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Klemp's Vanity - His Wisdom Notes and EK Brochure Photo

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  • prometheus_973
    Hello All, This is simply more proof of Eckankar s deceptions. It s come to my attention that Klemp is still using a 10-15 old photo as his Official Photo
    Message 1 of 21 , Nov 3, 2011
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      Hello All,
      This is simply more proof
      of Eckankar's deceptions.

      It's come to my attention
      that Klemp is still using
      a 10-15 old photo as his
      "Official Photo" which is
      to be displayed at ECK
      functions and EK Centers.

      WHY? Really, why is this
      being done?

      Isn't Klemp comfortable
      with his aging?

      On the front page of the
      September, 2011 "The
      Mystic World of ECKankar"
      is a current photo of Klemp.

      However, if one looks at
      the back page where "The
      Wisdom Notes" are given
      there is the older "Official
      Photo" depicting a younger
      looking Klemp.

      Is the real and present day
      photo depicting the Outer
      LEM while the "Official (past)
      Photo" depicting the Inner
      Master/Mahanta? Is that
      Klemp's rationale for this
      subliminal trickery?

      Really, I don't think that this
      issue has ever been addressed
      since ECKists aren't permitted
      to ask such questions without
      risking reprisals by their RESAs
      or via the ESC (Klemp).

      But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
      Is it anything one wants to deny
      and imagine differently as you
      like it?

      This photo switch is simply
      another trick that Klemp uses
      to cloud the minds and reasoning
      abilities of his followers so they
      can feel good about their religion
      of pretend Masters, Initiations,
      and Planes of Consciousness.

      This denial of the obvious is
      why ECKists are comfortable
      and passive sheep and/or are
      chickens in the EK hen house.
      However, on the other hand,
      ECKists are stressed out as
      well.

      ECKists must be Vahanas/
      Missionary's and give Service
      to Klemp (and Lip Service to
      the public) in order to advance
      and/or to maintain their status
      as official spokespersons.

      The Lip Service is when they
      give the "official" presentations
      which omit facts with the guise
      of being "too much spiritual
      food" for the seeker to handle.

      Come on, just tell them how
      long it will probably take them
      to become free of Karma or
      reach the 5th initiation! And,
      how many more years (and
      what's required) it should
      take them to reach the 7th
      initiation. Then tell them
      how long it will be for them
      to reach the 8th initiation...
      maybe the RESA would know
      that answer. LOL!

      Prometheus



      From Dec, 2009:
      Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
      master" (a Mahanta) would still
      be using an outdated photo.
      This shows that Klemp is attached
      to KAL's lower plane influences.
      This is more proof that HK has
      fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
      that he ever had it). Still, for some
      ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
      attachment must be confusing.
      Others simply turn a Blind Eye
      to it all... they like the public
      seeing the younger looking photo.
      It's less embarrassing than the
      real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
      in a state of denial because it's
      comfortable and convenient
      and EK Membership has become
      habitual and ego driven.

      {Note: Annual EK Membership
      is actually required in order to
      receive and keep initiations. The
      reenrolling of one's membership
      must become habitual or risk
      losing the fake connection with
      the Inner via the outer monetary
      membership requirement. Thus,
      EK membership is ego, as well as,
      fear driven.}

      Prometheus
    • Diana Stanley
      maybe he should try botox or a face lift. It would be a miricale that he got his youth back! Diana
      Message 2 of 21 , Nov 4, 2011
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        maybe he should try botox or a face lift. It would be a miricale that he got his youth back!
        Diana

        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hello All,
        > This is simply more proof
        > of Eckankar's deceptions.
        >
        > It's come to my attention
        > that Klemp is still using
        > a 10-15 old photo as his
        > "Official Photo" which is
        > to be displayed at ECK
        > functions and EK Centers.
        >
        > WHY? Really, why is this
        > being done?
        >
        > Isn't Klemp comfortable
        > with his aging?
        >
        > On the front page of the
        > September, 2011 "The
        > Mystic World of ECKankar"
        > is a current photo of Klemp.
        >
        > However, if one looks at
        > the back page where "The
        > Wisdom Notes" are given
        > there is the older "Official
        > Photo" depicting a younger
        > looking Klemp.
        >
        > Is the real and present day
        > photo depicting the Outer
        > LEM while the "Official (past)
        > Photo" depicting the Inner
        > Master/Mahanta? Is that
        > Klemp's rationale for this
        > subliminal trickery?
        >
        > Really, I don't think that this
        > issue has ever been addressed
        > since ECKists aren't permitted
        > to ask such questions without
        > risking reprisals by their RESAs
        > or via the ESC (Klemp).
        >
        > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
        > Is it anything one wants to deny
        > and imagine differently as you
        > like it?
        >
        > This photo switch is simply
        > another trick that Klemp uses
        > to cloud the minds and reasoning
        > abilities of his followers so they
        > can feel good about their religion
        > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
        > and Planes of Consciousness.
        >
        > This denial of the obvious is
        > why ECKists are comfortable
        > and passive sheep and/or are
        > chickens in the EK hen house.
        > However, on the other hand,
        > ECKists are stressed out as
        > well.
        >
        > ECKists must be Vahanas/
        > Missionary's and give Service
        > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
        > the public) in order to advance
        > and/or to maintain their status
        > as official spokespersons.
        >
        > The Lip Service is when they
        > give the "official" presentations
        > which omit facts with the guise
        > of being "too much spiritual
        > food" for the seeker to handle.
        >
        > Come on, just tell them how
        > long it will probably take them
        > to become free of Karma or
        > reach the 5th initiation! And,
        > how many more years (and
        > what's required) it should
        > take them to reach the 7th
        > initiation. Then tell them
        > how long it will be for them
        > to reach the 8th initiation...
        > maybe the RESA would know
        > that answer. LOL!
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
        >
        >
        > From Dec, 2009:
        > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
        > master" (a Mahanta) would still
        > be using an outdated photo.
        > This shows that Klemp is attached
        > to KAL's lower plane influences.
        > This is more proof that HK has
        > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
        > that he ever had it). Still, for some
        > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
        > attachment must be confusing.
        > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
        > to it all... they like the public
        > seeing the younger looking photo.
        > It's less embarrassing than the
        > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
        > in a state of denial because it's
        > comfortable and convenient
        > and EK Membership has become
        > habitual and ego driven.
        >
        > {Note: Annual EK Membership
        > is actually required in order to
        > receive and keep initiations. The
        > reenrolling of one's membership
        > must become habitual or risk
        > losing the fake connection with
        > the Inner via the outer monetary
        > membership requirement. Thus,
        > EK membership is ego, as well as,
        > fear driven.}
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
      • prometheus_973
        Hello Diana and All, At one time Klemp tried contact lens but eventually switched back to glasses. I m told he received some criticism, from H.I.s via chelas,
        Message 3 of 21 , Nov 4, 2011
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          Hello Diana and All,
          At one time Klemp tried
          contact lens but eventually
          switched back to glasses.
          I'm told he received some
          criticism, from H.I.s via
          chelas, that contacts were
          more of a vanity issue than
          a sight/vision issue. ECKists
          can't have their mealy looking
          Mahanta project a fraudulent
          appearance because that
          would indicate other frauds
          might be taking place and
          perpetuated. LOL!

          However, I've also read that
          contacts can offer people
          better vision than glasses,
          but maybe that was just
          a slanted PR story to sell
          a product like Eckankar
          does.

          I'm assuming that this is
          why Klemp won't dye his
          hair or get hair plugs. I
          wonder what else Klemp
          does, or doesn't do, that
          is natural? Boxers, briefs,
          or commando?

          Prometheus

          dianastanley wrote:
          maybe he should try botox
          or a face lift. It would be
          a miricale that he got his
          youth back!
          Diana


          <prometheus wrote:
          >
          > Hello All,
          > This is simply more proof
          > of Eckankar's deceptions.
          >
          > It's come to my attention
          > that Klemp is still using
          > a 10-15 old photo as his
          > "Official Photo" which is
          > to be displayed at ECK
          > functions and EK Centers.
          >
          > WHY? Really, why is this
          > being done?
          >
          > Isn't Klemp comfortable
          > with his aging?
          >
          > On the front page of the
          > September, 2011 "The
          > Mystic World of ECKankar"
          > is a current photo of Klemp.
          >
          > However, if one looks at
          > the back page where "The
          > Wisdom Notes" are given
          > there is the older "Official
          > Photo" depicting a younger
          > looking Klemp.
          >
          > Is the real and present day
          > photo depicting the Outer
          > LEM while the "Official (past)
          > Photo" depicting the Inner
          > Master/Mahanta? Is that
          > Klemp's rationale for this
          > subliminal trickery?
          >
          > Really, I don't think that this
          > issue has ever been addressed
          > since ECKists aren't permitted
          > to ask such questions without
          > risking reprisals by their RESAs
          > or via the ESC (Klemp).
          >
          > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
          > Is it anything one wants to deny
          > and imagine differently as you
          > like it?
          >
          > This photo switch is simply
          > another trick that Klemp uses
          > to cloud the minds and reasoning
          > abilities of his followers so they
          > can feel good about their religion
          > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
          > and Planes of Consciousness.
          >
          > This denial of the obvious is
          > why ECKists are comfortable
          > and passive sheep and/or are
          > chickens in the EK hen house.
          > However, on the other hand,
          > ECKists are stressed out as
          > well.
          >
          > ECKists must be Vahanas/
          > Missionary's and give Service
          > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
          > the public) in order to advance
          > and/or to maintain their status
          > as official spokespersons.
          >
          > The Lip Service is when they
          > give the "official" presentations
          > which omit facts with the guise
          > of being "too much spiritual
          > food" for the seeker to handle.
          >
          > Come on, just tell them how
          > long it will probably take them
          > to become free of Karma or
          > reach the 5th initiation! And,
          > how many more years (and
          > what's required) it should
          > take them to reach the 7th
          > initiation. Then tell them
          > how long it will be for them
          > to reach the 8th initiation...
          > maybe the RESA would know
          > that answer. LOL!
          >
          > Prometheus
          >
          >
          >
          > From Dec, 2009:
          > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
          > master" (a Mahanta) would still
          > be using an outdated photo.
          > This shows that Klemp is attached
          > to KAL's lower plane influences.
          > This is more proof that HK has
          > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
          > that he ever had it). Still, for some
          > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
          > attachment must be confusing.
          > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
          > to it all... they like the public
          > seeing the younger looking photo.
          > It's less embarrassing than the
          > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
          > in a state of denial because it's
          > comfortable and convenient
          > and EK Membership has become
          > habitual and ego driven.
          >
          > {Note: Annual EK Membership
          > is actually required in order to
          > receive and keep initiations. The
          > reenrolling of one's membership
          > must become habitual or risk
          > losing the fake connection with
          > the Inner via the outer monetary
          > membership requirement. Thus,
          > EK membership is ego, as well as,
          > fear driven.}
          >
          > Prometheus
        • Diana Stanley
          I don t understand why he cares what he looks like he never hardly ever makes public appearences. Maybe he has a double to do all public pr work!!! Diana
          Message 4 of 21 , Nov 6, 2011
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            I don't understand why he cares what he looks like he never hardly ever makes public appearences. Maybe he has a double to do all public pr work!!!
            Diana



            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hello Diana and All,
            > At one time Klemp tried
            > contact lens but eventually
            > switched back to glasses.
            > I'm told he received some
            > criticism, from H.I.s via
            > chelas, that contacts were
            > more of a vanity issue than
            > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
            > can't have their mealy looking
            > Mahanta project a fraudulent
            > appearance because that
            > would indicate other frauds
            > might be taking place and
            > perpetuated. LOL!
            >
            > However, I've also read that
            > contacts can offer people
            > better vision than glasses,
            > but maybe that was just
            > a slanted PR story to sell
            > a product like Eckankar
            > does.
            >
            > I'm assuming that this is
            > why Klemp won't dye his
            > hair or get hair plugs. I
            > wonder what else Klemp
            > does, or doesn't do, that
            > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
            > or commando?
            >
            > Prometheus
            >
            > dianastanley wrote:
            > maybe he should try botox
            > or a face lift. It would be
            > a miricale that he got his
            > youth back!
            > Diana
            >
            >
            > <prometheus wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello All,
            > > This is simply more proof
            > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
            > >
            > > It's come to my attention
            > > that Klemp is still using
            > > a 10-15 old photo as his
            > > "Official Photo" which is
            > > to be displayed at ECK
            > > functions and EK Centers.
            > >
            > > WHY? Really, why is this
            > > being done?
            > >
            > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
            > > with his aging?
            > >
            > > On the front page of the
            > > September, 2011 "The
            > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
            > > is a current photo of Klemp.
            > >
            > > However, if one looks at
            > > the back page where "The
            > > Wisdom Notes" are given
            > > there is the older "Official
            > > Photo" depicting a younger
            > > looking Klemp.
            > >
            > > Is the real and present day
            > > photo depicting the Outer
            > > LEM while the "Official (past)
            > > Photo" depicting the Inner
            > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
            > > Klemp's rationale for this
            > > subliminal trickery?
            > >
            > > Really, I don't think that this
            > > issue has ever been addressed
            > > since ECKists aren't permitted
            > > to ask such questions without
            > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
            > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
            > >
            > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
            > > Is it anything one wants to deny
            > > and imagine differently as you
            > > like it?
            > >
            > > This photo switch is simply
            > > another trick that Klemp uses
            > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
            > > abilities of his followers so they
            > > can feel good about their religion
            > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
            > > and Planes of Consciousness.
            > >
            > > This denial of the obvious is
            > > why ECKists are comfortable
            > > and passive sheep and/or are
            > > chickens in the EK hen house.
            > > However, on the other hand,
            > > ECKists are stressed out as
            > > well.
            > >
            > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
            > > Missionary's and give Service
            > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
            > > the public) in order to advance
            > > and/or to maintain their status
            > > as official spokespersons.
            > >
            > > The Lip Service is when they
            > > give the "official" presentations
            > > which omit facts with the guise
            > > of being "too much spiritual
            > > food" for the seeker to handle.
            > >
            > > Come on, just tell them how
            > > long it will probably take them
            > > to become free of Karma or
            > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
            > > how many more years (and
            > > what's required) it should
            > > take them to reach the 7th
            > > initiation. Then tell them
            > > how long it will be for them
            > > to reach the 8th initiation...
            > > maybe the RESA would know
            > > that answer. LOL!
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > From Dec, 2009:
            > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
            > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
            > > be using an outdated photo.
            > > This shows that Klemp is attached
            > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
            > > This is more proof that HK has
            > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
            > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
            > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
            > > attachment must be confusing.
            > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
            > > to it all... they like the public
            > > seeing the younger looking photo.
            > > It's less embarrassing than the
            > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
            > > in a state of denial because it's
            > > comfortable and convenient
            > > and EK Membership has become
            > > habitual and ego driven.
            > >
            > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
            > > is actually required in order to
            > > receive and keep initiations. The
            > > reenrolling of one's membership
            > > must become habitual or risk
            > > losing the fake connection with
            > > the Inner via the outer monetary
            > > membership requirement. Thus,
            > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
            > > fear driven.}
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            >
          • prometheus_973
            Hello Diana and All, Klemp cares about the more youthful image he s projecting in the PR brochures and his official pic displayed in EK Centers and at Intros
            Message 5 of 21 , Nov 7, 2011
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              Hello Diana and All,
              Klemp cares about
              the more youthful
              image he's projecting
              in the PR brochures
              and his official pic
              displayed in EK Centers
              and at Intros because
              it appeals to younger
              people more than his
              old real life image does!

              Thus, more suckers
              are attracted to the
              bait and switch packaging
              versus the reality which
              would repel them. LOL!

              At a Seminar (after
              seeing Klemp) they
              simply decide to stay
              until he gets done talking.
              Klemp was never too
              photogenic anyway but
              now he's really getting
              pathetic looking... as
              a Mahanta/God!

              Really, how can Eckists
              believe in or talk about
              the ECK Masters like
              Rebazar, who are
              supposedly over 500
              years old and still maintain
              a physical body, when
              Klemp claims to be the
              greatest and most spiritually
              advanced Mahanta ever!
              Yet, he's wasting away!
              It doesn't make sense if
              it was true! The truth is
              there are No ECK Masters
              and Klemp is a phony!

              Pretend can be fun and
              the imagination can make
              the mundane magical,
              it's an escape, and it can
              be used (as lies) to explain
              things in mythological and
              unscientific terms because
              science can't explain it
              away with concrete analysis
              and proven facts. Besides,
              would most people listen?
              Therefore, the ECK Masters
              are as imagined as the
              characters in Harry Potter,
              or the Lord of the Rings,
              et al.

              Thus, if Eckankar was for
              real Klemp wouldn't be
              aging and rapidly! He'd
              look like Rebazar or one
              of the other portraits of
              those fake ECK Masters.

              Funny that the artist who
              did the latest ECK Master
              portraits made them look
              younger than Klemp's real-
              time current photo (not the
              embellished portrait)! Just
              go the eckankar.org and
              see for yourself! It's comical!

              Prometheus


              dianastanley wrote:
              I don't understand why
              he cares what he looks
              like he never hardly ever
              makes public appearences.
              Maybe he has a double
              to do all public pr work!!!
              Diana




              <prometheus wrote:
              >
              > Hello Diana and All,
              > At one time Klemp tried
              > contact lens but eventually
              > switched back to glasses.
              > I'm told he received some
              > criticism, from H.I.s via
              > chelas, that contacts were
              > more of a vanity issue than
              > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
              > can't have their mealy looking
              > Mahanta project a fraudulent
              > appearance because that
              > would indicate other frauds
              > might be taking place and
              > perpetuated. LOL!
              >
              > However, I've also read that
              > contacts can offer people
              > better vision than glasses,
              > but maybe that was just
              > a slanted PR story to sell
              > a product like Eckankar
              > does.
              >
              > I'm assuming that this is
              > why Klemp won't dye his
              > hair or get hair plugs. I
              > wonder what else Klemp
              > does, or doesn't do, that
              > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
              > or commando?
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              > dianastanley wrote:
              > maybe he should try botox
              > or a face lift. It would be
              > a miricale that he got his
              > youth back!
              > Diana
              >
              >
              > <prometheus wrote:
              > >
              > > Hello All,
              > > This is simply more proof
              > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
              > >
              > > It's come to my attention
              > > that Klemp is still using
              > > a 10-15 old photo as his
              > > "Official Photo" which is
              > > to be displayed at ECK
              > > functions and EK Centers.
              > >
              > > WHY? Really, why is this
              > > being done?
              > >
              > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
              > > with his aging?
              > >
              > > On the front page of the
              > > September, 2011 "The
              > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
              > > is a current photo of Klemp.
              > >
              > > However, if one looks at
              > > the back page where "The
              > > Wisdom Notes" are given
              > > there is the older "Official
              > > Photo" depicting a younger
              > > looking Klemp.
              > >
              > > Is the real and present day
              > > photo depicting the Outer
              > > LEM while the "Official (past)
              > > Photo" depicting the Inner
              > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
              > > Klemp's rationale for this
              > > subliminal trickery?
              > >
              > > Really, I don't think that this
              > > issue has ever been addressed
              > > since ECKists aren't permitted
              > > to ask such questions without
              > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
              > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
              > >
              > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
              > > Is it anything one wants to deny
              > > and imagine differently as you
              > > like it?
              > >
              > > This photo switch is simply
              > > another trick that Klemp uses
              > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
              > > abilities of his followers so they
              > > can feel good about their religion
              > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
              > > and Planes of Consciousness.
              > >
              > > This denial of the obvious is
              > > why ECKists are comfortable
              > > and passive sheep and/or are
              > > chickens in the EK hen house.
              > > However, on the other hand,
              > > ECKists are stressed out as
              > > well.
              > >
              > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
              > > Missionary's and give Service
              > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
              > > the public) in order to advance
              > > and/or to maintain their status
              > > as official spokespersons.
              > >
              > > The Lip Service is when they
              > > give the "official" presentations
              > > which omit facts with the guise
              > > of being "too much spiritual
              > > food" for the seeker to handle.
              > >
              > > Come on, just tell them how
              > > long it will probably take them
              > > to become free of Karma or
              > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
              > > how many more years (and
              > > what's required) it should
              > > take them to reach the 7th
              > > initiation. Then tell them
              > > how long it will be for them
              > > to reach the 8th initiation...
              > > maybe the RESA would know
              > > that answer. LOL!
              > >
              > > Prometheus
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > From Dec, 2009:
              > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
              > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
              > > be using an outdated photo.
              > > This shows that Klemp is attached
              > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
              > > This is more proof that HK has
              > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
              > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
              > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
              > > attachment must be confusing.
              > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
              > > to it all... they like the public
              > > seeing the younger looking photo.
              > > It's less embarrassing than the
              > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
              > > in a state of denial because it's
              > > comfortable and convenient
              > > and EK Membership has become
              > > habitual and ego driven.
              > >
              > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
              > > is actually required in order to
              > > receive and keep initiations. The
              > > reenrolling of one's membership
              > > must become habitual or risk
              > > losing the fake connection with
              > > the Inner via the outer monetary
              > > membership requirement. Thus,
              > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
              > > fear driven.}
              > >
              > > Prometheus
            • Diana Stanley
              Eckankar is being reduced to sillyness. People who are trully seeking spiritual enlightenment will begin to leave. Those that are comfortable with authority
              Message 6 of 21 , Nov 9, 2011
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                Eckankar is being reduced to sillyness. People who are trully seeking spiritual enlightenment will begin to leave. Those that are comfortable with authority and rules and regulations will hang on.
                Much like the old churches some people feel safe if they are told how to get to heven and avoid hell.
                I imagin Harold is trying to incorporate the Eck teachings with christian beliefs as that is Harolds background.
                I am afraid it is a marrage that is doomed to failure. Hopefully sooner than later.
                Diana

                --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hello Diana and All,
                > Klemp cares about
                > the more youthful
                > image he's projecting
                > in the PR brochures
                > and his official pic
                > displayed in EK Centers
                > and at Intros because
                > it appeals to younger
                > people more than his
                > old real life image does!
                >
                > Thus, more suckers
                > are attracted to the
                > bait and switch packaging
                > versus the reality which
                > would repel them. LOL!
                >
                > At a Seminar (after
                > seeing Klemp) they
                > simply decide to stay
                > until he gets done talking.
                > Klemp was never too
                > photogenic anyway but
                > now he's really getting
                > pathetic looking... as
                > a Mahanta/God!
                >
                > Really, how can Eckists
                > believe in or talk about
                > the ECK Masters like
                > Rebazar, who are
                > supposedly over 500
                > years old and still maintain
                > a physical body, when
                > Klemp claims to be the
                > greatest and most spiritually
                > advanced Mahanta ever!
                > Yet, he's wasting away!
                > It doesn't make sense if
                > it was true! The truth is
                > there are No ECK Masters
                > and Klemp is a phony!
                >
                > Pretend can be fun and
                > the imagination can make
                > the mundane magical,
                > it's an escape, and it can
                > be used (as lies) to explain
                > things in mythological and
                > unscientific terms because
                > science can't explain it
                > away with concrete analysis
                > and proven facts. Besides,
                > would most people listen?
                > Therefore, the ECK Masters
                > are as imagined as the
                > characters in Harry Potter,
                > or the Lord of the Rings,
                > et al.
                >
                > Thus, if Eckankar was for
                > real Klemp wouldn't be
                > aging and rapidly! He'd
                > look like Rebazar or one
                > of the other portraits of
                > those fake ECK Masters.
                >
                > Funny that the artist who
                > did the latest ECK Master
                > portraits made them look
                > younger than Klemp's real-
                > time current photo (not the
                > embellished portrait)! Just
                > go the eckankar.org and
                > see for yourself! It's comical!
                >
                > Prometheus
                >
                >
                > dianastanley wrote:
                > I don't understand why
                > he cares what he looks
                > like he never hardly ever
                > makes public appearences.
                > Maybe he has a double
                > to do all public pr work!!!
                > Diana
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > <prometheus wrote:
                > >
                > > Hello Diana and All,
                > > At one time Klemp tried
                > > contact lens but eventually
                > > switched back to glasses.
                > > I'm told he received some
                > > criticism, from H.I.s via
                > > chelas, that contacts were
                > > more of a vanity issue than
                > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
                > > can't have their mealy looking
                > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
                > > appearance because that
                > > would indicate other frauds
                > > might be taking place and
                > > perpetuated. LOL!
                > >
                > > However, I've also read that
                > > contacts can offer people
                > > better vision than glasses,
                > > but maybe that was just
                > > a slanted PR story to sell
                > > a product like Eckankar
                > > does.
                > >
                > > I'm assuming that this is
                > > why Klemp won't dye his
                > > hair or get hair plugs. I
                > > wonder what else Klemp
                > > does, or doesn't do, that
                > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
                > > or commando?
                > >
                > > Prometheus
                > >
                > > dianastanley wrote:
                > > maybe he should try botox
                > > or a face lift. It would be
                > > a miricale that he got his
                > > youth back!
                > > Diana
                > >
                > >
                > > <prometheus wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hello All,
                > > > This is simply more proof
                > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
                > > >
                > > > It's come to my attention
                > > > that Klemp is still using
                > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
                > > > "Official Photo" which is
                > > > to be displayed at ECK
                > > > functions and EK Centers.
                > > >
                > > > WHY? Really, why is this
                > > > being done?
                > > >
                > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
                > > > with his aging?
                > > >
                > > > On the front page of the
                > > > September, 2011 "The
                > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
                > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
                > > >
                > > > However, if one looks at
                > > > the back page where "The
                > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
                > > > there is the older "Official
                > > > Photo" depicting a younger
                > > > looking Klemp.
                > > >
                > > > Is the real and present day
                > > > photo depicting the Outer
                > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
                > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
                > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
                > > > Klemp's rationale for this
                > > > subliminal trickery?
                > > >
                > > > Really, I don't think that this
                > > > issue has ever been addressed
                > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
                > > > to ask such questions without
                > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
                > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
                > > >
                > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
                > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
                > > > and imagine differently as you
                > > > like it?
                > > >
                > > > This photo switch is simply
                > > > another trick that Klemp uses
                > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
                > > > abilities of his followers so they
                > > > can feel good about their religion
                > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
                > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
                > > >
                > > > This denial of the obvious is
                > > > why ECKists are comfortable
                > > > and passive sheep and/or are
                > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
                > > > However, on the other hand,
                > > > ECKists are stressed out as
                > > > well.
                > > >
                > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
                > > > Missionary's and give Service
                > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
                > > > the public) in order to advance
                > > > and/or to maintain their status
                > > > as official spokespersons.
                > > >
                > > > The Lip Service is when they
                > > > give the "official" presentations
                > > > which omit facts with the guise
                > > > of being "too much spiritual
                > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
                > > >
                > > > Come on, just tell them how
                > > > long it will probably take them
                > > > to become free of Karma or
                > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
                > > > how many more years (and
                > > > what's required) it should
                > > > take them to reach the 7th
                > > > initiation. Then tell them
                > > > how long it will be for them
                > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
                > > > maybe the RESA would know
                > > > that answer. LOL!
                > > >
                > > > Prometheus
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > From Dec, 2009:
                > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
                > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
                > > > be using an outdated photo.
                > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
                > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
                > > > This is more proof that HK has
                > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
                > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
                > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
                > > > attachment must be confusing.
                > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
                > > > to it all... they like the public
                > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
                > > > It's less embarrassing than the
                > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
                > > > in a state of denial because it's
                > > > comfortable and convenient
                > > > and EK Membership has become
                > > > habitual and ego driven.
                > > >
                > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
                > > > is actually required in order to
                > > > receive and keep initiations. The
                > > > reenrolling of one's membership
                > > > must become habitual or risk
                > > > losing the fake connection with
                > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
                > > > membership requirement. Thus,
                > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
                > > > fear driven.}
                > > >
                > > > Prometheus
                >
              • prometheus_973
                Hello Diana and All, Yes, the silliness began with Twitchell. That s why Gail and Patti were always giggling about good old fuddy-duddy Paul and his conman
                Message 7 of 21 , Nov 9, 2011
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                  Hello Diana and All,
                  Yes, the silliness began
                  with Twitchell. That's
                  why Gail and Patti were
                  always giggling about
                  good old fuddy-duddy
                  Paul and his conman
                  antics, some, to hide
                  his age [the joke was
                  on them because Paul
                  was older than they
                  thought]. Other embellishments
                  were used to promote
                  himself... and yet this
                  doesn't seem to be a
                  problem for longtime
                  H.I.s. When I found out
                  about the foundation
                  of the EK teachings and
                  the liar Twitchell I just
                  couldn't remain a follower.
                  Truth means too much
                  to me. Ask yourself,
                  "What is Truth?"

                  Klemp is as much the liar
                  as Twitchell. He rationalizes
                  it away by thinking that people
                  need something to believe
                  in and Eckankar gives them
                  something that is, at least,
                  less physically harmful to
                  the world than many other
                  religions. Of course, that's
                  only because Eckankar doesn't
                  have the members, money,
                  and power that other religions
                  have. Other than that it's
                  a fraud and a waste of time.
                  It creates delusional thinking
                  and this inhibits clarity of
                  mind and true, individual,
                  "spiritual" progress.

                  Prometheus



                  "Diana Stanley" wrote:
                  Eckankar is being reduced
                  to sillyness. People who
                  are trully seeking spiritual
                  enlightenment will begin
                  to leave. Those that are
                  comfortable with authority
                  and rules and regulations
                  will hang on.

                  Much like the old churches
                  some people feel safe if
                  they are told how to get
                  to heven and avoid hell.
                  I imagin Harold is trying
                  to incorporate the Eck
                  teachings with christian
                  beliefs as that is Harolds
                  background.

                  I am afraid it is a marrage
                  that is doomed to failure.
                  Hopefully sooner than later.
                  Diana


                  <prometheus wrote:
                  >
                  > Hello Diana and All,
                  > Klemp cares about
                  > the more youthful
                  > image he's projecting
                  > in the PR brochures
                  > and his official pic
                  > displayed in EK Centers
                  > and at Intros because
                  > it appeals to younger
                  > people more than his
                  > old real life image does!
                  >
                  > Thus, more suckers
                  > are attracted to the
                  > bait and switch packaging
                  > versus the reality which
                  > would repel them. LOL!
                  >
                  > At a Seminar (after
                  > seeing Klemp) they
                  > simply decide to stay
                  > until he gets done talking.
                  > Klemp was never too
                  > photogenic anyway but
                  > now he's really getting
                  > pathetic looking... as
                  > a Mahanta/God!
                  >
                  > Really, how can Eckists
                  > believe in or talk about
                  > the ECK Masters like
                  > Rebazar, who are
                  > supposedly over 500
                  > years old and still maintain
                  > a physical body, when
                  > Klemp claims to be the
                  > greatest and most spiritually
                  > advanced Mahanta ever!
                  > Yet, he's wasting away!
                  > It doesn't make sense if
                  > it was true! The truth is
                  > there are No ECK Masters
                  > and Klemp is a phony!
                  >
                  > Pretend can be fun and
                  > the imagination can make
                  > the mundane magical,
                  > it's an escape, and it can
                  > be used (as lies) to explain
                  > things in mythological and
                  > unscientific terms because
                  > science can't explain it
                  > away with concrete analysis
                  > and proven facts. Besides,
                  > would most people listen?
                  > Therefore, the ECK Masters
                  > are as imagined as the
                  > characters in Harry Potter,
                  > or the Lord of the Rings,
                  > et al.
                  >
                  > Thus, if Eckankar was for
                  > real Klemp wouldn't be
                  > aging and rapidly! He'd
                  > look like Rebazar or one
                  > of the other portraits of
                  > those fake ECK Masters.
                  >
                  > Funny that the artist who
                  > did the latest ECK Master
                  > portraits made them look
                  > younger than Klemp's real-
                  > time current photo (not the
                  > embellished portrait)! Just
                  > go the eckankar.org and
                  > see for yourself! It's comical!
                  >
                  > Prometheus
                  >
                  >
                  > dianastanley wrote:
                  > I don't understand why
                  > he cares what he looks
                  > like he never hardly ever
                  > makes public appearences.
                  > Maybe he has a double
                  > to do all public pr work!!!
                  > Diana
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > <prometheus wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Hello Diana and All,
                  > > At one time Klemp tried
                  > > contact lens but eventually
                  > > switched back to glasses.
                  > > I'm told he received some
                  > > criticism, from H.I.s via
                  > > chelas, that contacts were
                  > > more of a vanity issue than
                  > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
                  > > can't have their mealy looking
                  > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
                  > > appearance because that
                  > > would indicate other frauds
                  > > might be taking place and
                  > > perpetuated. LOL!
                  > >
                  > > However, I've also read that
                  > > contacts can offer people
                  > > better vision than glasses,
                  > > but maybe that was just
                  > > a slanted PR story to sell
                  > > a product like Eckankar
                  > > does.
                  > >
                  > > I'm assuming that this is
                  > > why Klemp won't dye his
                  > > hair or get hair plugs. I
                  > > wonder what else Klemp
                  > > does, or doesn't do, that
                  > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
                  > > or commando?
                  > >
                  > > Prometheus
                  > >
                  > > dianastanley wrote:
                  > > maybe he should try botox
                  > > or a face lift. It would be
                  > > a miricale that he got his
                  > > youth back!
                  > > Diana
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > <prometheus wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Hello All,
                  > > > This is simply more proof
                  > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
                  > > >
                  > > > It's come to my attention
                  > > > that Klemp is still using
                  > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
                  > > > "Official Photo" which is
                  > > > to be displayed at ECK
                  > > > functions and EK Centers.
                  > > >
                  > > > WHY? Really, why is this
                  > > > being done?
                  > > >
                  > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
                  > > > with his aging?
                  > > >
                  > > > On the front page of the
                  > > > September, 2011 "The
                  > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
                  > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
                  > > >
                  > > > However, if one looks at
                  > > > the back page where "The
                  > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
                  > > > there is the older "Official
                  > > > Photo" depicting a younger
                  > > > looking Klemp.
                  > > >
                  > > > Is the real and present day
                  > > > photo depicting the Outer
                  > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
                  > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
                  > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
                  > > > Klemp's rationale for this
                  > > > subliminal trickery?
                  > > >
                  > > > Really, I don't think that this
                  > > > issue has ever been addressed
                  > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
                  > > > to ask such questions without
                  > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
                  > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
                  > > >
                  > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
                  > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
                  > > > and imagine differently as you
                  > > > like it?
                  > > >
                  > > > This photo switch is simply
                  > > > another trick that Klemp uses
                  > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
                  > > > abilities of his followers so they
                  > > > can feel good about their religion
                  > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
                  > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
                  > > >
                  > > > This denial of the obvious is
                  > > > why ECKists are comfortable
                  > > > and passive sheep and/or are
                  > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
                  > > > However, on the other hand,
                  > > > ECKists are stressed out as
                  > > > well.
                  > > >
                  > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
                  > > > Missionary's and give Service
                  > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
                  > > > the public) in order to advance
                  > > > and/or to maintain their status
                  > > > as official spokespersons.
                  > > >
                  > > > The Lip Service is when they
                  > > > give the "official" presentations
                  > > > which omit facts with the guise
                  > > > of being "too much spiritual
                  > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
                  > > >
                  > > > Come on, just tell them how
                  > > > long it will probably take them
                  > > > to become free of Karma or
                  > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
                  > > > how many more years (and
                  > > > what's required) it should
                  > > > take them to reach the 7th
                  > > > initiation. Then tell them
                  > > > how long it will be for them
                  > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
                  > > > maybe the RESA would know
                  > > > that answer. LOL!
                  > > >
                  > > > Prometheus
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > From Dec, 2009:
                  > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
                  > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
                  > > > be using an outdated photo.
                  > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
                  > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
                  > > > This is more proof that HK has
                  > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
                  > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
                  > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
                  > > > attachment must be confusing.
                  > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
                  > > > to it all... they like the public
                  > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
                  > > > It's less embarrassing than the
                  > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
                  > > > in a state of denial because it's
                  > > > comfortable and convenient
                  > > > and EK Membership has become
                  > > > habitual and ego driven.
                  > > >
                  > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
                  > > > is actually required in order to
                  > > > receive and keep initiations. The
                  > > > reenrolling of one's membership
                  > > > must become habitual or risk
                  > > > losing the fake connection with
                  > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
                  > > > membership requirement. Thus,
                  > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
                  > > > fear driven.}
                  > > >
                  > > > Prometheus
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