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  • Tyson
    It is a fallacy that in order to have contact with the holy spirit(Bhajan) that you nead a living spiritual master(guru). It is probably easier to learn from a
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 13, 2012
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      It is a fallacy that in order to have contact with the holy spirit(Bhajan) that you nead a living spiritual master(guru). It is probably easier to learn from a guru than to follow a past master. Older religions get steeped in superstitous dogma so it is hard to discern what was actually from said master and what is from the effects of clergy and others limited perceptions. A true guru is helpful but never stands in the way of spiritual growth. Those that truly seek God will eventually have experiences with the Shabd,Bhajan,Celestial sound current. With or with out a master. Many who study books such as the Guru Granth Sahib do not have a living master. They still can have contact with SatNam as long as they concentrate on the spiritual eye and empty there cup of things of the world.First our cup must be emptied of the non-essential so that it may be filled. The trap of most religions is the us and not them theme of them all. Our words,prayers,practices,books and titles are the truth and yours are inferior. This theme is found in nearly all the religions. The underlying spirit of Truth,Life,and all that is,Is the One. Some call this spirit Ek Ong Kar. It is not about words and names. To transcend the world and eventually soul comes to the understanding that this One permeates all things,Everything is exactly the way it is meant to be in this moment. Bad and Good are of the mind thus are of individual perception. Soul knows rather than percieves. God is not a fixed point anywere. So how can any soul be closer than another? Some are more awake than others and those that sleep each dream different dreams. Like the Tao God just Is and words only lead to ideas. It can never truly be known by the words of the mind.
    • prometheus_973
      Hello All, This seemed relevant so I thought I d repost it with comments below. Another cult follower from the PT Fan Club: Many people join paths [Eckankar]
      Message 2 of 2 , Feb 8, 2012
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        Hello All,
        This seemed relevant
        so I thought I'd repost
        it with comments below.



        Another cult follower from the PT Fan Club:

        "Many people join paths [Eckankar]
        that say they offer God Realization
        and then don't really offer it at all.
        All talk and no action.

        99% of the people out there are not
        ready for a true path to God Realization
        which is AKATHA.

        It's only purpose is spiritual Mastership
        and God Realization and not spiritual
        fluff and distractions.

        Only one percent [the very rich or Hell's Angels?]
        are ready because they want God more then they
        want their bagage, their status, opinions, dogma,
        personality worship, safety of their fixed thought
        patterns, argumentative thoughts, etc.

        But even if they are ready they have to take
        initiative, practice spiritual exercises and
        it takes time to build up to having experiences
        of (soul travel).

        Soul Travel is so important! One can get
        no where very fast without soul travel.

        In golden ages everyone did soul travel."


        ME: It's amazing how these
        cults and conmen make the
        same claims and copy one
        another! Their con/sect is
        better than the replacement
        con/sect!

        They don't even know what
        "God Realization" is but, yet,
        claim they have it and you
        don't! That gives them the
        power and upper hand as
        though they "know" more
        than everyone/anyone else.
        Does this mean I should
        sign up for their courses
        rather than that Green Psych,
        NLP, or Homeopathic evaluation
        and coursework? LOL!

        "Golden ages?" There's more
        than one? Oh, that's right.
        The myth states that each
        Kalpa has one. When was
        the last Golden Age? "Spiritual
        exercises?" Really! No new
        name? " "Soul Travel" too?
        Where do we need to get to
        so fast? How "fast" does RT
        soul travel and where? Not
        on the physical plane! Why's
        that? "Personality worship"
        Don't these people worship
        their "973rd" LSM?

        I have to agree with much
        of what Tyson has said.
        Those who have awakened
        to the fact that all religion
        is unnecessary and contains
        false dogma have taken
        the first step toward finding
        pure Truth. Let's face it,
        belonging to a group of
        like minded and delusional
        believers is, especially,
        unnecessary and harmful
        as well! True, people can
        learn from one another.
        Their examples and writings
        are ways we can learn
        more about our own
        unique purpose.

        However, face-to-face
        and intimidate discussions,
        with those we personally
        know and still respect,
        especially, via daily observation
        and conversation is the
        best litmus test for having
        a spiritual confidant and
        teacher in this physical
        realm.

        Therefore, one doesn't
        have to claim to be a
        master in order to be one.
        Actually, those who claim
        mastership (even in third
        person and by testimonials)
        have forfeited it due to
        their own vanity and a lack
        of humility. Ultimately,
        we are our own teacher
        and master.

        Prometheus


        Tyson wrote:

        It is a fallacy that in order to have contact with the holy spirit (Bhajan) that you nead a living spiritual master (guru). It is probably easier to learn from a guru than to follow a past master. Older religions get steeped in superstitous dogma so it is hard to discern what was actually from said master and what is from the effects of clergy and others limited perceptions. A true guru is helpful but never stands in the way of spiritual growth. Those that truly seek God will eventually have experiences with the Shabd, Bhajan, Celestial sound current. With or with out a master. Many who study books such as the Guru Granth Sahib do not have a living master. They still can have contact with Sat Nam as long as they concentrate on the spiritual eye and empty there cup of things of the world. First our cup must be emptied of the non-essential so that it may be filled. The trap of most religions is the us and not them theme of them all. Our words, prayers, practices, books and titles are the truth and yours are inferior. This theme is found in nearly all the religions. The underlying spirit of Truth, Life, and all that is, Is the One. Some call this spirit Ek Ong Kar. It is not about words and names. To transcend the world and eventually soul comes to the understanding that this One permeates all things, Everything is exactly the way it is meant to be in this moment. Bad and Good are of the mind thus are of individual perception. Soul knows rather than percieves. God is not a fixed point anywere. So how can any soul be closer than another? Some are more awake than others and those that sleep each dream different dreams. Like the Tao God just Is and words only lead to ideas. It can never truly be known by the words of the mind.
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