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  • prometheus_973
    Hello Diana and All, At one time Klemp tried contact lens but eventually switched back to glasses. I m told he received some criticism, from H.I.s via chelas,
    Message 1 of 21 , Nov 4, 2011
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      Hello Diana and All,
      At one time Klemp tried
      contact lens but eventually
      switched back to glasses.
      I'm told he received some
      criticism, from H.I.s via
      chelas, that contacts were
      more of a vanity issue than
      a sight/vision issue. ECKists
      can't have their mealy looking
      Mahanta project a fraudulent
      appearance because that
      would indicate other frauds
      might be taking place and
      perpetuated. LOL!

      However, I've also read that
      contacts can offer people
      better vision than glasses,
      but maybe that was just
      a slanted PR story to sell
      a product like Eckankar
      does.

      I'm assuming that this is
      why Klemp won't dye his
      hair or get hair plugs. I
      wonder what else Klemp
      does, or doesn't do, that
      is natural? Boxers, briefs,
      or commando?

      Prometheus

      dianastanley wrote:
      maybe he should try botox
      or a face lift. It would be
      a miricale that he got his
      youth back!
      Diana


      <prometheus wrote:
      >
      > Hello All,
      > This is simply more proof
      > of Eckankar's deceptions.
      >
      > It's come to my attention
      > that Klemp is still using
      > a 10-15 old photo as his
      > "Official Photo" which is
      > to be displayed at ECK
      > functions and EK Centers.
      >
      > WHY? Really, why is this
      > being done?
      >
      > Isn't Klemp comfortable
      > with his aging?
      >
      > On the front page of the
      > September, 2011 "The
      > Mystic World of ECKankar"
      > is a current photo of Klemp.
      >
      > However, if one looks at
      > the back page where "The
      > Wisdom Notes" are given
      > there is the older "Official
      > Photo" depicting a younger
      > looking Klemp.
      >
      > Is the real and present day
      > photo depicting the Outer
      > LEM while the "Official (past)
      > Photo" depicting the Inner
      > Master/Mahanta? Is that
      > Klemp's rationale for this
      > subliminal trickery?
      >
      > Really, I don't think that this
      > issue has ever been addressed
      > since ECKists aren't permitted
      > to ask such questions without
      > risking reprisals by their RESAs
      > or via the ESC (Klemp).
      >
      > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
      > Is it anything one wants to deny
      > and imagine differently as you
      > like it?
      >
      > This photo switch is simply
      > another trick that Klemp uses
      > to cloud the minds and reasoning
      > abilities of his followers so they
      > can feel good about their religion
      > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
      > and Planes of Consciousness.
      >
      > This denial of the obvious is
      > why ECKists are comfortable
      > and passive sheep and/or are
      > chickens in the EK hen house.
      > However, on the other hand,
      > ECKists are stressed out as
      > well.
      >
      > ECKists must be Vahanas/
      > Missionary's and give Service
      > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
      > the public) in order to advance
      > and/or to maintain their status
      > as official spokespersons.
      >
      > The Lip Service is when they
      > give the "official" presentations
      > which omit facts with the guise
      > of being "too much spiritual
      > food" for the seeker to handle.
      >
      > Come on, just tell them how
      > long it will probably take them
      > to become free of Karma or
      > reach the 5th initiation! And,
      > how many more years (and
      > what's required) it should
      > take them to reach the 7th
      > initiation. Then tell them
      > how long it will be for them
      > to reach the 8th initiation...
      > maybe the RESA would know
      > that answer. LOL!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      >
      > From Dec, 2009:
      > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
      > master" (a Mahanta) would still
      > be using an outdated photo.
      > This shows that Klemp is attached
      > to KAL's lower plane influences.
      > This is more proof that HK has
      > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
      > that he ever had it). Still, for some
      > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
      > attachment must be confusing.
      > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
      > to it all... they like the public
      > seeing the younger looking photo.
      > It's less embarrassing than the
      > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
      > in a state of denial because it's
      > comfortable and convenient
      > and EK Membership has become
      > habitual and ego driven.
      >
      > {Note: Annual EK Membership
      > is actually required in order to
      > receive and keep initiations. The
      > reenrolling of one's membership
      > must become habitual or risk
      > losing the fake connection with
      > the Inner via the outer monetary
      > membership requirement. Thus,
      > EK membership is ego, as well as,
      > fear driven.}
      >
      > Prometheus
    • Diana Stanley
      I don t understand why he cares what he looks like he never hardly ever makes public appearences. Maybe he has a double to do all public pr work!!! Diana
      Message 2 of 21 , Nov 6, 2011
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        I don't understand why he cares what he looks like he never hardly ever makes public appearences. Maybe he has a double to do all public pr work!!!
        Diana



        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hello Diana and All,
        > At one time Klemp tried
        > contact lens but eventually
        > switched back to glasses.
        > I'm told he received some
        > criticism, from H.I.s via
        > chelas, that contacts were
        > more of a vanity issue than
        > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
        > can't have their mealy looking
        > Mahanta project a fraudulent
        > appearance because that
        > would indicate other frauds
        > might be taking place and
        > perpetuated. LOL!
        >
        > However, I've also read that
        > contacts can offer people
        > better vision than glasses,
        > but maybe that was just
        > a slanted PR story to sell
        > a product like Eckankar
        > does.
        >
        > I'm assuming that this is
        > why Klemp won't dye his
        > hair or get hair plugs. I
        > wonder what else Klemp
        > does, or doesn't do, that
        > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
        > or commando?
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
        > dianastanley wrote:
        > maybe he should try botox
        > or a face lift. It would be
        > a miricale that he got his
        > youth back!
        > Diana
        >
        >
        > <prometheus wrote:
        > >
        > > Hello All,
        > > This is simply more proof
        > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
        > >
        > > It's come to my attention
        > > that Klemp is still using
        > > a 10-15 old photo as his
        > > "Official Photo" which is
        > > to be displayed at ECK
        > > functions and EK Centers.
        > >
        > > WHY? Really, why is this
        > > being done?
        > >
        > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
        > > with his aging?
        > >
        > > On the front page of the
        > > September, 2011 "The
        > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
        > > is a current photo of Klemp.
        > >
        > > However, if one looks at
        > > the back page where "The
        > > Wisdom Notes" are given
        > > there is the older "Official
        > > Photo" depicting a younger
        > > looking Klemp.
        > >
        > > Is the real and present day
        > > photo depicting the Outer
        > > LEM while the "Official (past)
        > > Photo" depicting the Inner
        > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
        > > Klemp's rationale for this
        > > subliminal trickery?
        > >
        > > Really, I don't think that this
        > > issue has ever been addressed
        > > since ECKists aren't permitted
        > > to ask such questions without
        > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
        > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
        > >
        > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
        > > Is it anything one wants to deny
        > > and imagine differently as you
        > > like it?
        > >
        > > This photo switch is simply
        > > another trick that Klemp uses
        > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
        > > abilities of his followers so they
        > > can feel good about their religion
        > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
        > > and Planes of Consciousness.
        > >
        > > This denial of the obvious is
        > > why ECKists are comfortable
        > > and passive sheep and/or are
        > > chickens in the EK hen house.
        > > However, on the other hand,
        > > ECKists are stressed out as
        > > well.
        > >
        > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
        > > Missionary's and give Service
        > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
        > > the public) in order to advance
        > > and/or to maintain their status
        > > as official spokespersons.
        > >
        > > The Lip Service is when they
        > > give the "official" presentations
        > > which omit facts with the guise
        > > of being "too much spiritual
        > > food" for the seeker to handle.
        > >
        > > Come on, just tell them how
        > > long it will probably take them
        > > to become free of Karma or
        > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
        > > how many more years (and
        > > what's required) it should
        > > take them to reach the 7th
        > > initiation. Then tell them
        > > how long it will be for them
        > > to reach the 8th initiation...
        > > maybe the RESA would know
        > > that answer. LOL!
        > >
        > > Prometheus
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > From Dec, 2009:
        > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
        > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
        > > be using an outdated photo.
        > > This shows that Klemp is attached
        > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
        > > This is more proof that HK has
        > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
        > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
        > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
        > > attachment must be confusing.
        > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
        > > to it all... they like the public
        > > seeing the younger looking photo.
        > > It's less embarrassing than the
        > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
        > > in a state of denial because it's
        > > comfortable and convenient
        > > and EK Membership has become
        > > habitual and ego driven.
        > >
        > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
        > > is actually required in order to
        > > receive and keep initiations. The
        > > reenrolling of one's membership
        > > must become habitual or risk
        > > losing the fake connection with
        > > the Inner via the outer monetary
        > > membership requirement. Thus,
        > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
        > > fear driven.}
        > >
        > > Prometheus
        >
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Diana and All, Klemp cares about the more youthful image he s projecting in the PR brochures and his official pic displayed in EK Centers and at Intros
        Message 3 of 21 , Nov 7, 2011
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          Hello Diana and All,
          Klemp cares about
          the more youthful
          image he's projecting
          in the PR brochures
          and his official pic
          displayed in EK Centers
          and at Intros because
          it appeals to younger
          people more than his
          old real life image does!

          Thus, more suckers
          are attracted to the
          bait and switch packaging
          versus the reality which
          would repel them. LOL!

          At a Seminar (after
          seeing Klemp) they
          simply decide to stay
          until he gets done talking.
          Klemp was never too
          photogenic anyway but
          now he's really getting
          pathetic looking... as
          a Mahanta/God!

          Really, how can Eckists
          believe in or talk about
          the ECK Masters like
          Rebazar, who are
          supposedly over 500
          years old and still maintain
          a physical body, when
          Klemp claims to be the
          greatest and most spiritually
          advanced Mahanta ever!
          Yet, he's wasting away!
          It doesn't make sense if
          it was true! The truth is
          there are No ECK Masters
          and Klemp is a phony!

          Pretend can be fun and
          the imagination can make
          the mundane magical,
          it's an escape, and it can
          be used (as lies) to explain
          things in mythological and
          unscientific terms because
          science can't explain it
          away with concrete analysis
          and proven facts. Besides,
          would most people listen?
          Therefore, the ECK Masters
          are as imagined as the
          characters in Harry Potter,
          or the Lord of the Rings,
          et al.

          Thus, if Eckankar was for
          real Klemp wouldn't be
          aging and rapidly! He'd
          look like Rebazar or one
          of the other portraits of
          those fake ECK Masters.

          Funny that the artist who
          did the latest ECK Master
          portraits made them look
          younger than Klemp's real-
          time current photo (not the
          embellished portrait)! Just
          go the eckankar.org and
          see for yourself! It's comical!

          Prometheus


          dianastanley wrote:
          I don't understand why
          he cares what he looks
          like he never hardly ever
          makes public appearences.
          Maybe he has a double
          to do all public pr work!!!
          Diana




          <prometheus wrote:
          >
          > Hello Diana and All,
          > At one time Klemp tried
          > contact lens but eventually
          > switched back to glasses.
          > I'm told he received some
          > criticism, from H.I.s via
          > chelas, that contacts were
          > more of a vanity issue than
          > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
          > can't have their mealy looking
          > Mahanta project a fraudulent
          > appearance because that
          > would indicate other frauds
          > might be taking place and
          > perpetuated. LOL!
          >
          > However, I've also read that
          > contacts can offer people
          > better vision than glasses,
          > but maybe that was just
          > a slanted PR story to sell
          > a product like Eckankar
          > does.
          >
          > I'm assuming that this is
          > why Klemp won't dye his
          > hair or get hair plugs. I
          > wonder what else Klemp
          > does, or doesn't do, that
          > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
          > or commando?
          >
          > Prometheus
          >
          > dianastanley wrote:
          > maybe he should try botox
          > or a face lift. It would be
          > a miricale that he got his
          > youth back!
          > Diana
          >
          >
          > <prometheus wrote:
          > >
          > > Hello All,
          > > This is simply more proof
          > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
          > >
          > > It's come to my attention
          > > that Klemp is still using
          > > a 10-15 old photo as his
          > > "Official Photo" which is
          > > to be displayed at ECK
          > > functions and EK Centers.
          > >
          > > WHY? Really, why is this
          > > being done?
          > >
          > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
          > > with his aging?
          > >
          > > On the front page of the
          > > September, 2011 "The
          > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
          > > is a current photo of Klemp.
          > >
          > > However, if one looks at
          > > the back page where "The
          > > Wisdom Notes" are given
          > > there is the older "Official
          > > Photo" depicting a younger
          > > looking Klemp.
          > >
          > > Is the real and present day
          > > photo depicting the Outer
          > > LEM while the "Official (past)
          > > Photo" depicting the Inner
          > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
          > > Klemp's rationale for this
          > > subliminal trickery?
          > >
          > > Really, I don't think that this
          > > issue has ever been addressed
          > > since ECKists aren't permitted
          > > to ask such questions without
          > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
          > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
          > >
          > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
          > > Is it anything one wants to deny
          > > and imagine differently as you
          > > like it?
          > >
          > > This photo switch is simply
          > > another trick that Klemp uses
          > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
          > > abilities of his followers so they
          > > can feel good about their religion
          > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
          > > and Planes of Consciousness.
          > >
          > > This denial of the obvious is
          > > why ECKists are comfortable
          > > and passive sheep and/or are
          > > chickens in the EK hen house.
          > > However, on the other hand,
          > > ECKists are stressed out as
          > > well.
          > >
          > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
          > > Missionary's and give Service
          > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
          > > the public) in order to advance
          > > and/or to maintain their status
          > > as official spokespersons.
          > >
          > > The Lip Service is when they
          > > give the "official" presentations
          > > which omit facts with the guise
          > > of being "too much spiritual
          > > food" for the seeker to handle.
          > >
          > > Come on, just tell them how
          > > long it will probably take them
          > > to become free of Karma or
          > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
          > > how many more years (and
          > > what's required) it should
          > > take them to reach the 7th
          > > initiation. Then tell them
          > > how long it will be for them
          > > to reach the 8th initiation...
          > > maybe the RESA would know
          > > that answer. LOL!
          > >
          > > Prometheus
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > From Dec, 2009:
          > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
          > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
          > > be using an outdated photo.
          > > This shows that Klemp is attached
          > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
          > > This is more proof that HK has
          > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
          > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
          > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
          > > attachment must be confusing.
          > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
          > > to it all... they like the public
          > > seeing the younger looking photo.
          > > It's less embarrassing than the
          > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
          > > in a state of denial because it's
          > > comfortable and convenient
          > > and EK Membership has become
          > > habitual and ego driven.
          > >
          > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
          > > is actually required in order to
          > > receive and keep initiations. The
          > > reenrolling of one's membership
          > > must become habitual or risk
          > > losing the fake connection with
          > > the Inner via the outer monetary
          > > membership requirement. Thus,
          > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
          > > fear driven.}
          > >
          > > Prometheus
        • Diana Stanley
          Eckankar is being reduced to sillyness. People who are trully seeking spiritual enlightenment will begin to leave. Those that are comfortable with authority
          Message 4 of 21 , Nov 9, 2011
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            Eckankar is being reduced to sillyness. People who are trully seeking spiritual enlightenment will begin to leave. Those that are comfortable with authority and rules and regulations will hang on.
            Much like the old churches some people feel safe if they are told how to get to heven and avoid hell.
            I imagin Harold is trying to incorporate the Eck teachings with christian beliefs as that is Harolds background.
            I am afraid it is a marrage that is doomed to failure. Hopefully sooner than later.
            Diana

            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hello Diana and All,
            > Klemp cares about
            > the more youthful
            > image he's projecting
            > in the PR brochures
            > and his official pic
            > displayed in EK Centers
            > and at Intros because
            > it appeals to younger
            > people more than his
            > old real life image does!
            >
            > Thus, more suckers
            > are attracted to the
            > bait and switch packaging
            > versus the reality which
            > would repel them. LOL!
            >
            > At a Seminar (after
            > seeing Klemp) they
            > simply decide to stay
            > until he gets done talking.
            > Klemp was never too
            > photogenic anyway but
            > now he's really getting
            > pathetic looking... as
            > a Mahanta/God!
            >
            > Really, how can Eckists
            > believe in or talk about
            > the ECK Masters like
            > Rebazar, who are
            > supposedly over 500
            > years old and still maintain
            > a physical body, when
            > Klemp claims to be the
            > greatest and most spiritually
            > advanced Mahanta ever!
            > Yet, he's wasting away!
            > It doesn't make sense if
            > it was true! The truth is
            > there are No ECK Masters
            > and Klemp is a phony!
            >
            > Pretend can be fun and
            > the imagination can make
            > the mundane magical,
            > it's an escape, and it can
            > be used (as lies) to explain
            > things in mythological and
            > unscientific terms because
            > science can't explain it
            > away with concrete analysis
            > and proven facts. Besides,
            > would most people listen?
            > Therefore, the ECK Masters
            > are as imagined as the
            > characters in Harry Potter,
            > or the Lord of the Rings,
            > et al.
            >
            > Thus, if Eckankar was for
            > real Klemp wouldn't be
            > aging and rapidly! He'd
            > look like Rebazar or one
            > of the other portraits of
            > those fake ECK Masters.
            >
            > Funny that the artist who
            > did the latest ECK Master
            > portraits made them look
            > younger than Klemp's real-
            > time current photo (not the
            > embellished portrait)! Just
            > go the eckankar.org and
            > see for yourself! It's comical!
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            >
            > dianastanley wrote:
            > I don't understand why
            > he cares what he looks
            > like he never hardly ever
            > makes public appearences.
            > Maybe he has a double
            > to do all public pr work!!!
            > Diana
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > <prometheus wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello Diana and All,
            > > At one time Klemp tried
            > > contact lens but eventually
            > > switched back to glasses.
            > > I'm told he received some
            > > criticism, from H.I.s via
            > > chelas, that contacts were
            > > more of a vanity issue than
            > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
            > > can't have their mealy looking
            > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
            > > appearance because that
            > > would indicate other frauds
            > > might be taking place and
            > > perpetuated. LOL!
            > >
            > > However, I've also read that
            > > contacts can offer people
            > > better vision than glasses,
            > > but maybe that was just
            > > a slanted PR story to sell
            > > a product like Eckankar
            > > does.
            > >
            > > I'm assuming that this is
            > > why Klemp won't dye his
            > > hair or get hair plugs. I
            > > wonder what else Klemp
            > > does, or doesn't do, that
            > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
            > > or commando?
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            > >
            > > dianastanley wrote:
            > > maybe he should try botox
            > > or a face lift. It would be
            > > a miricale that he got his
            > > youth back!
            > > Diana
            > >
            > >
            > > <prometheus wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Hello All,
            > > > This is simply more proof
            > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
            > > >
            > > > It's come to my attention
            > > > that Klemp is still using
            > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
            > > > "Official Photo" which is
            > > > to be displayed at ECK
            > > > functions and EK Centers.
            > > >
            > > > WHY? Really, why is this
            > > > being done?
            > > >
            > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
            > > > with his aging?
            > > >
            > > > On the front page of the
            > > > September, 2011 "The
            > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
            > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
            > > >
            > > > However, if one looks at
            > > > the back page where "The
            > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
            > > > there is the older "Official
            > > > Photo" depicting a younger
            > > > looking Klemp.
            > > >
            > > > Is the real and present day
            > > > photo depicting the Outer
            > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
            > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
            > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
            > > > Klemp's rationale for this
            > > > subliminal trickery?
            > > >
            > > > Really, I don't think that this
            > > > issue has ever been addressed
            > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
            > > > to ask such questions without
            > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
            > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
            > > >
            > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
            > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
            > > > and imagine differently as you
            > > > like it?
            > > >
            > > > This photo switch is simply
            > > > another trick that Klemp uses
            > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
            > > > abilities of his followers so they
            > > > can feel good about their religion
            > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
            > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
            > > >
            > > > This denial of the obvious is
            > > > why ECKists are comfortable
            > > > and passive sheep and/or are
            > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
            > > > However, on the other hand,
            > > > ECKists are stressed out as
            > > > well.
            > > >
            > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
            > > > Missionary's and give Service
            > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
            > > > the public) in order to advance
            > > > and/or to maintain their status
            > > > as official spokespersons.
            > > >
            > > > The Lip Service is when they
            > > > give the "official" presentations
            > > > which omit facts with the guise
            > > > of being "too much spiritual
            > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
            > > >
            > > > Come on, just tell them how
            > > > long it will probably take them
            > > > to become free of Karma or
            > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
            > > > how many more years (and
            > > > what's required) it should
            > > > take them to reach the 7th
            > > > initiation. Then tell them
            > > > how long it will be for them
            > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
            > > > maybe the RESA would know
            > > > that answer. LOL!
            > > >
            > > > Prometheus
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > From Dec, 2009:
            > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
            > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
            > > > be using an outdated photo.
            > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
            > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
            > > > This is more proof that HK has
            > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
            > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
            > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
            > > > attachment must be confusing.
            > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
            > > > to it all... they like the public
            > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
            > > > It's less embarrassing than the
            > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
            > > > in a state of denial because it's
            > > > comfortable and convenient
            > > > and EK Membership has become
            > > > habitual and ego driven.
            > > >
            > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
            > > > is actually required in order to
            > > > receive and keep initiations. The
            > > > reenrolling of one's membership
            > > > must become habitual or risk
            > > > losing the fake connection with
            > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
            > > > membership requirement. Thus,
            > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
            > > > fear driven.}
            > > >
            > > > Prometheus
            >
          • prometheus_973
            Hello Diana and All, Yes, the silliness began with Twitchell. That s why Gail and Patti were always giggling about good old fuddy-duddy Paul and his conman
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              Hello Diana and All,
              Yes, the silliness began
              with Twitchell. That's
              why Gail and Patti were
              always giggling about
              good old fuddy-duddy
              Paul and his conman
              antics, some, to hide
              his age [the joke was
              on them because Paul
              was older than they
              thought]. Other embellishments
              were used to promote
              himself... and yet this
              doesn't seem to be a
              problem for longtime
              H.I.s. When I found out
              about the foundation
              of the EK teachings and
              the liar Twitchell I just
              couldn't remain a follower.
              Truth means too much
              to me. Ask yourself,
              "What is Truth?"

              Klemp is as much the liar
              as Twitchell. He rationalizes
              it away by thinking that people
              need something to believe
              in and Eckankar gives them
              something that is, at least,
              less physically harmful to
              the world than many other
              religions. Of course, that's
              only because Eckankar doesn't
              have the members, money,
              and power that other religions
              have. Other than that it's
              a fraud and a waste of time.
              It creates delusional thinking
              and this inhibits clarity of
              mind and true, individual,
              "spiritual" progress.

              Prometheus



              "Diana Stanley" wrote:
              Eckankar is being reduced
              to sillyness. People who
              are trully seeking spiritual
              enlightenment will begin
              to leave. Those that are
              comfortable with authority
              and rules and regulations
              will hang on.

              Much like the old churches
              some people feel safe if
              they are told how to get
              to heven and avoid hell.
              I imagin Harold is trying
              to incorporate the Eck
              teachings with christian
              beliefs as that is Harolds
              background.

              I am afraid it is a marrage
              that is doomed to failure.
              Hopefully sooner than later.
              Diana


              <prometheus wrote:
              >
              > Hello Diana and All,
              > Klemp cares about
              > the more youthful
              > image he's projecting
              > in the PR brochures
              > and his official pic
              > displayed in EK Centers
              > and at Intros because
              > it appeals to younger
              > people more than his
              > old real life image does!
              >
              > Thus, more suckers
              > are attracted to the
              > bait and switch packaging
              > versus the reality which
              > would repel them. LOL!
              >
              > At a Seminar (after
              > seeing Klemp) they
              > simply decide to stay
              > until he gets done talking.
              > Klemp was never too
              > photogenic anyway but
              > now he's really getting
              > pathetic looking... as
              > a Mahanta/God!
              >
              > Really, how can Eckists
              > believe in or talk about
              > the ECK Masters like
              > Rebazar, who are
              > supposedly over 500
              > years old and still maintain
              > a physical body, when
              > Klemp claims to be the
              > greatest and most spiritually
              > advanced Mahanta ever!
              > Yet, he's wasting away!
              > It doesn't make sense if
              > it was true! The truth is
              > there are No ECK Masters
              > and Klemp is a phony!
              >
              > Pretend can be fun and
              > the imagination can make
              > the mundane magical,
              > it's an escape, and it can
              > be used (as lies) to explain
              > things in mythological and
              > unscientific terms because
              > science can't explain it
              > away with concrete analysis
              > and proven facts. Besides,
              > would most people listen?
              > Therefore, the ECK Masters
              > are as imagined as the
              > characters in Harry Potter,
              > or the Lord of the Rings,
              > et al.
              >
              > Thus, if Eckankar was for
              > real Klemp wouldn't be
              > aging and rapidly! He'd
              > look like Rebazar or one
              > of the other portraits of
              > those fake ECK Masters.
              >
              > Funny that the artist who
              > did the latest ECK Master
              > portraits made them look
              > younger than Klemp's real-
              > time current photo (not the
              > embellished portrait)! Just
              > go the eckankar.org and
              > see for yourself! It's comical!
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              >
              > dianastanley wrote:
              > I don't understand why
              > he cares what he looks
              > like he never hardly ever
              > makes public appearences.
              > Maybe he has a double
              > to do all public pr work!!!
              > Diana
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > <prometheus wrote:
              > >
              > > Hello Diana and All,
              > > At one time Klemp tried
              > > contact lens but eventually
              > > switched back to glasses.
              > > I'm told he received some
              > > criticism, from H.I.s via
              > > chelas, that contacts were
              > > more of a vanity issue than
              > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
              > > can't have their mealy looking
              > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
              > > appearance because that
              > > would indicate other frauds
              > > might be taking place and
              > > perpetuated. LOL!
              > >
              > > However, I've also read that
              > > contacts can offer people
              > > better vision than glasses,
              > > but maybe that was just
              > > a slanted PR story to sell
              > > a product like Eckankar
              > > does.
              > >
              > > I'm assuming that this is
              > > why Klemp won't dye his
              > > hair or get hair plugs. I
              > > wonder what else Klemp
              > > does, or doesn't do, that
              > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
              > > or commando?
              > >
              > > Prometheus
              > >
              > > dianastanley wrote:
              > > maybe he should try botox
              > > or a face lift. It would be
              > > a miricale that he got his
              > > youth back!
              > > Diana
              > >
              > >
              > > <prometheus wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Hello All,
              > > > This is simply more proof
              > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
              > > >
              > > > It's come to my attention
              > > > that Klemp is still using
              > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
              > > > "Official Photo" which is
              > > > to be displayed at ECK
              > > > functions and EK Centers.
              > > >
              > > > WHY? Really, why is this
              > > > being done?
              > > >
              > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
              > > > with his aging?
              > > >
              > > > On the front page of the
              > > > September, 2011 "The
              > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
              > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
              > > >
              > > > However, if one looks at
              > > > the back page where "The
              > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
              > > > there is the older "Official
              > > > Photo" depicting a younger
              > > > looking Klemp.
              > > >
              > > > Is the real and present day
              > > > photo depicting the Outer
              > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
              > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
              > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
              > > > Klemp's rationale for this
              > > > subliminal trickery?
              > > >
              > > > Really, I don't think that this
              > > > issue has ever been addressed
              > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
              > > > to ask such questions without
              > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
              > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
              > > >
              > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
              > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
              > > > and imagine differently as you
              > > > like it?
              > > >
              > > > This photo switch is simply
              > > > another trick that Klemp uses
              > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
              > > > abilities of his followers so they
              > > > can feel good about their religion
              > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
              > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
              > > >
              > > > This denial of the obvious is
              > > > why ECKists are comfortable
              > > > and passive sheep and/or are
              > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
              > > > However, on the other hand,
              > > > ECKists are stressed out as
              > > > well.
              > > >
              > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
              > > > Missionary's and give Service
              > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
              > > > the public) in order to advance
              > > > and/or to maintain their status
              > > > as official spokespersons.
              > > >
              > > > The Lip Service is when they
              > > > give the "official" presentations
              > > > which omit facts with the guise
              > > > of being "too much spiritual
              > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
              > > >
              > > > Come on, just tell them how
              > > > long it will probably take them
              > > > to become free of Karma or
              > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
              > > > how many more years (and
              > > > what's required) it should
              > > > take them to reach the 7th
              > > > initiation. Then tell them
              > > > how long it will be for them
              > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
              > > > maybe the RESA would know
              > > > that answer. LOL!
              > > >
              > > > Prometheus
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > From Dec, 2009:
              > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
              > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
              > > > be using an outdated photo.
              > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
              > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
              > > > This is more proof that HK has
              > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
              > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
              > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
              > > > attachment must be confusing.
              > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
              > > > to it all... they like the public
              > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
              > > > It's less embarrassing than the
              > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
              > > > in a state of denial because it's
              > > > comfortable and convenient
              > > > and EK Membership has become
              > > > habitual and ego driven.
              > > >
              > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
              > > > is actually required in order to
              > > > receive and keep initiations. The
              > > > reenrolling of one's membership
              > > > must become habitual or risk
              > > > losing the fake connection with
              > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
              > > > membership requirement. Thus,
              > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
              > > > fear driven.}
              > > >
              > > > Prometheus
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