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  • ctecvie
    Hello Prometheus, ... I cannot understand why those seminars are held in one place only from this year on! I guess it s because Harold doesn t want to travel.
    Message 1 of 3 , Mar 9, 2005
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      Hello Prometheus,

      > I see that there is an extention to sign-up for this March 24-27
      > seminar and that there will even be workshops at the new Eck
      > Spiritual Center... whoopee! The extention must mean that not as
      > many people are signing up as they had hoped. Even late March in
      > Minnesota can produce nasty weather. So why not choose Florida
      > instead! Too bad Harold isn't more sensitive to his followers.

      I cannot understand why those seminars are held in one place only
      from this year on! I guess it's because Harold doesn't want to
      travel. :-)) OK, the place in Chanhassen is nice, and while I still
      was an Eckist, I liked the temple very much and had a coming-home
      feeling. But I don't think I would like to travel there every year!
      It's not that nice ... :-))

      > I think back to all of the money I spent on travel, hotels, and
      food
      > at these seminars and it amazes me how much money people spend
      going
      > to these redundant events. However, it was nice to see old friends
      > and do some sight-seeing (of sorts).

      It's amazing for sure. It depends on the priorities you have. My
      husband and me sometimes went to such a seminar, but not too often.
      You just have to decide what you want. We didn't always want to have
      a seminar, though! :-) But sometimes we decided to attend one and
      then we liked it. But I know eckists who travel to Minneapolis every
      year. They don't have much money so they travel by car from Québec
      every year. It's exhausting for sure, and their health is not the
      best. But they want to do it, so they do it - each and every year. It
      always amazed me because I think there are for sure things you can do
      at home that are as spiritual as going to the worldwide?? :-)

      > I threw away
      > hundreds of dollars worth of books, discourses, pocket posters,
      > brochures, HU cards, etc. when I left one year ago. My wife and we
      > probably spent at least $30,000 in just attending seminars and
      > $3,000 on study materials and vahana stuff. This of course doesn't
      > cover the yearly donation which probably over the years totaled to
      > around $15,000 at least!

      We threw away all of our books and pictures and things, too! And
      there are still things turning up from dark corners from time to
      time! The last book I have is the leadership handbook for initiates 2-
      4. I will give that to a new eckist who needs to read it for final
      decision whether she shall stay or not. Before giving it away, I read
      it through. It's quite clear to me that the goal has been since a
      very long time ... recruiting new members. That's why this training
      was set up. It's good that I didn't get around to finish it because
      after 2 sessions I started to read Ford Johnson's book and then my
      husband and I left! :-)

      > Anyway, if anyone wants to vent some anger or frustration for the
      > years of deception and share some information or insights please
      > feel free to do so. I'm amazed at the new clarity of mind and
      > freedom I now feel from having left Eckankar. I still have some Eck
      > books and even have an Eckist friend fax me her Mystic World and
      > sometimes her H.I. Letter when I ask. When I re-read these books
      and
      > look at Paul Twitchell's or Harold's words with more clarity and
      > scrutiny I can now see the truth behind their deceptions.

      Yes the mind gets very clear, doesn't it? It's so good! And it's
      true, too, that when you read those books with your "new" eyes, the
      deceptions are quite obvious. The problem is that there's truth in
      the teaching, but it's somehow distorted and twisted - it's truth,
      and then it's not truth. That's quite confusing.

      Thanks for the site!
      Ingrid
    • mishmisha9
      Hi, Ingrid! I threw out most of my eck stuff too, but as you say some still creeps out of dark corners! I think there is a large photo of Harold in a
      Message 2 of 3 , Mar 9, 2005
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        Hi, Ingrid!

        I threw out most of my eck stuff too, but as you say some still
        creeps out of dark corners! I think there is a large photo of Harold
        in a closet--I'm thinking of using it as a dart board or something
        like it! LOL!

        Mish

        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "ctecvie"
        <ctecvie@y...> wrote:
        >
        > Hello Prometheus,
        >
        > > I see that there is an extention to sign-up for this March 24-27
        > > seminar and that there will even be workshops at the new Eck
        > > Spiritual Center... whoopee! The extention must mean that not as
        > > many people are signing up as they had hoped. Even late March in
        > > Minnesota can produce nasty weather. So why not choose Florida
        > > instead! Too bad Harold isn't more sensitive to his followers.
        >
        > I cannot understand why those seminars are held in one place only
        > from this year on! I guess it's because Harold doesn't want to
        > travel. :-)) OK, the place in Chanhassen is nice, and while I
        still
        > was an Eckist, I liked the temple very much and had a coming-home
        > feeling. But I don't think I would like to travel there every
        year!
        > It's not that nice ... :-))
        >
        > > I think back to all of the money I spent on travel, hotels, and
        > food
        > > at these seminars and it amazes me how much money people spend
        > going
        > > to these redundant events. However, it was nice to see old
        friends
        > > and do some sight-seeing (of sorts).
        >
        > It's amazing for sure. It depends on the priorities you have. My
        > husband and me sometimes went to such a seminar, but not too
        often.
        > You just have to decide what you want. We didn't always want to
        have
        > a seminar, though! :-) But sometimes we decided to attend one and
        > then we liked it. But I know eckists who travel to Minneapolis
        every
        > year. They don't have much money so they travel by car from
        Québec
        > every year. It's exhausting for sure, and their health is not the
        > best. But they want to do it, so they do it - each and every year.
        It
        > always amazed me because I think there are for sure things you can
        do
        > at home that are as spiritual as going to the worldwide?? :-)
        >
        > > I threw away
        > > hundreds of dollars worth of books, discourses, pocket posters,
        > > brochures, HU cards, etc. when I left one year ago. My wife and
        we
        > > probably spent at least $30,000 in just attending seminars and
        > > $3,000 on study materials and vahana stuff. This of course
        doesn't
        > > cover the yearly donation which probably over the years totaled
        to
        > > around $15,000 at least!
        >
        > We threw away all of our books and pictures and things, too! And
        > there are still things turning up from dark corners from time to
        > time! The last book I have is the leadership handbook for
        initiates 2-
        > 4. I will give that to a new eckist who needs to read it for final
        > decision whether she shall stay or not. Before giving it away, I
        read
        > it through. It's quite clear to me that the goal has been since a
        > very long time ... recruiting new members. That's why this
        training
        > was set up. It's good that I didn't get around to finish it
        because
        > after 2 sessions I started to read Ford Johnson's book and then my
        > husband and I left! :-)
        >
        > > Anyway, if anyone wants to vent some anger or frustration for
        the
        > > years of deception and share some information or insights please
        > > feel free to do so. I'm amazed at the new clarity of mind and
        > > freedom I now feel from having left Eckankar. I still have some
        Eck
        > > books and even have an Eckist friend fax me her Mystic World and
        > > sometimes her H.I. Letter when I ask. When I re-read these books
        > and
        > > look at Paul Twitchell's or Harold's words with more clarity and
        > > scrutiny I can now see the truth behind their deceptions.
        >
        > Yes the mind gets very clear, doesn't it? It's so good! And it's
        > true, too, that when you read those books with your "new" eyes,
        the
        > deceptions are quite obvious. The problem is that there's truth in
        > the teaching, but it's somehow distorted and twisted - it's truth,
        > and then it's not truth. That's quite confusing.
        >
        > Thanks for the site!
        > Ingrid
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