Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Why Doesn't Klemp Offer Annual Reports?
Thank you Prometheus _973 for clarifying some about how eckankar finances work. You told me a lot more than I knew before. The problem I have with removing nonprofit status from most Christian churches is that a lot of them do charity work. A lot of them actively give back to the community where as eckankar and scientology and others that are considered cults don't do anything but rake in the money with out any benefit going to the community or to even members. I know there are good people in eckankar. I know they are not able to see that they are being used to make the elites in eckankar more wealthy. But it is obvious that eckankar only does what glorifies eckankar. They don't feed the hungry, house the homeless, or provide any assistance of a material kind to those in need at all. I know churches that do help the communities. To me that is the difference between a real non profit org and one that just uses the status to fool people into donating their, money and time toward roping other people in. I have seen some non profit orgs that spend only a small portion of the money that is donated to the actual work they are supposed to be doing while they give fat bonuses to their executives. These things should be stopped too. If a group is truly a non profit org then it should run strictly on donated time and money. Once you hire paid executives, the real work is second to big salaries. I know orgs have to have a system of order and administrative duties are needed but there are always people who are willing to serve when they believe in a cause. Nonprofit status is easily used to cover up greed. I just feel that it isn't done by all. In this time when the economy is so bad, there are a lot of people in need and there are orgs working to meet those needs. Maybe more stringent requirements are needed by the government to define what is a nonprofit org. I believe the first requirement is that they should be benefiting others more than their own organizational needs. In fact, I think that is about the only thing that should allow an org to be called a nonprofit. That's my humble opinion anyway. Thanks
--- On Wed, 2/15/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Why Doesn't Klemp Offer Annual Reports?
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 11:42 PMHello Janice and All,
Maybe if the IRS heard from enough
ex eckist about how they were scammed,
losing their nonprofit status might
ME: IMO-Scamming has nothing to
do with Eckankar losing its non-profit
status because all religions are scams
and are protected by law. However,
the IRS could be notified of certain
improprieties that would jeopardize
them as a non-profit org.
I don't have a problem with more
traditional churches having nonprofit
status because most don't sell books
and charge fees for every little thing.
ME: I have a problem with all churches!
They all have their money making ploys
and twist the truth. Some, simply, rely
on donations more than book sales,
lessons and retreats like the "New Age"
scammers tend to do.
I was in long enough to see that in
eckankar you are expected to pay for
everything including the introductory
books that are handed out free to
ME: In Catholic school they would
have jars with the names of those
running for class offices. A penny
was a vote and the Church kept the
All I can say is anytime you want to
start a petition concerning eckankar
nonprofit status to send to IRS, you
can count on my signature for sure.
ME: Thanks, but I'll pass on
any petition. Just sharing
some of the nonsense we
experienced firsthand might
be enough for some Eckists
to wake up, open their eyes,
connect-the-dots and smell
the coffee (or tea) once again!
I freely admit that I would like to
see Minneapolis get a little "payback"
for all the damage I feel they have
caused everyone who served their
ME: Time is the great equalizer!
Unlike the fictional and immortal
Rebazar... Gail (whatever her last
name is now) and the Klemps' will
pay! Peter too!
When has eckankar ever done
anything that wasn't for directly
benefiting eckankar corp?
ME: Well, locally and individually
there are some well meaning
people and this includes those
staffers at the ESC. They're deluded,
of course, but they've been tricked
into believing the hype. It makes
one feel good and it's fun to pretend!
I read ford Johnson's book and
it was very enlightening but I don't
recall him divulging anything to do
with the finances either.
ME: A RESA only knows of what's
happening in their region, unless,
HK or Peter throws some tid-bits
or scraps their way in order to
make them feel special and trusted.
Of course, they do share and
discuss info with other RESAs.
Locally, each Satsang Society has
it's own bank account. These used
to be higher amounts, $50,000
more or less, and the local CFO
would invest some of the money
in short term bonds etc. so that
this could be used for operating
costs and special events. Now,
however, the Satsang Societies
are instructed to send "surplus"
money to the ESC, annually, and
to maintain lower balances in their
treasuries. Most local Eckists don't
realize that all of the ECK Center's
furniture, TVs, DVRs, pictures,
books (even those they paid for
and display), etc. and all of the
money that their local Satsang
Society possesses belongs to
He [Ford] was probably in a position
to know a lot about those things
or at least I would think so.
ME: Like I said, I doubt that Ford
knew where the bodies were buried.
Only the CFO, and the accountants,
along with Peter, Joan, and Harold
know where and how much money
there is. I'm sure that Klemp doesn't
receive a huge paycheck but that's
simply a smoke screen. When looking
at properties, health care benefits,
retirement, his expense account
and other perks (not counting Joan's
and Peter's) there's probably a lot
of money hidden away offshore.
Hello Janice and All,
I'd like to see all religions
and their properties taxed.
Treat them like every other
There can be no separation
of church and state when
the state is not treating
churches equally with other
businesses and is, thus,
giving them special protections
and privileges. Most of these
are, simply, money making
scams. Politicians and Preachers!
One reason Eckankar moved
to MN is because non-profits
in CA are required to publicly
divulge their financial records.
Still, even though Eckankar
isn't required to divulge their
financial records it's still the
right thing to do. Really! Why
Yes, I'd like to see Eckankar
lose its non-profit status.
Actually, they could. The
Annual Membership Donation
Fee is tied into Initiations
because one has to be up-
to-date (current) in order
to advance. Therefore, one
is paying a set fee for both
a "spiritual" service and
a product (a membership)
but they are calling it a
The H.I. Letter and The Mystic
World are Tangible Products
that are being sold with the
Required Cost for the ECK
Membership. Thus, Eckankar
memberships now become
For Profit "fees" because one
is paying a set price for
tangible products that are
tax free. Anything less than
the fixed price will not buy
the product, thus, it's not
Donations, under law, cannot
be set or fixed amounts. Any
amount given (not required)
qualifies for what is called a
And, when there are strings
attached this brings into
question their non-profit
status let alone their "spiritual"
mission as a valid religion.
But what's "valid" for a religion?
Sometimes a donation is referred
to as a "donation from the heart"
because there is no fixed amount
and it's freely given out of love.
This is not the case with Eckankar's
Membership "Donation." It's a
However, there are other areas
such as the Missionary or Building
Fund where Donations are given
in non-set amounts and where it
is clear that the money is freely
given (with no strings attached)
as a donation.
But, the same does not apply
to paying for those Major and
Regional Seminar Sessions.
The cost of attending is supposed
to be a "donation" but Eckankar
Requires a Fixed (donation)
Fee or else you don't get in.
This is the same with the
annual memberships! You
pay the fixed price/fee in
order to retain your membership
and initiations and to advance
and to receive your H.I. Letter
and Mystic World.
Sure, they call it a "donation"
but this is just another lie!
Both of these practices violates
the non-profit requirements
involving donations versus fees.
Anywho, maybe one of the
local Christian churches in
Chanhassen will be tipped
off to this abnormality and
file a suit or report them
to the IRS in order to have
the cancer invading them
What's really funny is that
after so many years Eckists
just rationalize more and
more away. Everyone knows
that Membership and Seminar
Fees are Not Donations.
Eckists know to call it a
donation and to pretend
that it is, but it's a lie and
everyone knows it. Well, not
everyone. Many leaders and
non-leaders turn a Blind Eye
to this and to other lies...
it's what they have to do
to maintain their belief...
the illusion of "as if."
Very good point prometheus_973.
Most non profits do but then
again eckankar is far from
being non profit even if they
have that status with the government
as far as taxes.
I would like to see all like them
lose there non profit status but
to do so would probably cause
all churches to lose theirs.
At least they should be required
to do the annual report. I am
wondering what kind of documentation
if any orgs like that have to
submit to the government
annually or if after they have
the non profit status they are
exempt from any paper work
I don't know that much about
it but it might be worthy of
I recall that Klemp
has stated that he
was Lutheran and
private school and
was in Seminary for
two years. I believe
he said he was in
the Missouri Synod
or was it the smaller
Anyway, it's interesting
and which synod they
belong to. Plus, there
are regional synods
in each state!
My point? It's rather
easy to find their
annual reports on
the Internet. They
make these public
and list names and
charities and other
Why doesn't Klemp
offer Annual Reports
It's very strange that
Annual Reports aren't
even available to card
holding Eckists who
pay an Annual Membership
Really! If not to the
public, as there should
be, why not for EK
It really points out
that Klemp is hiding
something. Now, he'd
probably twist it around
and say something like,
"If you question things
this shows you don't
fully trust the Mahanta,
and therefore, this is
why you fail with your
Spiritual Exercises and
fail in life and fail to
achieve a higher consciousness
that is expressed via
the outer initiations...
As I've said before...
Eckankar is a trap
and the "test" is to
see the TRUTH and
the reality of this!