Re: Klemp's ECKankar Is Non-Pacifist... Why?
Service in ekult only counts when it is service TO ekult.
The so-named 'mahanta' is one of the many psychic entities of ekult! Ekult members are constantly reminded to place their attention upon it. The concentration of these thought forces feeds and maintains the entity into being.
And when attention is withdrawn from an entity; it instantly ceases to exist!!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> Thanks for the post Non.
> I'll add my two cents worth
> "Non" wrote:
> Hi Prometheus,
> It is even more than just odd that the highest state(s) of consciousness, which
> are Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient are soo shallow. It would seem
> obvious that there is no need for violence and much room for Compassion.
> Self-defense would be a mute point. After all, if you are capable of changing
> the weather and so on then why not make it a nice happy day. But NOOOOOO, ekists
> claim that they must follow a path of noninterference and indifference. I do not
> claim any highest state of consciousness, but in my time on earth, I have
> learned, at least IMHO, that a path of destruction, arrogance, indifference
> without any sense of empathy is just plain wrong and at the very least
> unproductive. They may not necessarily be destructive overtly, but there is a
> sense of passive/aggressiveness and fake smiles.
> ME: ECKists are conflicted
> with their religious bullshit
> (dogma). It's obvious that
> people "feel" when they love
> whether it's people or pets.
> However, Eckists are instructed,
> early on, that "feelings" are
> wrong and negative and of
> the 2nd Astral Plane. But,
> "unconditional" love is, somehow,
> seen as being the highest
> form of love. Thus, non-judgmental
> love, i.e. unconditional love,
> is highly sought and is therefore
> portrayed and emulated.
> Unfortunately, ECKists don't
> see the fallacy of separating
> love and feelings and attempting
> to turn ECKists into unfeeling
> sociopathic "yes" men/women.
> Lets take one example, that of the use of religion to justify slavery. Many did
> so, causing great suffering to others and even when the slaves in the U.S. were
> freed, they were made to suffer for decades. Why aren't there any stories in ek
> lore about some ek master doing something to end the suffering of humankind or
> even animals. (Perhaps there is something I recall, about eck masters just
> hanging out observing and may step in at the last second to save the earth from
> utter destruction or some such nonsense.)
> ME: Right! Klemp has EK
> stories about this or that
> ECK Master (or the ECK)
> doing something, but it's
> all pretty much imagined,
> embellished, or distorted.
> And, the stories of these
> meetings and intercessions
> are never as good as the
> stories coming from Christians.
> I knew some EKists who
> had their embellished stories
> mentioned, on stage, by
> HK and three were printed
> in HK's Mahanta transcripts.
> I knew some of these ECkists
> well enough to know when
> they were lying. They had
> huge egos and always needed
> to be the center of attention.
> It was funny to listen to and
> see them believe that they
> were a part of the Mahanta's
> (versus the LEM's) inner
> circle. They had no respect
> for HK's RESAs or for other
> high ranking people at the
> ESC. These higher ups were
> seen more as experienced
> "administrators" and not as
> advanced, as the hanger-ons
> were, "spiritually."
> eckankar is all about power and arrogance. eckankar does not do any charitable
> work that I know of nor was it a high priority when I was a member. The highest
> priority was worship of the LEM, simply escaping the earth "ash can" to some
> other ethereal plane of existence. What then is their real understanding of
> LOVE. It is merely a concept devoid of any real feeling of the true sense of the
> word and expression. Theirs is a religion based on FEAR of AUTHORITY. It is also
> very escapist rather than engaging in making the world a better place. It's like
> a mutual admiration society studying their dogma theocracy of fraudulent facts
> and Narcissisticaly looking at themselves in there make believe dreams.
> ME: Charity begins at home...
> is probably the motto Klemp
> would use to justify his position.
> There's always an underlying
> reason for anything Eckankar
> does and it's connected to
> gaining members and making
> money via membership fees,
> donations, and merchandise
> Actually it seems like "Mahanta"
> worship is stressed more than
> LEM worship. This is, of course,
> a Black Magician slight-of-hand
> trick, or shell game, since Klemp
> is both the LEM and the Mahanta.
> Yes, Klemp is very adamant about
> Not worshipping or praying to
> him as the Living ECK Master (LEM).
> But, it's expected and encouraged,
> to pray to and worship the Mahanta!
> Yes, ECKists are instructed to dream
> of his image and to contemplate
> upon (pray) to the Mahanta (Klemp)
> for intercession and protection.
> EK Spiritual Exercises were designed
> to focus upon Klemp's picture
> (sold at ECK Centers, or by phone,
> or online at the ESC. All major
> credit cards are accepted... I'm told).
> What good did any eck master (fictional anyway) ever really do. Klemp will never
> get a Nobel Peace Prize, that's for sure.
> ME: It makes for a good story
> that's hard to disprove. People
> have seen and talked to the
> ECK Masters! Can you prove
> that they don't exist? What's
> interesting is that there's more
> evidence that Santa Claus and
> the Easter Bunny exist. Or, that
> Superman exists or that Jesus
> still exists... or existed.
> There's no record beyond
> Twitchell's works, or before
> Twitchell, naming any of the
> ECK Masters. Except, of course,
> for those Twitchell stole from
> history and other religions.
> When people want and need
> to believe and are encouraged
> to dream and to use their
> imaginations to meet with
> entities on other "planes,"
> then, of course they will "see"
> and "talk" to these guys.
> Basically, ECKists Fear Responsibility
> and their own Mastership.
> That's why they need to
> become and remain codependent
> upon Klemp.
> They won't admit to it, but
> he's got the promises via
> higher initiations, and that
> makes him the EK Messiah...
> who's not to be worshipped.
> Tell that to all of those giddy,
> cheering, enamored ECkies
> hanging onto every silly word
> when HK comes out of his
> cave and onto the stage. I've
> seen it for myself and he is
> Still, it's a schizophrenic game
> that is being played, but that's
> the goal... to confuse and distract!
> prometheus wrote:
> Hello All,
> I was wondering as to
> why a religion that claims
> to be of the "Highest
> Consciousness" anywhere,
> and for all time, and to
> be the "most direct path
> to God" doesn't practice
> pacifism/peaceful action.
> The argument could be
> that there would be no
> one left to practice their
> belief if they turned the
> other cheek and didn't
> defend themselves by
> killing their enemies
> or those of their country.
> However, the eradication
> of one's enemies isn't an
> option for pacifist religions.
> Everyday life is, of course,
> seen as a test of faith, but
> they take it a step further
> and to the next level.
> Why does ECKankar have
> the same views as other Non-
> Pacifist (violence condoning)
> And, what's really interesting
> is that these Pacifist religions,
> EACH, have more members,
> worldwide, and are more widely
> known via historical records
> than ECKankar! The Pacifists
> have a real religious history!
> "ECK" does not!
> So, one has to wonder why
> Klemp (the 14th Plane Mahanta)
> states that it's okay for ECKists
> to be members of the military.
> Is it because he was in the
> U.S. Air Force during the
> Vietnam War and that he
> enjoyed his military experience?
> And, let's not forget that
> the founder of ECKankar,
> Twitchell, was in the U.S.
> Navy during WWII and he,
> also, enjoyed the experience!
> He made it seem that he
> was a real hero!
> Here's a site that lists the
> various Pacifist religions:
> Interesting, too, that this
> topic of pacifism is yet another
> unexplored/discussed aspect
> of the ECK Teachings that is
> quickly slid in under the rug
> and is accepted by longtime
> members (H.I.s) without question.
> And, these Higher 6th & 7th
> Initiates, supposedly, have
> a "Spiritual Consciousness"
> beyond that of the *4th Plane
> God (KAL, i.e. the Devil, Satan)
> the Pacifists worship! Amazing!
> *Autobiography of a Modern
> Prophet, page 385, by Harold