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  • Russ Rodnick
    What has piqued my interest is the question of how the Eckankar money has been invested. Ii guess HK/PS have total control the board being made of straw and
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 29, 2012
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      What has piqued my interest is the question of how the Eckankar money has been invested. Ii guess HK/PS have total control the board being made of straw and rubber stamps serving at his pleasure. What does HK do in his leasure? Running eckaankar doesnlt seem to difficult a job. Where is all the $?

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      On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM PST prometheus_973 wrote:

      >Recently I saw a current
      >photo of Klemp and was
      >alarmed at how different
      >he looked compared to
      >the other, more youthful,
      >pictures he provides.
      >
      >Harry's hair is white!
      >
      >Yet, I've noticed that HK
      >still uses his 12 year old
      >photo as his "official photo"
      >where his hair is darker.
      >
      >And, Klemp is using this
      >older more youthful photo
      >for publicity with his newest
      >book "A Modern Prophet
      >Answers Your Key Questions
      >about Life, Book 2."
      >
      >The irony is that these
      >are supposed to be Questions
      >and Answers for "current
      >times." Why, then, doesn't
      >Klemp use a current photo
      >instead of a older one that
      >gives the illusion of someone
      >younger?
      >
      >Why can't Klemp be honest
      >for once?
      >
      >But, why start now... right?
      >
      >In truth, Klemp is vain and
      >rather than dye his hair and
      >be too obvious he simply
      >edits!
      >
      >BTW- Klemp really needs
      >to bleach more of his teeth.
      >The four front uppers just
      >aren't enough! Yellow stains
      >are showing on the rest and
      >it's not a pretty picture! It
      >would seem that he's unaware
      >of the obvious contrast and
      >that it's very noticeable. Then,
      >again, he doesn't get out much,
      >and who would have the nerve
      >to give the "Mahanta" any advice?
      >
      >Prometheus
      >
      >
    • Janice Pfeiffer
      I remember when I was in how he blamed all his health problems on all his chelas.  We were all supposed to feel guilty because he was carrying all of us.  I
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 29, 2012
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        I remember when I was in how he blamed all his health problems on all his chelas.  We were all supposed to feel guilty because he was carrying all of us.  I saw that newer picture too.  Being the living eck master, I guess he doesn't want to show the affects of aging.  After all he is supposed to be a super human with unlimited powers.  Wonder what excuse he would give for looking so bad if he were asked.  I guess it is the weight of all those chelas again.
         
        As far as the business angle, all those dues and book sales are probably lining the administrators pockets. 
         
        I get tired of reading about the abuses by Scientology of it's people and I must say I am glad some of its ex members are starting to sue.
         
        I don't believe orgs such as Scientology and Eckankar should enjoy non profit status because they are only making money off the backs of its members.  I regret every dollar I put into eckankar.
         
        If I come across people who are ready to sue eckankar because of the lies and deceit I would go with it.  After all this time, I am still angry about the deception.  They mislead new people big time and it is wrong.  All that secret talk yet they are now advertising openly on TV. 
         
        Why shouldn't the new people know from the start about how the initiations come about.  It took me about 5 years to hear that bit of truth and then the area managers didn't want to discuss it with me when I asked.  Instead I got yelled at for asking.  Yep wish some one would start a class action suit.  I guess that would add to klemps gray hairs.
         


        --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Russ Rodnick <russrodnick@...> wrote:

        From: Russ Rodnick <russrodnick@...>
        Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Klemp's Current Appearance Is Alarming!
        To: eckankarsurvivorsanonymous@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 6:34 PM

         


        What has piqued my interest is the question of how the Eckankar money has been invested. Ii guess HK/PS have total control the board being made of straw and rubber stamps serving at his pleasure. What does HK do in his leasure? Running eckaankar doesnlt seem to difficult a job. Where is all the $?

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        On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM PST prometheus_973 wrote:

        >Recently I saw a current
        >photo of Klemp and was
        >alarmed at how different
        >he looked compared to
        >the other, more youthful,
        >pictures he provides.
        >
        >Harry's hair is white!
        >
        >Yet, I've noticed that HK
        >still uses his 12 year old
        >photo as his "official photo"
        >where his hair is darker.
        >
        >And, Klemp is using this
        >older more youthful photo
        >for publicity with his newest
        >book "A Modern Prophet
        >Answers Your Key Questions
        >about Life, Book 2."
        >
        >The irony is that these
        >are supposed to be Questions
        >and Answers for "current
        >times." Why, then, doesn't
        >Klemp use a current photo
        >instead of a older one that
        >gives the illusion of someone
        >younger?
        >
        >Why can't Klemp be honest
        >for once?
        >
        >But, why start now... right?
        >
        >In truth, Klemp is vain and
        >rather than dye his hair and
        >be too obvious he simply
        >edits!
        >
        >BTW- Klemp really needs
        >to bleach more of his teeth.
        >The four front uppers just
        >aren't enough! Yellow stains
        >are showing on the rest and
        >it's not a pretty picture! It
        >would seem that he's unaware
        >of the obvious contrast and
        >that it's very noticeable. Then,
        >again, he doesn't get out much,
        >and who would have the nerve
        >to give the "Mahanta" any advice?
        >
        >Prometheus
        >
        >

      • prometheus_973
        Hello Russ and All, Actually, Peter, as president, doesn t have any control of Eckankar except on a limited scale and it s what Klemp gives to him. Klemp has
        Message 3 of 4 , Jan 29, 2012
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          Hello Russ and All,
          Actually, Peter, as
          president, doesn't
          have any control
          of Eckankar except
          on a limited scale
          and it's what Klemp
          gives to him.

          Klemp has total power
          to hire and fire over
          anyone and everyone,
          although, I'm sure that
          he's given Peter and
          even Joan some authority
          as well. It's trickle down...
          (shit rolls downhill).

          Klemp had his Board
          rewrite the By-laws
          so that the president
          wouldn't be running
          things as it did with
          Darwin as president.
          Thus, the LEM/Mahanta
          now had total power
          after Darwin was booted.

          Plus, Klemp stated
          long ago that Eckankar
          is a hierarchy and not
          a democracy.

          I've read that Peter
          has a condo in the
          Tampa area and
          I've heard that the
          Klemp's use it as
          well. I'm sure that
          there's other property
          owned by Eckankar
          and used by a few
          of the EK elite.

          Peter knows where
          the money is hidden
          and this fact provides
          him with job security.

          Plus, church property
          would be tax free and
          could be listed as retreats.

          It's hard to tell what
          the Klemp's do and
          where they go. Cruises
          and fancy trips to
          private islands for
          the wealthy... maybe?
          This could easily be
          a tax write off for HK,
          especially, while working
          on another book.

          My guess is that when
          they are home they
          occasionally hang
          out at the mall in Eden
          Prairie.

          Prometheus



          Russ Rodnick wrote:
          What has piqued my
          interest is the question
          of how the Eckankar
          money has been invested.

          I guess HK/PS have
          total control the
          board being made
          of straw and rubber
          stamps serving at
          his pleasure.

          What does HK do
          in his leasure?

          Running eckaankar
          doesnlt seem to
          difficult a job.

          Where is all the $?

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          prometheus wrote:

          >Recently I saw a current
          >photo of Klemp and was
          >alarmed at how different
          >he looked compared to
          >the other, more youthful,
          >pictures he provides.
          >
          >Harry's hair is white!
          >
          >Yet, I've noticed that HK
          >still uses his 12 year old
          >photo as his "official photo"
          >where his hair is darker.
          >
          >And, Klemp is using this
          >older more youthful photo
          >for publicity with his newest
          >book "A Modern Prophet
          >Answers Your Key Questions
          >about Life, Book 2."
          >
          >The irony is that these
          >are supposed to be Questions
          >and Answers for "current
          >times." Why, then, doesn't
          >Klemp use a current photo
          >instead of a older one that
          >gives the illusion of someone
          >younger?
          >
          >Why can't Klemp be honest
          >for once?
          >
          >But, why start now... right?
          >
          >In truth, Klemp is vain and
          >rather than dye his hair and
          >be too obvious he simply
          >edits!
          >
          >BTW- Klemp really needs
          >to bleach more of his teeth.
          >The four front uppers just
          >aren't enough! Yellow stains
          >are showing on the rest and
          >it's not a pretty picture! It
          >would seem that he's unaware
          >of the obvious contrast and
          >that it's very noticeable. Then,
          >again, he doesn't get out much,
          >and who would have the nerve
          >to give the "Mahanta" any advice?
          >
          >Prometheus
          >
        • prometheus_973
          Hello Janice and All, True. As the holding tank of/for karma Klemp, the LEM/Mahanta, always shifted blame for residual karmic effects upon the Eckists. Klemp
          Message 4 of 4 , Jan 30, 2012
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            Hello Janice and All,
            True. As the "holding
            tank of/for karma" Klemp,
            the LEM/Mahanta, always
            shifted blame for residual
            karmic effects upon the
            Eckists. Klemp never did
            his part which was obvious
            from all of their health
            problems.

            The "holding tank" ploy
            was simply to explain
            away his health problems...
            like with EMF/EMR, halitosis,
            bad back, etc., etc..

            Actually, the EMF thing
            was a fear tactic ploy to
            keep Eckists away from
            their computers and away
            from sites such as this one.
            It's an extension of the K.I.S.S.
            method (btw-the last "S"
            Does stand for Stupid and
            not Soul as eckies might
            want to believe).

            Plus, and here's the bonus,
            the "holding tank for karma"
            ploy also makes Klemp seem
            like a super God-like hero,
            and martyr, ready to make
            the sacrifices needed for
            his flock.

            HK's chelas, now, must also
            make sacrifices with servitude
            and coin to return the favor.

            HK's spin is that his poor
            health and rapid aging
            isn't because he's just like
            us... it's because the inflow/
            outflow of EK to/for his
            chelas is having a negative
            effect upon his physical
            body. Poor little Harry!
            But, What Did Rebazar Do
            (WDRD) to alleviate the
            same residual effects of
            being a "holding tank of
            karma" for his chelas?

            Oh, okay. RT had fewer
            chelas. Yes, but life was
            tougher then right? World
            Consciousness was much
            lower, thus, RT had more
            and harsher karmic effects
            to deal with! But look at
            him! After 500 plus years
            Rebazar looks better, now,
            than Klemp does today!

            Prometheus




            Janice wrote:
            I remember when I was in how he blamed all his health problems on all his chelas. We were all supposed to feel guilty because he was carrying all of us. I saw that newer picture too. Being the living eck master, I guess he doesn't want to show the affects of aging. After all he is supposed to be a super human with unlimited powers. Wonder what excuse he would give for looking so bad if he were asked. I guess it is the weight of all those chelas again.

            As far as the business angle, all those dues and book sales are probably lining the administrators pockets.

            I get tired of reading about the abuses by Scientology of it's people and I must say I am glad some of its ex members are starting to sue.

            I don't believe orgs such as Scientology and Eckankar should enjoy non profit status because they are only making money off the backs of its members. I regret every dollar I put into eckankar.

            If I come across people who are ready to sue eckankar because of the lies and deceit I would go with it. After all this time, I am still angry about the deception. They mislead new people big time and it is wrong. All that secret talk yet they are now advertising openly on TV.

            Why shouldn't the new people know from the start about how the initiations come about. It took me about 5 years to hear that bit of truth and then the area managers didn't want to discuss it with me when I asked. Instead I got yelled at for asking. Yep wish some one would start a class action suit. I guess that would add to klemps gray hairs.



            Russ wrote:

            What has piqued my
            interest is the question
            of how the Eckankar
            money has been invested.

            I guess HK/PS have total
            control the board being
            made of straw and rubber
            stamps serving at his pleasure.

            What does HK do in his leasure?
            Running eckaankar doesnlt
            seem to difficult a job.

            Where is all the $?

            ------------------------------
            prometheus wrote:

            >Recently I saw a current
            >photo of Klemp and was
            >alarmed at how different
            >he looked compared to
            >the other, more youthful,
            >pictures he provides.
            >
            >Harry's hair is white!
            >
            >Yet, I've noticed that HK
            >still uses his 12 year old
            >photo as his "official photo"
            >where his hair is darker.
            >
            >And, Klemp is using this
            >older more youthful photo
            >for publicity with his newest
            >book "A Modern Prophet
            >Answers Your Key Questions
            >about Life, Book 2."
            >
            >The irony is that these
            >are supposed to be Questions
            >and Answers for "current
            >times." Why, then, doesn't
            >Klemp use a current photo
            >instead of a older one that
            >gives the illusion of someone
            >younger?
            >
            >Why can't Klemp be honest
            >for once?
            >
            >But, why start now... right?
            >
            >In truth, Klemp is vain and
            >rather than dye his hair and
            >be too obvious he simply
            >edits!
            >
            >BTW- Klemp really needs
            >to bleach more of his teeth.
            >The four front uppers just
            >aren't enough! Yellow stains
            >are showing on the rest and
            >it's not a pretty picture! It
            >would seem that he's unaware
            >of the obvious contrast and
            >that it's very noticeable. Then,
            >again, he doesn't get out much,
            >and who would have the nerve
            >to give the "Mahanta" any advice?
            >
            >Prometheus
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