmm ... then maybe I should send in a report? :)

      I could give other examples where it looks like Eckankar is interested
      in stories from other people, including what people found by research.
      Apparently though, the LEM. isn't going to simply look at the Eck-Vidya
      and share answers to all of the questions people have. At the same time
      though, it looks like people pick and choose from all the information
      only what "THEY WANT" the facts to be and put the rest under the rug.

      If one disregards the reported facts written by Paul Twitchell
      concerning his meetings, encounters, and relationships with Eck Masters
      then where does it leave you? In Never Never Land with Peter Pan and
      Tinker Bell, etc.? (Hey look! He's playing a flute!)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland

      Are "spiritual experiences", the "stories" (and the stories that people
      send in) somehow more REAL than factual accounts which can be
      researched and verified? Or, Are "spiritual experiences" sometimes used
      as a label for anything a person wants to be true? Iow, does the land
      of make believe trump the actual facts? This is what it comes down to,
      IMO.
    • prometheus_973
      Here s more that I found on the Internet via Google: Linda. It was an amazing talk about living and giving divine love to all life regardless of our
      Message 2 of 7 , May 8, 2012
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        Here's more that I found
        on the Internet via Google:

        Linda. "It was an amazing talk
        about living and giving divine
        love to all life regardless of our
        circumstances. Harold Klemp
        fell and broke his hip earlier
        this year."

        Reflections of Soul
        –Sri Harold Klemp. The Spiritual
        Leader of ECKANKAR recently
        broke his hip during a skiing
        accident. He said he remembered
        to sing... [Ted Nugent's Stranglehold.
        He was delirious!]

        Does breaking one's hip during
        a ski outing sound like it was
        related to being a "Holding
        Tank for Karma" or from being
        inattentive and lacking experience?

        Thus, if Klemp trips because
        he's not paying attention and
        stubs his toe is this, too, due
        to the Karma of his chelas?

        BTW- If HK gets a flat tire, is
        that the fault of his chelas too?
        How much blame and guilt
        can chelas handle? Oh, one
        more thing, since H.I.s are
        karma free I'm assuming
        that Klemp is taking on the
        karma of the lower initiates
        only... right?

        Prometheus



        prometheus_wrote:
        >
        > Hello Russ and All,
        > Maybe that Karma was
        > getting too heavy and
        > his human hip couldn't
        > handle the load? Maybe
        > HK lost his balance while
        > carrying all that karma
        > down the stairs? I'm thinking
        > he set the karma down,
        > and forgot where he put
        > it, and, then, tripped over
        > it!
        >
        > Yes, Klemp fell and broke
        > his hip and needed to have
        > a replacement. Of course
        > he used the same old "Holding
        > Tank for Karma" excuse.
        >
        > I don't see why HK didn't
        > just heal himself. WWRD?
        > What Would Rebazar Do?
        > I doubt that the fake RT
        > has a fake hip. He's as
        > perfect as a lie can be
        > and is 500 years old...
        > he's been a "holding
        > tank for karma" too but
        > isn't the worst for wear
        > like Klemp! ROFLMAO!
        >
        > I'm told he was still in
        > pain at the seminar, but
        > fought through it for his
        > chelas. What's both funny
        > and sad is that he's simply
        > experiencing what his
        > followers experience, but
        > they don't use excuses.
        > It's called life! Plus, Klemp
        > has the best health care
        > money can buy!
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
        >
        > Russ wrote:
        > I heard from an eck friend, the HK was in the hospital for 30 days with a broken hip. As anyone heard about this?
        >
        > I can hear the jokes this will generate. I guess his reality is a bit 'cracked'.
        >
        > but seriously folks...
        >
        >
        >
        > Prometheus wrote:
        >
        > Hello Etznab and All,
        > It is interesting that Phil
        > Morimitsu's books are
        > no longer available and
        > that Klemp doesn't permit
        > other EKists to have their
        > more profound stories
        > of experiences printed
        > since these could possibly
        > be seen as a challenge
        > to his authority.
        >
        > Some EKists think Klemp
        > should have stepped down
        > long ago and that his EMR
        > illness (circa 1990) was
        > a "nudge" by the ECK for
        > him to acknowledge. Instead,
        > HK used his illnesses to
        > create the story about
        > being a "holding tank for
        > (the) Karma" of his chelas.
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
        > Etznab wrote:
        >
        > They got reports? Hmm ... then maybe I should send in a report? :)
        >
        > I could give other examples where it looks like Eckankar is interested
        > in stories from other people, including what people found by research.
        > Apparently though, the LEM. isn't going to simply look at the Eck-Vidya
        > and share answers to all of the questions people have. At the same time
        > though, it looks like people pick and choose from all the information
        > only what "THEY WANT" the facts to be and put the rest under the rug.
        >
        > If one disregards the reported facts written by Paul Twitchell
        > concerning his meetings, encounters, and relationships with Eck Masters
        > then where does it leave you? In Never Never Land with Peter Pan and
        > Tinker Bell, etc.? (Hey look! He's playing a flute!)
        >
        > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland
        >
        > Are "spiritual experiences", the "stories" (and the stories that people
        > send in) somehow more REAL than factual accounts which can be
        > researched and verified? Or, Are "spiritual experiences" sometimes used
        > as a label for anything a person wants to be true? Iow, does the land
        > of make believe trump the actual facts? This is what it comes down to,
        > IMO.
        >
      • Janice Pfeiffer
        Is it really the case that high initiates are considered karma free and if so at what level is this supposed to be true?  I never heard that one before. ...
        Message 3 of 7 , May 9, 2012
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          Is it really the case that high initiates are considered karma free and if so at what level is this supposed to be true?  I never heard that one before.

          --- On Wed, 5/9/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:

          From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
          Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Yes, Klemp Had A Hip Replacement
          To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 4:13 AM

           
          Here's more that I found
          on the Internet via Google:

          Linda. "It was an amazing talk
          about living and giving divine
          love to all life regardless of our
          circumstances. Harold Klemp
          fell and broke his hip earlier
          this year."

          Reflections of Soul
          –Sri Harold Klemp. The Spiritual
          Leader of ECKANKAR recently
          broke his hip during a skiing
          accident. He said he remembered
          to sing... [Ted Nugent's Stranglehold.
          He was delirious!]

          Does breaking one's hip during
          a ski outing sound like it was
          related to being a "Holding
          Tank for Karma" or from being
          inattentive and lacking experience?

          Thus, if Klemp trips because
          he's not paying attention and
          stubs his toe is this, too, due
          to the Karma of his chelas?

          BTW- If HK gets a flat tire, is
          that the fault of his chelas too?
          How much blame and guilt
          can chelas handle? Oh, one
          more thing, since H.I.s are
          karma free I'm assuming
          that Klemp is taking on the
          karma of the lower initiates
          only... right?

          Prometheus

          prometheus_wrote:
          >
          > Hello Russ and All,
          > Maybe that Karma was
          > getting too heavy and
          > his human hip couldn't
          > handle the load? Maybe
          > HK lost his balance while
          > carrying all that karma
          > down the stairs? I'm thinking
          > he set the karma down,
          > and forgot where he put
          > it, and, then, tripped over
          > it!
          >
          > Yes, Klemp fell and broke
          > his hip and needed to have
          > a replacement. Of course
          > he used the same old "Holding
          > Tank for Karma" excuse.
          >
          > I don't see why HK didn't
          > just heal himself. WWRD?
          > What Would Rebazar Do?
          > I doubt that the fake RT
          > has a fake hip. He's as
          > perfect as a lie can be
          > and is 500 years old...
          > he's been a "holding
          > tank for karma" too but
          > isn't the worst for wear
          > like Klemp! ROFLMAO!
          >
          > I'm told he was still in
          > pain at the seminar, but
          > fought through it for his
          > chelas. What's both funny
          > and sad is that he's simply
          > experiencing what his
          > followers experience, but
          > they don't use excuses.
          > It's called life! Plus, Klemp
          > has the best health care
          > money can buy!
          >
          > Prometheus
          >
          >
          > Russ wrote:
          > I heard from an eck friend, the HK was in the hospital for 30 days with a broken hip. As anyone heard about this?
          >
          > I can hear the jokes this will generate. I guess his reality is a bit 'cracked'.
          >
          > but seriously folks...
          >
          >
          >
          > Prometheus wrote:
          >
          > Hello Etznab and All,
          > It is interesting that Phil
          > Morimitsu's books are
          > no longer available and
          > that Klemp doesn't permit
          > other EKists to have their
          > more profound stories
          > of experiences printed
          > since these could possibly
          > be seen as a challenge
          > to his authority.
          >
          > Some EKists think Klemp
          > should have stepped down
          > long ago and that his EMR
          > illness (circa 1990) was
          > a "nudge" by the ECK for
          > him to acknowledge. Instead,
          > HK used his illnesses to
          > create the story about
          > being a "holding tank for
          > (the) Karma" of his chelas.
          >
          > Prometheus
          >
          > Etznab wrote:
          >
          > They got reports? Hmm ... then maybe I should send in a report? :)
          >
          > I could give other examples where it looks like Eckankar is interested
          > in stories from other people, including what people found by research.
          > Apparently though, the LEM. isn't going to simply look at the Eck-Vidya
          > and share answers to all of the questions people have. At the same time
          > though, it looks like people pick and choose from all the information
          > only what "THEY WANT" the facts to be and put the rest under the rug.
          >
          > If one disregards the reported facts written by Paul Twitchell
          > concerning his meetings, encounters, and relationships with Eck Masters
          > then where does it leave you? In Never Never Land with Peter Pan and
          > Tinker Bell, etc.? (Hey look! He's playing a flute!)
          >
          > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland
          >
          > Are "spiritual experiences", the "stories" (and the stories that people
          > send in) somehow more REAL than factual accounts which can be
          > researched and verified? Or, Are "spiritual experiences" sometimes used
          > as a label for anything a person wants to be true? Iow, does the land
          > of make believe trump the actual facts? This is what it comes down to,
          > IMO.
          >

        • prometheus_973
          Hello Janice, Yes, upon reaching the 5th initiation one, supposedly, becomes free of Karma... except for daily Karma since consciousness, they claim, is won
          Message 4 of 7 , May 9, 2012
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            Hello Janice,
            Yes, upon reaching
            the 5th initiation one,
            supposedly, becomes
            free of Karma... except
            for daily Karma since
            consciousness, they
            claim, is won and/or
            lost moment-to-moment.
            Of course, the Catch-22,
            for Klemp, is that this
            same law of consciousness
            applies to himself as
            well.

            Anyway, that's the EK dogma.
            Of course, one really has to
            be a 6th before they can claim
            to have completed all of the
            requirements of the 5th Plane
            since the outer initiation is
            the "final" stage.

            Prometheus

            Janice wrote:
            Is it really the case that
            high initiates are considered
            karma free and if so at what
            level is this supposed to be
            true? I never heard that one
            before.


            Prometheus wrote:

            Here's more that I found
            on the Internet via Google:

            Linda. "It was an amazing talk
            about living and giving divine
            love to all life regardless of our
            circumstances. Harold Klemp
            fell and broke his hip earlier
            this year."

            Reflections of Soul
            â€"Sri Harold Klemp. The Spiritual
            Leader of ECKANKAR recently
            broke his hip during a skiing
            accident. He said he remembered
            to sing... [Ted Nugent's Stranglehold.
            He was delirious!]

            Does breaking one's hip during
            a ski outing sound like it was
            related to being a "Holding
            Tank for Karma" or from being
            inattentive and lacking experience?

            Thus, if Klemp trips because
            he's not paying attention and
            stubs his toe is this, too, due
            to the Karma of his chelas?

            BTW- If HK gets a flat tire, is
            that the fault of his chelas too?
            How much blame and guilt
            can chelas handle? Oh, one
            more thing, since H.I.s are
            karma free I'm assuming
            that Klemp is taking on the
            karma of the lower initiates
            only... right?

            Prometheus

            prometheus_wrote:
            >
            > Hello Russ and All,
            > Maybe that Karma was
            > getting too heavy and
            > his human hip couldn't
            > handle the load? Maybe
            > HK lost his balance while
            > carrying all that karma
            > down the stairs? I'm thinking
            > he set the karma down,
            > and forgot where he put
            > it, and, then, tripped over
            > it!
            >
            > Yes, Klemp fell and broke
            > his hip and needed to have
            > a replacement. Of course
            > he used the same old "Holding
            > Tank for Karma" excuse.
            >
            > I don't see why HK didn't
            > just heal himself. WWRD?
            > What Would Rebazar Do?
            > I doubt that the fake RT
            > has a fake hip. He's as
            > perfect as a lie can be
            > and is 500 years old...
            > he's been a "holding
            > tank for karma" too but
            > isn't the worst for wear
            > like Klemp! ROFLMAO!
            >
            > I'm told he was still in
            > pain at the seminar, but
            > fought through it for his
            > chelas. What's both funny
            > and sad is that he's simply
            > experiencing what his
            > followers experience, but
            > they don't use excuses.
            > It's called life! Plus, Klemp
            > has the best health care
            > money can buy!
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            >
            > Russ wrote:
            > I heard from an eck friend, the HK was in the hospital for 30 days with a broken hip. As anyone heard about this?
            >
            > I can hear the jokes this will generate. I guess his reality is a bit 'cracked'.
            >
            > but seriously folks...
            >
            >
            >
            > Prometheus wrote:
            >
            > Hello Etznab and All,
            > It is interesting that Phil
            > Morimitsu's books are
            > no longer available and
            > that Klemp doesn't permit
            > other EKists to have their
            > more profound stories
            > of experiences printed
            > since these could possibly
            > be seen as a challenge
            > to his authority.
            >
            > Some EKists think Klemp
            > should have stepped down
            > long ago and that his EMR
            > illness (circa 1990) was
            > a "nudge" by the ECK for
            > him to acknowledge. Instead,
            > HK used his illnesses to
            > create the story about
            > being a "holding tank for
            > (the) Karma" of his chelas.
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            > Etznab wrote:
            >
            > They got reports? Hmm ... then maybe I should send in a report? :)
            >
            > I could give other examples where it looks like Eckankar is interested
            > in stories from other people, including what people found by research.
            > Apparently though, the LEM. isn't going to simply look at the Eck-Vidya
            > and share answers to all of the questions people have. At the same time
            > though, it looks like people pick and choose from all the information
            > only what "THEY WANT" the facts to be and put the rest under the rug.
            >
            > If one disregards the reported facts written by Paul Twitchell
            > concerning his meetings, encounters, and relationships with Eck Masters
            > then where does it leave you? In Never Never Land with Peter Pan and
            > Tinker Bell, etc.? (Hey look! He's playing a flute!)
            >
            > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland
            >
            > Are "spiritual experiences", the "stories" (and the stories that people
            > send in) somehow more REAL than factual accounts which can be
            > researched and verified? Or, Are "spiritual experiences" sometimes used
            > as a label for anything a person wants to be true? Iow, does the land
            > of make believe trump the actual facts? This is what it comes down to,
            > IMO.
          • Janice Pfeiffer
            So, supposedly karma from past lives has been dealt with but a person can slip and cause more karma in the present or future and there fore needs a master to
            Message 5 of 7 , May 9, 2012
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              So, supposedly karma from past lives has been dealt with but a person can slip and cause more karma in the present or future and there fore needs a master to lead them to be assured that they don't.  So then, it must be all those low life chelas below the big five initiation causing klemps over load and those are the ones to blame for his accident and hip replacement.  Seems to me  klemp while excusing his actions, saying it is due to all that heavy karma he is carrying for those unappreciative chelas, he is really laying a heavy guilt trip on those people who have done nothing but pay his bills.  What a crock of crap.  Thank you for clearing that up for me.  It helps explain all the arrogance I saw in higher initiates.

              --- On Wed, 5/9/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:

              From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
              Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Yes, Klemp Had A Hip Replacement
              To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 6:04 PM

               
              Hello Janice,
              Yes, upon reaching
              the 5th initiation one,
              supposedly, becomes
              free of Karma... except
              for daily Karma since
              consciousness, they
              claim, is won and/or
              lost moment-to-moment.
              Of course, the Catch-22,
              for Klemp, is that this
              same law of consciousness
              applies to himself as
              well.

              Anyway, that's the EK dogma.
              Of course, one really has to
              be a 6th before they can claim
              to have completed all of the
              requirements of the 5th Plane
              since the outer initiation is
              the "final" stage.

              Prometheus

              Janice wrote:
              Is it really the case that
              high initiates are considered
              karma free and if so at what
              level is this supposed to be
              true? I never heard that one
              before.

              Prometheus wrote:

              Here's more that I found
              on the Internet via Google:

              Linda. "It was an amazing talk
              about living and giving divine
              love to all life regardless of our
              circumstances. Harold Klemp
              fell and broke his hip earlier
              this year."

              Reflections of Soul
              â€"Sri Harold Klemp. The Spiritual
              Leader of ECKANKAR recently
              broke his hip during a skiing
              accident. He said he remembered
              to sing... [Ted Nugent's Stranglehold.
              He was delirious!]

              Does breaking one's hip during
              a ski outing sound like it was
              related to being a "Holding
              Tank for Karma" or from being
              inattentive and lacking experience?

              Thus, if Klemp trips because
              he's not paying attention and
              stubs his toe is this, too, due
              to the Karma of his chelas?

              BTW- If HK gets a flat tire, is
              that the fault of his chelas too?
              How much blame and guilt
              can chelas handle? Oh, one
              more thing, since H.I.s are
              karma free I'm assuming
              that Klemp is taking on the
              karma of the lower initiates
              only... right?

              Prometheus

              prometheus_wrote:
              >
              > Hello Russ and All,
              > Maybe that Karma was
              > getting too heavy and
              > his human hip couldn't
              > handle the load? Maybe
              > HK lost his balance while
              > carrying all that karma
              > down the stairs? I'm thinking
              > he set the karma down,
              > and forgot where he put
              > it, and, then, tripped over
              > it!
              >
              > Yes, Klemp fell and broke
              > his hip and needed to have
              > a replacement. Of course
              > he used the same old "Holding
              > Tank for Karma" excuse.
              >
              > I don't see why HK didn't
              > just heal himself. WWRD?
              > What Would Rebazar Do?
              > I doubt that the fake RT
              > has a fake hip. He's as
              > perfect as a lie can be
              > and is 500 years old...
              > he's been a "holding
              > tank for karma" too but
              > isn't the worst for wear
              > like Klemp! ROFLMAO!
              >
              > I'm told he was still in
              > pain at the seminar, but
              > fought through it for his
              > chelas. What's both funny
              > and sad is that he's simply
              > experiencing what his
              > followers experience, but
              > they don't use excuses.
              > It's called life! Plus, Klemp
              > has the best health care
              > money can buy!
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              >
              > Russ wrote:
              > I heard from an eck friend, the HK was in the hospital for 30 days with a broken hip. As anyone heard about this?
              >
              > I can hear the jokes this will generate. I guess his reality is a bit 'cracked'.
              >
              > but seriously folks...
              >
              >
              >
              > Prometheus wrote:
              >
              > Hello Etznab and All,
              > It is interesting that Phil
              > Morimitsu's books are
              > no longer available and
              > that Klemp doesn't permit
              > other EKists to have their
              > more profound stories
              > of experiences printed
              > since these could possibly
              > be seen as a challenge
              > to his authority.
              >
              > Some EKists think Klemp
              > should have stepped down
              > long ago and that his EMR
              > illness (circa 1990) was
              > a "nudge" by the ECK for
              > him to acknowledge. Instead,
              > HK used his illnesses to
              > create the story about
              > being a "holding tank for
              > (the) Karma" of his chelas.
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              > Etznab wrote:
              >
              > They got reports? Hmm ... then maybe I should send in a report? :)
              >
              > I could give other examples where it looks like Eckankar is interested
              > in stories from other people, including what people found by research.
              > Apparently though, the LEM. isn't going to simply look at the Eck-Vidya
              > and share answers to all of the questions people have. At the same time
              > though, it looks like people pick and choose from all the information
              > only what "THEY WANT" the facts to be and put the rest under the rug.
              >
              > If one disregards the reported facts written by Paul Twitchell
              > concerning his meetings, encounters, and relationships with Eck Masters
              > then where does it leave you? In Never Never Land with Peter Pan and
              > Tinker Bell, etc.? (Hey look! He's playing a flute!)
              >
              > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland
              >
              > Are "spiritual experiences", the "stories" (and the stories that people
              > send in) somehow more REAL than factual accounts which can be
              > researched and verified? Or, Are "spiritual experiences" sometimes used
              > as a label for anything a person wants to be true? Iow, does the land
              > of make believe trump the actual facts? This is what it comes down to,
              > IMO.

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