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  • Diana Stanley
    maybe he should try botox or a face lift. It would be a miricale that he got his youth back! Diana
    Message 1 of 21 , Nov 4, 2011
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      maybe he should try botox or a face lift. It would be a miricale that he got his youth back!
      Diana

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello All,
      > This is simply more proof
      > of Eckankar's deceptions.
      >
      > It's come to my attention
      > that Klemp is still using
      > a 10-15 old photo as his
      > "Official Photo" which is
      > to be displayed at ECK
      > functions and EK Centers.
      >
      > WHY? Really, why is this
      > being done?
      >
      > Isn't Klemp comfortable
      > with his aging?
      >
      > On the front page of the
      > September, 2011 "The
      > Mystic World of ECKankar"
      > is a current photo of Klemp.
      >
      > However, if one looks at
      > the back page where "The
      > Wisdom Notes" are given
      > there is the older "Official
      > Photo" depicting a younger
      > looking Klemp.
      >
      > Is the real and present day
      > photo depicting the Outer
      > LEM while the "Official (past)
      > Photo" depicting the Inner
      > Master/Mahanta? Is that
      > Klemp's rationale for this
      > subliminal trickery?
      >
      > Really, I don't think that this
      > issue has ever been addressed
      > since ECKists aren't permitted
      > to ask such questions without
      > risking reprisals by their RESAs
      > or via the ESC (Klemp).
      >
      > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
      > Is it anything one wants to deny
      > and imagine differently as you
      > like it?
      >
      > This photo switch is simply
      > another trick that Klemp uses
      > to cloud the minds and reasoning
      > abilities of his followers so they
      > can feel good about their religion
      > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
      > and Planes of Consciousness.
      >
      > This denial of the obvious is
      > why ECKists are comfortable
      > and passive sheep and/or are
      > chickens in the EK hen house.
      > However, on the other hand,
      > ECKists are stressed out as
      > well.
      >
      > ECKists must be Vahanas/
      > Missionary's and give Service
      > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
      > the public) in order to advance
      > and/or to maintain their status
      > as official spokespersons.
      >
      > The Lip Service is when they
      > give the "official" presentations
      > which omit facts with the guise
      > of being "too much spiritual
      > food" for the seeker to handle.
      >
      > Come on, just tell them how
      > long it will probably take them
      > to become free of Karma or
      > reach the 5th initiation! And,
      > how many more years (and
      > what's required) it should
      > take them to reach the 7th
      > initiation. Then tell them
      > how long it will be for them
      > to reach the 8th initiation...
      > maybe the RESA would know
      > that answer. LOL!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      >
      > From Dec, 2009:
      > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
      > master" (a Mahanta) would still
      > be using an outdated photo.
      > This shows that Klemp is attached
      > to KAL's lower plane influences.
      > This is more proof that HK has
      > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
      > that he ever had it). Still, for some
      > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
      > attachment must be confusing.
      > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
      > to it all... they like the public
      > seeing the younger looking photo.
      > It's less embarrassing than the
      > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
      > in a state of denial because it's
      > comfortable and convenient
      > and EK Membership has become
      > habitual and ego driven.
      >
      > {Note: Annual EK Membership
      > is actually required in order to
      > receive and keep initiations. The
      > reenrolling of one's membership
      > must become habitual or risk
      > losing the fake connection with
      > the Inner via the outer monetary
      > membership requirement. Thus,
      > EK membership is ego, as well as,
      > fear driven.}
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
    • prometheus_973
      Hello Diana and All, At one time Klemp tried contact lens but eventually switched back to glasses. I m told he received some criticism, from H.I.s via chelas,
      Message 2 of 21 , Nov 4, 2011
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        Hello Diana and All,
        At one time Klemp tried
        contact lens but eventually
        switched back to glasses.
        I'm told he received some
        criticism, from H.I.s via
        chelas, that contacts were
        more of a vanity issue than
        a sight/vision issue. ECKists
        can't have their mealy looking
        Mahanta project a fraudulent
        appearance because that
        would indicate other frauds
        might be taking place and
        perpetuated. LOL!

        However, I've also read that
        contacts can offer people
        better vision than glasses,
        but maybe that was just
        a slanted PR story to sell
        a product like Eckankar
        does.

        I'm assuming that this is
        why Klemp won't dye his
        hair or get hair plugs. I
        wonder what else Klemp
        does, or doesn't do, that
        is natural? Boxers, briefs,
        or commando?

        Prometheus

        dianastanley wrote:
        maybe he should try botox
        or a face lift. It would be
        a miricale that he got his
        youth back!
        Diana


        <prometheus wrote:
        >
        > Hello All,
        > This is simply more proof
        > of Eckankar's deceptions.
        >
        > It's come to my attention
        > that Klemp is still using
        > a 10-15 old photo as his
        > "Official Photo" which is
        > to be displayed at ECK
        > functions and EK Centers.
        >
        > WHY? Really, why is this
        > being done?
        >
        > Isn't Klemp comfortable
        > with his aging?
        >
        > On the front page of the
        > September, 2011 "The
        > Mystic World of ECKankar"
        > is a current photo of Klemp.
        >
        > However, if one looks at
        > the back page where "The
        > Wisdom Notes" are given
        > there is the older "Official
        > Photo" depicting a younger
        > looking Klemp.
        >
        > Is the real and present day
        > photo depicting the Outer
        > LEM while the "Official (past)
        > Photo" depicting the Inner
        > Master/Mahanta? Is that
        > Klemp's rationale for this
        > subliminal trickery?
        >
        > Really, I don't think that this
        > issue has ever been addressed
        > since ECKists aren't permitted
        > to ask such questions without
        > risking reprisals by their RESAs
        > or via the ESC (Klemp).
        >
        > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
        > Is it anything one wants to deny
        > and imagine differently as you
        > like it?
        >
        > This photo switch is simply
        > another trick that Klemp uses
        > to cloud the minds and reasoning
        > abilities of his followers so they
        > can feel good about their religion
        > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
        > and Planes of Consciousness.
        >
        > This denial of the obvious is
        > why ECKists are comfortable
        > and passive sheep and/or are
        > chickens in the EK hen house.
        > However, on the other hand,
        > ECKists are stressed out as
        > well.
        >
        > ECKists must be Vahanas/
        > Missionary's and give Service
        > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
        > the public) in order to advance
        > and/or to maintain their status
        > as official spokespersons.
        >
        > The Lip Service is when they
        > give the "official" presentations
        > which omit facts with the guise
        > of being "too much spiritual
        > food" for the seeker to handle.
        >
        > Come on, just tell them how
        > long it will probably take them
        > to become free of Karma or
        > reach the 5th initiation! And,
        > how many more years (and
        > what's required) it should
        > take them to reach the 7th
        > initiation. Then tell them
        > how long it will be for them
        > to reach the 8th initiation...
        > maybe the RESA would know
        > that answer. LOL!
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
        >
        >
        > From Dec, 2009:
        > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
        > master" (a Mahanta) would still
        > be using an outdated photo.
        > This shows that Klemp is attached
        > to KAL's lower plane influences.
        > This is more proof that HK has
        > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
        > that he ever had it). Still, for some
        > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
        > attachment must be confusing.
        > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
        > to it all... they like the public
        > seeing the younger looking photo.
        > It's less embarrassing than the
        > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
        > in a state of denial because it's
        > comfortable and convenient
        > and EK Membership has become
        > habitual and ego driven.
        >
        > {Note: Annual EK Membership
        > is actually required in order to
        > receive and keep initiations. The
        > reenrolling of one's membership
        > must become habitual or risk
        > losing the fake connection with
        > the Inner via the outer monetary
        > membership requirement. Thus,
        > EK membership is ego, as well as,
        > fear driven.}
        >
        > Prometheus
      • Diana Stanley
        I don t understand why he cares what he looks like he never hardly ever makes public appearences. Maybe he has a double to do all public pr work!!! Diana
        Message 3 of 21 , Nov 6, 2011
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          I don't understand why he cares what he looks like he never hardly ever makes public appearences. Maybe he has a double to do all public pr work!!!
          Diana



          --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hello Diana and All,
          > At one time Klemp tried
          > contact lens but eventually
          > switched back to glasses.
          > I'm told he received some
          > criticism, from H.I.s via
          > chelas, that contacts were
          > more of a vanity issue than
          > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
          > can't have their mealy looking
          > Mahanta project a fraudulent
          > appearance because that
          > would indicate other frauds
          > might be taking place and
          > perpetuated. LOL!
          >
          > However, I've also read that
          > contacts can offer people
          > better vision than glasses,
          > but maybe that was just
          > a slanted PR story to sell
          > a product like Eckankar
          > does.
          >
          > I'm assuming that this is
          > why Klemp won't dye his
          > hair or get hair plugs. I
          > wonder what else Klemp
          > does, or doesn't do, that
          > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
          > or commando?
          >
          > Prometheus
          >
          > dianastanley wrote:
          > maybe he should try botox
          > or a face lift. It would be
          > a miricale that he got his
          > youth back!
          > Diana
          >
          >
          > <prometheus wrote:
          > >
          > > Hello All,
          > > This is simply more proof
          > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
          > >
          > > It's come to my attention
          > > that Klemp is still using
          > > a 10-15 old photo as his
          > > "Official Photo" which is
          > > to be displayed at ECK
          > > functions and EK Centers.
          > >
          > > WHY? Really, why is this
          > > being done?
          > >
          > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
          > > with his aging?
          > >
          > > On the front page of the
          > > September, 2011 "The
          > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
          > > is a current photo of Klemp.
          > >
          > > However, if one looks at
          > > the back page where "The
          > > Wisdom Notes" are given
          > > there is the older "Official
          > > Photo" depicting a younger
          > > looking Klemp.
          > >
          > > Is the real and present day
          > > photo depicting the Outer
          > > LEM while the "Official (past)
          > > Photo" depicting the Inner
          > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
          > > Klemp's rationale for this
          > > subliminal trickery?
          > >
          > > Really, I don't think that this
          > > issue has ever been addressed
          > > since ECKists aren't permitted
          > > to ask such questions without
          > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
          > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
          > >
          > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
          > > Is it anything one wants to deny
          > > and imagine differently as you
          > > like it?
          > >
          > > This photo switch is simply
          > > another trick that Klemp uses
          > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
          > > abilities of his followers so they
          > > can feel good about their religion
          > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
          > > and Planes of Consciousness.
          > >
          > > This denial of the obvious is
          > > why ECKists are comfortable
          > > and passive sheep and/or are
          > > chickens in the EK hen house.
          > > However, on the other hand,
          > > ECKists are stressed out as
          > > well.
          > >
          > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
          > > Missionary's and give Service
          > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
          > > the public) in order to advance
          > > and/or to maintain their status
          > > as official spokespersons.
          > >
          > > The Lip Service is when they
          > > give the "official" presentations
          > > which omit facts with the guise
          > > of being "too much spiritual
          > > food" for the seeker to handle.
          > >
          > > Come on, just tell them how
          > > long it will probably take them
          > > to become free of Karma or
          > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
          > > how many more years (and
          > > what's required) it should
          > > take them to reach the 7th
          > > initiation. Then tell them
          > > how long it will be for them
          > > to reach the 8th initiation...
          > > maybe the RESA would know
          > > that answer. LOL!
          > >
          > > Prometheus
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > From Dec, 2009:
          > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
          > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
          > > be using an outdated photo.
          > > This shows that Klemp is attached
          > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
          > > This is more proof that HK has
          > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
          > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
          > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
          > > attachment must be confusing.
          > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
          > > to it all... they like the public
          > > seeing the younger looking photo.
          > > It's less embarrassing than the
          > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
          > > in a state of denial because it's
          > > comfortable and convenient
          > > and EK Membership has become
          > > habitual and ego driven.
          > >
          > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
          > > is actually required in order to
          > > receive and keep initiations. The
          > > reenrolling of one's membership
          > > must become habitual or risk
          > > losing the fake connection with
          > > the Inner via the outer monetary
          > > membership requirement. Thus,
          > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
          > > fear driven.}
          > >
          > > Prometheus
          >
        • prometheus_973
          Hello Diana and All, Klemp cares about the more youthful image he s projecting in the PR brochures and his official pic displayed in EK Centers and at Intros
          Message 4 of 21 , Nov 7, 2011
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            Hello Diana and All,
            Klemp cares about
            the more youthful
            image he's projecting
            in the PR brochures
            and his official pic
            displayed in EK Centers
            and at Intros because
            it appeals to younger
            people more than his
            old real life image does!

            Thus, more suckers
            are attracted to the
            bait and switch packaging
            versus the reality which
            would repel them. LOL!

            At a Seminar (after
            seeing Klemp) they
            simply decide to stay
            until he gets done talking.
            Klemp was never too
            photogenic anyway but
            now he's really getting
            pathetic looking... as
            a Mahanta/God!

            Really, how can Eckists
            believe in or talk about
            the ECK Masters like
            Rebazar, who are
            supposedly over 500
            years old and still maintain
            a physical body, when
            Klemp claims to be the
            greatest and most spiritually
            advanced Mahanta ever!
            Yet, he's wasting away!
            It doesn't make sense if
            it was true! The truth is
            there are No ECK Masters
            and Klemp is a phony!

            Pretend can be fun and
            the imagination can make
            the mundane magical,
            it's an escape, and it can
            be used (as lies) to explain
            things in mythological and
            unscientific terms because
            science can't explain it
            away with concrete analysis
            and proven facts. Besides,
            would most people listen?
            Therefore, the ECK Masters
            are as imagined as the
            characters in Harry Potter,
            or the Lord of the Rings,
            et al.

            Thus, if Eckankar was for
            real Klemp wouldn't be
            aging and rapidly! He'd
            look like Rebazar or one
            of the other portraits of
            those fake ECK Masters.

            Funny that the artist who
            did the latest ECK Master
            portraits made them look
            younger than Klemp's real-
            time current photo (not the
            embellished portrait)! Just
            go the eckankar.org and
            see for yourself! It's comical!

            Prometheus


            dianastanley wrote:
            I don't understand why
            he cares what he looks
            like he never hardly ever
            makes public appearences.
            Maybe he has a double
            to do all public pr work!!!
            Diana




            <prometheus wrote:
            >
            > Hello Diana and All,
            > At one time Klemp tried
            > contact lens but eventually
            > switched back to glasses.
            > I'm told he received some
            > criticism, from H.I.s via
            > chelas, that contacts were
            > more of a vanity issue than
            > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
            > can't have their mealy looking
            > Mahanta project a fraudulent
            > appearance because that
            > would indicate other frauds
            > might be taking place and
            > perpetuated. LOL!
            >
            > However, I've also read that
            > contacts can offer people
            > better vision than glasses,
            > but maybe that was just
            > a slanted PR story to sell
            > a product like Eckankar
            > does.
            >
            > I'm assuming that this is
            > why Klemp won't dye his
            > hair or get hair plugs. I
            > wonder what else Klemp
            > does, or doesn't do, that
            > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
            > or commando?
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            > dianastanley wrote:
            > maybe he should try botox
            > or a face lift. It would be
            > a miricale that he got his
            > youth back!
            > Diana
            >
            >
            > <prometheus wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello All,
            > > This is simply more proof
            > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
            > >
            > > It's come to my attention
            > > that Klemp is still using
            > > a 10-15 old photo as his
            > > "Official Photo" which is
            > > to be displayed at ECK
            > > functions and EK Centers.
            > >
            > > WHY? Really, why is this
            > > being done?
            > >
            > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
            > > with his aging?
            > >
            > > On the front page of the
            > > September, 2011 "The
            > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
            > > is a current photo of Klemp.
            > >
            > > However, if one looks at
            > > the back page where "The
            > > Wisdom Notes" are given
            > > there is the older "Official
            > > Photo" depicting a younger
            > > looking Klemp.
            > >
            > > Is the real and present day
            > > photo depicting the Outer
            > > LEM while the "Official (past)
            > > Photo" depicting the Inner
            > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
            > > Klemp's rationale for this
            > > subliminal trickery?
            > >
            > > Really, I don't think that this
            > > issue has ever been addressed
            > > since ECKists aren't permitted
            > > to ask such questions without
            > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
            > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
            > >
            > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
            > > Is it anything one wants to deny
            > > and imagine differently as you
            > > like it?
            > >
            > > This photo switch is simply
            > > another trick that Klemp uses
            > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
            > > abilities of his followers so they
            > > can feel good about their religion
            > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
            > > and Planes of Consciousness.
            > >
            > > This denial of the obvious is
            > > why ECKists are comfortable
            > > and passive sheep and/or are
            > > chickens in the EK hen house.
            > > However, on the other hand,
            > > ECKists are stressed out as
            > > well.
            > >
            > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
            > > Missionary's and give Service
            > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
            > > the public) in order to advance
            > > and/or to maintain their status
            > > as official spokespersons.
            > >
            > > The Lip Service is when they
            > > give the "official" presentations
            > > which omit facts with the guise
            > > of being "too much spiritual
            > > food" for the seeker to handle.
            > >
            > > Come on, just tell them how
            > > long it will probably take them
            > > to become free of Karma or
            > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
            > > how many more years (and
            > > what's required) it should
            > > take them to reach the 7th
            > > initiation. Then tell them
            > > how long it will be for them
            > > to reach the 8th initiation...
            > > maybe the RESA would know
            > > that answer. LOL!
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > From Dec, 2009:
            > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
            > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
            > > be using an outdated photo.
            > > This shows that Klemp is attached
            > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
            > > This is more proof that HK has
            > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
            > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
            > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
            > > attachment must be confusing.
            > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
            > > to it all... they like the public
            > > seeing the younger looking photo.
            > > It's less embarrassing than the
            > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
            > > in a state of denial because it's
            > > comfortable and convenient
            > > and EK Membership has become
            > > habitual and ego driven.
            > >
            > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
            > > is actually required in order to
            > > receive and keep initiations. The
            > > reenrolling of one's membership
            > > must become habitual or risk
            > > losing the fake connection with
            > > the Inner via the outer monetary
            > > membership requirement. Thus,
            > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
            > > fear driven.}
            > >
            > > Prometheus
          • Diana Stanley
            Eckankar is being reduced to sillyness. People who are trully seeking spiritual enlightenment will begin to leave. Those that are comfortable with authority
            Message 5 of 21 , Nov 9, 2011
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              Eckankar is being reduced to sillyness. People who are trully seeking spiritual enlightenment will begin to leave. Those that are comfortable with authority and rules and regulations will hang on.
              Much like the old churches some people feel safe if they are told how to get to heven and avoid hell.
              I imagin Harold is trying to incorporate the Eck teachings with christian beliefs as that is Harolds background.
              I am afraid it is a marrage that is doomed to failure. Hopefully sooner than later.
              Diana

              --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hello Diana and All,
              > Klemp cares about
              > the more youthful
              > image he's projecting
              > in the PR brochures
              > and his official pic
              > displayed in EK Centers
              > and at Intros because
              > it appeals to younger
              > people more than his
              > old real life image does!
              >
              > Thus, more suckers
              > are attracted to the
              > bait and switch packaging
              > versus the reality which
              > would repel them. LOL!
              >
              > At a Seminar (after
              > seeing Klemp) they
              > simply decide to stay
              > until he gets done talking.
              > Klemp was never too
              > photogenic anyway but
              > now he's really getting
              > pathetic looking... as
              > a Mahanta/God!
              >
              > Really, how can Eckists
              > believe in or talk about
              > the ECK Masters like
              > Rebazar, who are
              > supposedly over 500
              > years old and still maintain
              > a physical body, when
              > Klemp claims to be the
              > greatest and most spiritually
              > advanced Mahanta ever!
              > Yet, he's wasting away!
              > It doesn't make sense if
              > it was true! The truth is
              > there are No ECK Masters
              > and Klemp is a phony!
              >
              > Pretend can be fun and
              > the imagination can make
              > the mundane magical,
              > it's an escape, and it can
              > be used (as lies) to explain
              > things in mythological and
              > unscientific terms because
              > science can't explain it
              > away with concrete analysis
              > and proven facts. Besides,
              > would most people listen?
              > Therefore, the ECK Masters
              > are as imagined as the
              > characters in Harry Potter,
              > or the Lord of the Rings,
              > et al.
              >
              > Thus, if Eckankar was for
              > real Klemp wouldn't be
              > aging and rapidly! He'd
              > look like Rebazar or one
              > of the other portraits of
              > those fake ECK Masters.
              >
              > Funny that the artist who
              > did the latest ECK Master
              > portraits made them look
              > younger than Klemp's real-
              > time current photo (not the
              > embellished portrait)! Just
              > go the eckankar.org and
              > see for yourself! It's comical!
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              >
              > dianastanley wrote:
              > I don't understand why
              > he cares what he looks
              > like he never hardly ever
              > makes public appearences.
              > Maybe he has a double
              > to do all public pr work!!!
              > Diana
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > <prometheus wrote:
              > >
              > > Hello Diana and All,
              > > At one time Klemp tried
              > > contact lens but eventually
              > > switched back to glasses.
              > > I'm told he received some
              > > criticism, from H.I.s via
              > > chelas, that contacts were
              > > more of a vanity issue than
              > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
              > > can't have their mealy looking
              > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
              > > appearance because that
              > > would indicate other frauds
              > > might be taking place and
              > > perpetuated. LOL!
              > >
              > > However, I've also read that
              > > contacts can offer people
              > > better vision than glasses,
              > > but maybe that was just
              > > a slanted PR story to sell
              > > a product like Eckankar
              > > does.
              > >
              > > I'm assuming that this is
              > > why Klemp won't dye his
              > > hair or get hair plugs. I
              > > wonder what else Klemp
              > > does, or doesn't do, that
              > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
              > > or commando?
              > >
              > > Prometheus
              > >
              > > dianastanley wrote:
              > > maybe he should try botox
              > > or a face lift. It would be
              > > a miricale that he got his
              > > youth back!
              > > Diana
              > >
              > >
              > > <prometheus wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Hello All,
              > > > This is simply more proof
              > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
              > > >
              > > > It's come to my attention
              > > > that Klemp is still using
              > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
              > > > "Official Photo" which is
              > > > to be displayed at ECK
              > > > functions and EK Centers.
              > > >
              > > > WHY? Really, why is this
              > > > being done?
              > > >
              > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
              > > > with his aging?
              > > >
              > > > On the front page of the
              > > > September, 2011 "The
              > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
              > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
              > > >
              > > > However, if one looks at
              > > > the back page where "The
              > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
              > > > there is the older "Official
              > > > Photo" depicting a younger
              > > > looking Klemp.
              > > >
              > > > Is the real and present day
              > > > photo depicting the Outer
              > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
              > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
              > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
              > > > Klemp's rationale for this
              > > > subliminal trickery?
              > > >
              > > > Really, I don't think that this
              > > > issue has ever been addressed
              > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
              > > > to ask such questions without
              > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
              > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
              > > >
              > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
              > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
              > > > and imagine differently as you
              > > > like it?
              > > >
              > > > This photo switch is simply
              > > > another trick that Klemp uses
              > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
              > > > abilities of his followers so they
              > > > can feel good about their religion
              > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
              > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
              > > >
              > > > This denial of the obvious is
              > > > why ECKists are comfortable
              > > > and passive sheep and/or are
              > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
              > > > However, on the other hand,
              > > > ECKists are stressed out as
              > > > well.
              > > >
              > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
              > > > Missionary's and give Service
              > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
              > > > the public) in order to advance
              > > > and/or to maintain their status
              > > > as official spokespersons.
              > > >
              > > > The Lip Service is when they
              > > > give the "official" presentations
              > > > which omit facts with the guise
              > > > of being "too much spiritual
              > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
              > > >
              > > > Come on, just tell them how
              > > > long it will probably take them
              > > > to become free of Karma or
              > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
              > > > how many more years (and
              > > > what's required) it should
              > > > take them to reach the 7th
              > > > initiation. Then tell them
              > > > how long it will be for them
              > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
              > > > maybe the RESA would know
              > > > that answer. LOL!
              > > >
              > > > Prometheus
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > From Dec, 2009:
              > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
              > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
              > > > be using an outdated photo.
              > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
              > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
              > > > This is more proof that HK has
              > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
              > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
              > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
              > > > attachment must be confusing.
              > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
              > > > to it all... they like the public
              > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
              > > > It's less embarrassing than the
              > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
              > > > in a state of denial because it's
              > > > comfortable and convenient
              > > > and EK Membership has become
              > > > habitual and ego driven.
              > > >
              > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
              > > > is actually required in order to
              > > > receive and keep initiations. The
              > > > reenrolling of one's membership
              > > > must become habitual or risk
              > > > losing the fake connection with
              > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
              > > > membership requirement. Thus,
              > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
              > > > fear driven.}
              > > >
              > > > Prometheus
              >
            • prometheus_973
              Hello Diana and All, Yes, the silliness began with Twitchell. That s why Gail and Patti were always giggling about good old fuddy-duddy Paul and his conman
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                Hello Diana and All,
                Yes, the silliness began
                with Twitchell. That's
                why Gail and Patti were
                always giggling about
                good old fuddy-duddy
                Paul and his conman
                antics, some, to hide
                his age [the joke was
                on them because Paul
                was older than they
                thought]. Other embellishments
                were used to promote
                himself... and yet this
                doesn't seem to be a
                problem for longtime
                H.I.s. When I found out
                about the foundation
                of the EK teachings and
                the liar Twitchell I just
                couldn't remain a follower.
                Truth means too much
                to me. Ask yourself,
                "What is Truth?"

                Klemp is as much the liar
                as Twitchell. He rationalizes
                it away by thinking that people
                need something to believe
                in and Eckankar gives them
                something that is, at least,
                less physically harmful to
                the world than many other
                religions. Of course, that's
                only because Eckankar doesn't
                have the members, money,
                and power that other religions
                have. Other than that it's
                a fraud and a waste of time.
                It creates delusional thinking
                and this inhibits clarity of
                mind and true, individual,
                "spiritual" progress.

                Prometheus



                "Diana Stanley" wrote:
                Eckankar is being reduced
                to sillyness. People who
                are trully seeking spiritual
                enlightenment will begin
                to leave. Those that are
                comfortable with authority
                and rules and regulations
                will hang on.

                Much like the old churches
                some people feel safe if
                they are told how to get
                to heven and avoid hell.
                I imagin Harold is trying
                to incorporate the Eck
                teachings with christian
                beliefs as that is Harolds
                background.

                I am afraid it is a marrage
                that is doomed to failure.
                Hopefully sooner than later.
                Diana


                <prometheus wrote:
                >
                > Hello Diana and All,
                > Klemp cares about
                > the more youthful
                > image he's projecting
                > in the PR brochures
                > and his official pic
                > displayed in EK Centers
                > and at Intros because
                > it appeals to younger
                > people more than his
                > old real life image does!
                >
                > Thus, more suckers
                > are attracted to the
                > bait and switch packaging
                > versus the reality which
                > would repel them. LOL!
                >
                > At a Seminar (after
                > seeing Klemp) they
                > simply decide to stay
                > until he gets done talking.
                > Klemp was never too
                > photogenic anyway but
                > now he's really getting
                > pathetic looking... as
                > a Mahanta/God!
                >
                > Really, how can Eckists
                > believe in or talk about
                > the ECK Masters like
                > Rebazar, who are
                > supposedly over 500
                > years old and still maintain
                > a physical body, when
                > Klemp claims to be the
                > greatest and most spiritually
                > advanced Mahanta ever!
                > Yet, he's wasting away!
                > It doesn't make sense if
                > it was true! The truth is
                > there are No ECK Masters
                > and Klemp is a phony!
                >
                > Pretend can be fun and
                > the imagination can make
                > the mundane magical,
                > it's an escape, and it can
                > be used (as lies) to explain
                > things in mythological and
                > unscientific terms because
                > science can't explain it
                > away with concrete analysis
                > and proven facts. Besides,
                > would most people listen?
                > Therefore, the ECK Masters
                > are as imagined as the
                > characters in Harry Potter,
                > or the Lord of the Rings,
                > et al.
                >
                > Thus, if Eckankar was for
                > real Klemp wouldn't be
                > aging and rapidly! He'd
                > look like Rebazar or one
                > of the other portraits of
                > those fake ECK Masters.
                >
                > Funny that the artist who
                > did the latest ECK Master
                > portraits made them look
                > younger than Klemp's real-
                > time current photo (not the
                > embellished portrait)! Just
                > go the eckankar.org and
                > see for yourself! It's comical!
                >
                > Prometheus
                >
                >
                > dianastanley wrote:
                > I don't understand why
                > he cares what he looks
                > like he never hardly ever
                > makes public appearences.
                > Maybe he has a double
                > to do all public pr work!!!
                > Diana
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > <prometheus wrote:
                > >
                > > Hello Diana and All,
                > > At one time Klemp tried
                > > contact lens but eventually
                > > switched back to glasses.
                > > I'm told he received some
                > > criticism, from H.I.s via
                > > chelas, that contacts were
                > > more of a vanity issue than
                > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
                > > can't have their mealy looking
                > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
                > > appearance because that
                > > would indicate other frauds
                > > might be taking place and
                > > perpetuated. LOL!
                > >
                > > However, I've also read that
                > > contacts can offer people
                > > better vision than glasses,
                > > but maybe that was just
                > > a slanted PR story to sell
                > > a product like Eckankar
                > > does.
                > >
                > > I'm assuming that this is
                > > why Klemp won't dye his
                > > hair or get hair plugs. I
                > > wonder what else Klemp
                > > does, or doesn't do, that
                > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
                > > or commando?
                > >
                > > Prometheus
                > >
                > > dianastanley wrote:
                > > maybe he should try botox
                > > or a face lift. It would be
                > > a miricale that he got his
                > > youth back!
                > > Diana
                > >
                > >
                > > <prometheus wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hello All,
                > > > This is simply more proof
                > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
                > > >
                > > > It's come to my attention
                > > > that Klemp is still using
                > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
                > > > "Official Photo" which is
                > > > to be displayed at ECK
                > > > functions and EK Centers.
                > > >
                > > > WHY? Really, why is this
                > > > being done?
                > > >
                > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
                > > > with his aging?
                > > >
                > > > On the front page of the
                > > > September, 2011 "The
                > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
                > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
                > > >
                > > > However, if one looks at
                > > > the back page where "The
                > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
                > > > there is the older "Official
                > > > Photo" depicting a younger
                > > > looking Klemp.
                > > >
                > > > Is the real and present day
                > > > photo depicting the Outer
                > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
                > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
                > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
                > > > Klemp's rationale for this
                > > > subliminal trickery?
                > > >
                > > > Really, I don't think that this
                > > > issue has ever been addressed
                > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
                > > > to ask such questions without
                > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
                > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
                > > >
                > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
                > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
                > > > and imagine differently as you
                > > > like it?
                > > >
                > > > This photo switch is simply
                > > > another trick that Klemp uses
                > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
                > > > abilities of his followers so they
                > > > can feel good about their religion
                > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
                > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
                > > >
                > > > This denial of the obvious is
                > > > why ECKists are comfortable
                > > > and passive sheep and/or are
                > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
                > > > However, on the other hand,
                > > > ECKists are stressed out as
                > > > well.
                > > >
                > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
                > > > Missionary's and give Service
                > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
                > > > the public) in order to advance
                > > > and/or to maintain their status
                > > > as official spokespersons.
                > > >
                > > > The Lip Service is when they
                > > > give the "official" presentations
                > > > which omit facts with the guise
                > > > of being "too much spiritual
                > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
                > > >
                > > > Come on, just tell them how
                > > > long it will probably take them
                > > > to become free of Karma or
                > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
                > > > how many more years (and
                > > > what's required) it should
                > > > take them to reach the 7th
                > > > initiation. Then tell them
                > > > how long it will be for them
                > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
                > > > maybe the RESA would know
                > > > that answer. LOL!
                > > >
                > > > Prometheus
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > From Dec, 2009:
                > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
                > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
                > > > be using an outdated photo.
                > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
                > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
                > > > This is more proof that HK has
                > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
                > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
                > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
                > > > attachment must be confusing.
                > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
                > > > to it all... they like the public
                > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
                > > > It's less embarrassing than the
                > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
                > > > in a state of denial because it's
                > > > comfortable and convenient
                > > > and EK Membership has become
                > > > habitual and ego driven.
                > > >
                > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
                > > > is actually required in order to
                > > > receive and keep initiations. The
                > > > reenrolling of one's membership
                > > > must become habitual or risk
                > > > losing the fake connection with
                > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
                > > > membership requirement. Thus,
                > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
                > > > fear driven.}
                > > >
                > > > Prometheus
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