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  • Non
    This reminds me of the current bombardment of Mormon TV ads. All of these persons in the ads try to convince you of how wonderful and normal their lives are
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 27, 2011
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      This reminds me of the current bombardment of Mormon TV ads. All of these persons in the ads try to convince you of how wonderful and normal their lives are and the last statement they say is "...and I am Mormon". Ekists will do the same thing at first, a wolf in sheep's clothing, hiding their bizarre beliefs.

      As far as ekankar curing all that ails you? No, in fact It often seems to me that there is more of a sense of additional suffering when things don't go well, especially health problems. It's kind of like what happened with Steve Jobs. At one point in his life he believed that he didn't need to shower because of his vegan diet and spiritual beliefs even though his coworkers had filed complaints. His beliefs may have opened up a wealth of creativity, but I think he was already a creative guy and very intelligent. This did not make him the most compassionate of persons, from what I understand about his Biography, even though he was supposedly a Zen Buddhist. He was also prone to a similar MAGIKAL thinking that ekists fall for. Steve Jobs tried psychics, some kind of macro vegan diet, acupuncture, etc., when it is quite possible that he was fortunate to have had the type of pancreatic cancer that could have been cured with surgery, but he didn't like the idea of someone cutting his body open.

      My experience with some ekists though, is that when push comes to shove, they go with what their doctors tell them they should do, especially if their spouse has anything to say about it. It's "as if" they have a split personality. That can't feel very good.

      It's all just MAGIKAL thinking that ekankar and klemp do anything, but may in fact cause a form of suffering by keeping them in a state of delusional self-contempt and anxiety, as they can't really live up to expectations that are always out of reach. Without true compassion, life is just kind of miserable IMHO. To err is Human and life is just not that easy, even for the richest guy in the cemetery.

      noneckster ; )

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Would anybody like to
      > comment upon PT's and,
      > now, Klemp's snake-oil
      > remedies for all that ail
      > you?
      >
      >
      > ******************************
      > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
      > Next Step on the Road Home
      > to God
      >
      >
      > Experience the miracle of
      > spiritual growth A true spiritual
      > teaching makes a link between
      > God and you. And it provides
      > a guide to help make your
      > journey as easy and direct
      > as possible.
      >
      > Eckankar has an inner and
      > outer living guide. He has
      > made the journey into the
      > heart of God but has returned
      > to help us on our way to Self-
      > Realization and, ultimately,
      > God-Realization. This guide
      > is the Mahanta, the Living
      > ECK Master.
      >
      > The next step on your
      > spiritual journey can be
      > linking up with him through
      > membership in Eckankar.
      > You will then experience
      > the awesome miracle of
      > advanced spiritual growth—
      > a life of joy, meaning, and
      > creativity.
      >
      > Who are the members of Eckankar?
      >
      > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
      > come from all walks of life.
      > ECKists are homemakers,
      > businesspeople, and retirees.
      > They are professionals, educators,
      > scientists, and farmers. They
      > come from all age-groups, a
      > ll races and nationalities, and
      > all religious backgrounds.
      >
      > Like most people, ECKists
      > have families, careers, and
      > daily struggles. They live
      > a life of joyful participation
      > in the mainstream of society.
      >
      > ECKists know they're responsible
      > for their own experiences in
      > life. They know tomorrow is
      > the result of today's thoughts,
      > feelings, and actions. They
      > also know that giving love
      > and service to their family
      > and community is one way
      > to increase their understanding
      > of God's love.
      >
      > More about membership in
      > Eckankar:
      >
      > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
      > your highest spiritual potential.
      > See the bigger picture of life.
      > Explore the many facets of
      > divine truth.
      >
      > Discourses—Take the next
      > step on your spiritual journey.
      > Study at home or in classes.
      >
      > Initiations—Climb the stairway
      > to spiritual freedom through
      > the ECK initiations—the direct
      > link between Soul and Divine
      > Spirit.
      >
      > ECK Activities—Worship services,
      > introductory presentations,
      > book discussion classes, seminars,
      > spiritual fellowship.
      >
      > Membership Facts—Individual
      > and family memberships, publications,
      > youth study.
      >
      > ***************************************
      >
      > BTW- I found this info on:
      > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
      > listed on a FB site:
      >
      > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
      >
    • prometheus_973
      Hello Non and All, Yes, it seems Klemp is mimicking the Mormon ads kinda like the 100th monkey! Eckankar, Mormonism and Scientology have a few similarities...
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 28, 2011
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        Hello Non and All,
        Yes, it seems Klemp
        is mimicking the
        Mormon ads kinda
        like the 100th monkey!

        Eckankar, Mormonism
        and Scientology have
        a few similarities...
        except for the number
        of members thanks to
        Klemp... that reclusive
        and impotent little weasel
        of a Mahanta/God/Inner
        Master.

        Inner communication
        never actually worked,
        except, in one's mind
        via dreams. Proof? Why
        aren't there "Inner EK
        Seminars" where H.I.s
        are at least attending
        via "lucid dreaming"...
        which is still a 4th Mental
        Plane function! Or, how
        about the "Direct Projection"
        method of Soul Travel?

        There's no "next step"
        with Eckankar... only
        old promises that were
        never realized via objective
        standards. EK "stories"
        need "outer written"
        approval not "inner"
        approval.

        There is no "Inner"
        Eckankar! But, Eckists
        will continue to buy into
        the lie because it's all
        they have and it feels
        good... like an old pair
        of shoes that you're still
        attached to and won't
        throw out. Klemp still
        has ECKists focusing
        upon the 6th Astral Chakra,
        the Tisra Til (Third Eye),
        versus the 7th Crown
        Chakra when HUing.
        What's with that after
        30 years with Klemp?

        As for Steve Jobs...
        yes, he regretted doing
        the New Age Homeopathic
        thing and waiting too
        long for traditional treatment.
        It reminded me of Klemp's
        advice to his oldest brother,
        Duane, who died of cancer
        in the mid 1980's. Klemp
        told Duane that he should
        go to Mexico for Laetrile
        treatments.

        BTW- How can Klemp
        be the real Mahanta when
        Eckankar's Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
        Book One states that the
        Mahanta has a Virgin Birth
        and Klemp had an older
        brother? Check the index
        on "Mahanta, birth of"
        for the page number.

        True, many Eckists do
        go to traditional doctors,
        but many don't. These
        will emulate Klemp in
        everything they do. Look
        at those with EMR/EMF
        problems just like Klemp
        has! ECKies think HK is
        "all knowing," and according
        to the PR he (the Mahanta)
        should be, but every
        now-and-then he'll make
        a Catch-22 disclaimer
        by saying he's "not perfect"
        which is odd since the
        "GOD" that people of
        other religions worship
        is perfect! Although, Klemp
        claims this God is merely
        a 2nd or 4th Plane God
        (Kal, i.e. Satan or Devil)
        while he is of the 14th
        Plane of Consciousness.
        [See page 385 of Klemp's
        "Autobiography of a Modern
        Prophet"]

        This is just one more little
        tid-bit of info that ECKists
        tend to Not share, especially,
        at introductory talks or when
        rubbing shoulders (infiltrating)
        with those from other "spiritual"
        paths.

        Prometheus


        "Non" eckchains wrote:

        This reminds me of the
        current bombardment
        of Mormon TV ads. All
        of these persons in the
        ads try to convince you
        of how wonderful and
        normal their lives are
        and the last statement
        they say is "...and I am
        Mormon". Ekists will do
        the same thing at first,
        a wolf in sheep's clothing,
        hiding their bizarre beliefs.

        As far as ekankar curing
        all that ails you? No, in
        fact It often seems to me
        that there is more of a
        sense of additional suffering
        when things don't go well,
        especially health problems.
        It's kind of like what happened
        with Steve Jobs. At one point
        in his life he believed that
        he didn't need to shower
        because of his vegan diet
        and spiritual beliefs even
        though his coworkers had
        filed complaints.

        His beliefs may have opened
        up a wealth of creativity, but
        I think he was already a creative
        guy and very intelligent. This
        did not make him the most
        compassionate of persons,
        from what I understand about
        his Biography, even though
        he was supposedly a Zen
        Buddhist. He was also prone
        to a similar MAGIKAL thinking
        that ekists fall for.

        Steve Jobs tried psychics,
        some kind of macro vegan
        diet, acupuncture, etc., when
        it is quite possible that he
        was fortunate to have had
        the type of pancreatic cancer
        that could have been cured
        with surgery, but he didn't
        like the idea of someone
        cutting his body open.

        My experience with some
        ekists though, is that when
        push comes to shove, they
        go with what their doctors
        tell them they should do,
        especially if their spouse
        has anything to say about it.
        It's "as if" they have a split
        personality. That can't feel
        very good.

        It's all just MAGIKAL thinking
        that ekankar and klemp do
        anything, but may in fact
        cause a form of suffering
        by keeping them in a state
        of delusional self-contempt
        and anxiety, as they can't
        really live up to expectations
        that are always out of reach.
        Without true compassion,
        life is just kind of miserable
        IMHO. To err is Human and
        life is just not that easy, even
        for the richest guy in the
        cemetery.

        noneckster ; )

        prometheus wrote:
        >
        > Would anybody like to
        > comment upon PT's and,
        > now, Klemp's snake-oil
        > remedies for all that ail
        > you?
        >
        >
        > ******************************
        > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
        > Next Step on the Road Home
        > to God
        >
        >
        > Experience the miracle of
        > spiritual growth A true spiritual
        > teaching makes a link between
        > God and you. And it provides
        > a guide to help make your
        > journey as easy and direct
        > as possible.
        >
        > Eckankar has an inner and
        > outer living guide. He has
        > made the journey into the
        > heart of God but has returned
        > to help us on our way to Self-
        > Realization and, ultimately,
        > God-Realization. This guide
        > is the Mahanta, the Living
        > ECK Master.
        >
        > The next step on your
        > spiritual journey can be
        > linking up with him through
        > membership in Eckankar.
        > You will then experience
        > the awesome miracle of
        > advanced spiritual growth—
        > a life of joy, meaning, and
        > creativity.
        >
        > Who are the members of Eckankar?
        >
        > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
        > come from all walks of life.
        > ECKists are homemakers,
        > businesspeople, and retirees.
        > They are professionals, educators,
        > scientists, and farmers. They
        > come from all age-groups, all
        > races and nationalities, and
        > all religious backgrounds.
        >
        > Like most people, ECKists
        > have families, careers, and
        > daily struggles. They live
        > a life of joyful participation
        > in the mainstream of society.
        >
        > ECKists know they're responsible
        > for their own experiences in
        > life. They know tomorrow is
        > the result of today's thoughts,
        > feelings, and actions. They
        > also know that giving love
        > and service to their family
        > and community is one way
        > to increase their understanding
        > of God's love.
        >
        > More about membership in
        > Eckankar:
        >
        > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
        > your highest spiritual potential.
        > See the bigger picture of life.
        > Explore the many facets of
        > divine truth.
        >
        > Discourses—Take the next
        > step on your spiritual journey.
        > Study at home or in classes.
        >
        > Initiations—Climb the stairway
        > to spiritual freedom through
        > the ECK initiations—the direct
        > link between Soul and Divine
        > Spirit.
        >
        > ECK Activities—Worship services,
        > introductory presentations,
        > book discussion classes, seminars,
        > spiritual fellowship.
        >
        > Membership Facts—Individual
        > and family memberships, publications,
        > youth study.
        >
        > ***************************************
        >
        > BTW- I found this info on:
        > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
        > listed on a FB site:
        >
        > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
      • prometheus_973
        My comments on PT s and, now, Klemp s snake- oil remedies: ****************************** *Advanced Spiritual Study as a Next Step on the Road Home to God. ME:
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 29, 2011
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          My comments on PT's
          and, now, Klemp's snake-
          oil remedies:

          ******************************
          *Advanced Spiritual Study as
          a Next Step on the Road Home
          to God.

          ME: How did this become
          "advanced spiritual study"
          when Twitchell simply
          plagiarized and/or tweaked
          other religious myths, lies,
          and distortions?


          *Experience the miracle of
          spiritual growth. A true spiritual
          teaching makes a link between
          God and you. And it provides
          a guide to help make your
          journey as easy and direct
          as possible.

          ME: "Spiritual growth" via
          EK is an illusion, especially,
          after years and years of thinking,
          doing, and reading the same
          old crap that is merely presented
          in a new wrapper. Christianity
          has more grandiose "miracles"
          attributed to its teachings
          than does Eckankar via Klemp
          the "Mahanta." Klemp is certainly
          no inner "guide" and the Eckankar
          Guidelines and RESA structure
          Do Not make the "journey
          (through the initiations) easy!"
          Just the opposite... it's tedious!



          *Eckankar has an inner and
          outer living guide. He has
          made the journey into the
          heart of God but has returned
          to help us on our way to Self-
          Realization and, ultimately,
          God-Realization. This guide
          is the Mahanta, the Living
          ECK Master.

          ME: ECKists are taught to
          fixate upon the Mahanta
          during the day and to think
          of him at bedtime. It's no
          wonder that they have dreams
          with him appearing. Fixate
          on anything during the day
          and before bedtime and see
          for yourself what you dream
          about! BTW- How has Klemp
          "returned to help us" when
          he was initiated to his position
          in this lifetime and by a person
          he claims was a Black Magician
          (Darwin Gross)? Klemp even
          claimed to have planned the
          transition with Gross in a
          Sound Proof Dark Room where
          Klemp worked. Thus, if Eckankar
          is the Religion of the Light and
          Sound of God why was Light
          and Sound absent in HK's
          work environment and for
          the two meetings planning
          the transition and the Passing
          of the Rod of ECK Power?


          *The next step on your
          spiritual journey can be
          linking up with him through
          membership in Eckankar.
          You will then experience
          the awesome miracle of
          advanced spiritual growth—
          a life of joy, meaning, and
          creativity.

          ME: "Membership" is the key
          word. Klemp doesn't believe
          in "No Chela Left Behind."
          There is no free anything in
          Klemp's little world. Thus,
          ECKists have to maintain an
          outer paid membership or
          risk losing even their "inner
          initiations." Therefore, there
          are strings attached to this
          primary focus of EK membership.
          ECKists usually deny their
          desire to advance in initiations,
          but will tend to imagine
          themselves higher and more
          advanced with "inner" initiations.
          This is one of many Delusions
          that ECKists use in order to
          cope with Klemp's selfish desire
          to keep himself heads higher
          than any other ECKist! It's
          also a Power trip for Klemp
          since, before ECKankar, he
          was never in a position of power
          or of respect.


          *Who are the members of Eckankar?

          ME: Usually most are good people
          (some are narcissists and control
          freaks and have personality issues),
          but most are screwed up in other
          ways that only a religious belief
          of righteousness can instill.


          *Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
          come from all walks of life.
          ECKists are homemakers,
          businesspeople, and retirees.
          They are professionals, educators,
          scientists, and farmers. They
          come from all age-groups, all
          races and nationalities, and
          all religious backgrounds.

          ME: It's true that most ECKists
          simply replaced their old religion
          with this New Age one which
          is just as dogmatic and distorted.
          Most thought it was a "spiritual
          path" and overlooked the religious
          hierarchy with all the rules and
          requirements for advancement
          in consciousness via initiation.
          Actually there wasn't a problem
          with advancement until Klemp
          took over 30 years ago.


          *Like most people, ECKists
          have families, careers, and
          daily struggles. They live
          a life of joyful participation
          in the mainstream of society.

          ME: That's the problem. ECKists,
          who are H.I.s, are supposed to
          be higher in consciousness than
          the 4th Plane "God" that all of
          the other religions look to and
          pray to for guidance. Yet, they
          are just like everyone else and
          many are much more screwed
          up with their arrogance of having
          superiority via of a substituted
          delusional religious belief that
          is the "highest" and most advanced
          in the world. Then, again, this
          is how any member of any religion
          views others outside of their group.


          *ECKists know they're responsible
          for their own experiences in
          life. They know tomorrow is
          the result of today's thoughts,
          feelings, and actions. They
          also know that giving love
          and service to their family
          and community is one way
          to increase their understanding
          of God's love.

          ME: That's a distortion and a lie!
          ECKists know that their Mahanta
          belief takes priority over family.
          There are many ECKists that, for
          one reason or another, don't have
          anything to do with close family
          members and it's because of ECKankar!
          And, ECKists are encouraged to
          give "service" to ECKankar first
          and community second or third.
          Actually, "service" within the
          community is merely another
          missionary method they use
          in order to infiltrate groups,
          spread their teachings, and
          recruit new members. True,
          ECKists are responsible for all
          that befalls them. Klemp takes
          no responsibility for anything
          negative, although, in these
          lower worlds he shouldn't be
          taking credit for the "positive"
          either!


          *More about membership in
          Eckankar:

          ME: Yes, it's an annual paid
          membership that is required
          in order to advance and to
          maintain initiations.



          *Spiritual Benefits—Reach
          your highest spiritual potential.
          See the bigger picture of life.
          Explore the many facets of
          divine truth.

          ME: ECKankar has many
          Eastern ideas that most
          Western minds have not
          explored and this makes
          it seem unique and does
          get one to think and
          ponder new perspectives,
          however, it all needs to be
          digested with a grain of salt.
          In truth, no religious dogma
          can make these claims when
          the results of "spiritual growth"
          rests upon Soul/oneself.


          *Discourses—Take the next
          step on your spiritual journey.
          Study at home or in classes.

          ME: To become more indoctrinated
          and, thereby, to advance one
          must "re-study" the discourses
          (that Twitchell "compiled") in
          a class setting. This is where
          the dogma will be explained
          and clarified so that the student
          will come to know the parameters
          of this belief.


          *Initiations—Climb the stairway
          to spiritual freedom through
          the ECK initiations—the direct
          link between Soul and Divine
          Spirit.

          ME: The "stairway" for 99.99%
          of ECKists stops at the 7th initiation
          and this will take up a lot of ones
          free time and, now, about 35-40
          years. However, there is NO
          "spiritual freedom" as one advances
          up the stairway... just the opposite!
          One becomes more controlled
          by the RESA police and less free
          to think or say and do what you
          might want. All ECKists have been
          instructed Not to gossip, speak
          negatively, and to practice silence
          by going within for answers. The
          problem is always with the chela/
          student and not with the teachings
          or with the "Master." Klemp never
          takes responsibility for his lack
          of leadership or for not advancing
          the consciousness (via initiation)
          of his chelas and H.I.s.



          *ECK Activities—Worship services,
          introductory presentations, book
          discussion classes, seminars,
          spiritual fellowship.

          ME: One has to wonder who or
          what is "worshipped" at the Sunday
          ECK Worship Services (EWS)?
          Basically, it's just an excuse to
          get together like normal people
          (Christians) do on Sunday mornings.
          However, the EWS is more intended
          as a recruitment tool so that ECKists
          can invite family, friends, and
          colleagues to view how friendly
          and "normal" ECKists are. The EWS,
          also, serves as "spiritual fellowship"
          while giving people the opportunity
          to hone their presentation and
          facilitating skills. The intros offer
          the same opportunity to hone skills.
          The discussion classes are a means
          to an end and to become more
          indoctrinated via guidance through
          the dogma.


          *Membership Facts—Individual
          and family memberships, publications,
          youth study.

          ME: It's interesting that there are
          so many "Membership Facts" being
          omitted. It's an annual membership
          donation fee that is required or else
          one will not "advance." A membership
          card will be issued to you with your
          initiation number. A higher number,
          such as 7, is supposed to indicate
          that the EK member is very advanced
          spiritually (on the Inner), but may not
          show/demonstrate this in normal
          (outer) situations. Usually, however,
          ECKists only view other ECKists in
          controlled situations where everyone
          is on their best behaviour.

          Prometheus


          ***************************************

          BTW- I found this info on:
          http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
          listed on a FB site:

          https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
        • Diana Stanley
          I remember,when Darwin was the eck, that Gail had a seminar about SunaSu, that was a vitamin and protien supplement her an Paul had created, She talked Darwin
          Message 4 of 9 , Oct 30, 2011
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            I remember,when Darwin was the eck, that Gail had a seminar about SunaSu, that was a vitamin and protien supplement her an Paul had created, She talked Darwin into appearing and saying how great it was.
            It was supposed to be for the public. As you can imagine when the eckist heard about it we all showed up!!! By the way I recieved it free every month,so I could keep painting for them i guess. I did'nt take it as it made me sick. This is the first time I have revealed my dark little secret. Now I feel better. Are they still selling it by the way?
            Diana

            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Non" <eckchains@...> wrote:
            >
            > This reminds me of the current bombardment of Mormon TV ads. All of these persons in the ads try to convince you of how wonderful and normal their lives are and the last statement they say is "...and I am Mormon". Ekists will do the same thing at first, a wolf in sheep's clothing, hiding their bizarre beliefs.
            >
            > As far as ekankar curing all that ails you? No, in fact It often seems to me that there is more of a sense of additional suffering when things don't go well, especially health problems. It's kind of like what happened with Steve Jobs. At one point in his life he believed that he didn't need to shower because of his vegan diet and spiritual beliefs even though his coworkers had filed complaints. His beliefs may have opened up a wealth of creativity, but I think he was already a creative guy and very intelligent. This did not make him the most compassionate of persons, from what I understand about his Biography, even though he was supposedly a Zen Buddhist. He was also prone to a similar MAGIKAL thinking that ekists fall for. Steve Jobs tried psychics, some kind of macro vegan diet, acupuncture, etc., when it is quite possible that he was fortunate to have had the type of pancreatic cancer that could have been cured with surgery, but he didn't like the idea of someone cutting his body open.
            >
            > My experience with some ekists though, is that when push comes to shove, they go with what their doctors tell them they should do, especially if their spouse has anything to say about it. It's "as if" they have a split personality. That can't feel very good.
            >
            > It's all just MAGIKAL thinking that ekankar and klemp do anything, but may in fact cause a form of suffering by keeping them in a state of delusional self-contempt and anxiety, as they can't really live up to expectations that are always out of reach. Without true compassion, life is just kind of miserable IMHO. To err is Human and life is just not that easy, even for the richest guy in the cemetery.
            >
            > noneckster ; )
            >
            > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Would anybody like to
            > > comment upon PT's and,
            > > now, Klemp's snake-oil
            > > remedies for all that ail
            > > you?
            > >
            > >
            > > ******************************
            > > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
            > > Next Step on the Road Home
            > > to God
            > >
            > >
            > > Experience the miracle of
            > > spiritual growth A true spiritual
            > > teaching makes a link between
            > > God and you. And it provides
            > > a guide to help make your
            > > journey as easy and direct
            > > as possible.
            > >
            > > Eckankar has an inner and
            > > outer living guide. He has
            > > made the journey into the
            > > heart of God but has returned
            > > to help us on our way to Self-
            > > Realization and, ultimately,
            > > God-Realization. This guide
            > > is the Mahanta, the Living
            > > ECK Master.
            > >
            > > The next step on your
            > > spiritual journey can be
            > > linking up with him through
            > > membership in Eckankar.
            > > You will then experience
            > > the awesome miracle of
            > > advanced spiritual growth—
            > > a life of joy, meaning, and
            > > creativity.
            > >
            > > Who are the members of Eckankar?
            > >
            > > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
            > > come from all walks of life.
            > > ECKists are homemakers,
            > > businesspeople, and retirees.
            > > They are professionals, educators,
            > > scientists, and farmers. They
            > > come from all age-groups, a
            > > ll races and nationalities, and
            > > all religious backgrounds.
            > >
            > > Like most people, ECKists
            > > have families, careers, and
            > > daily struggles. They live
            > > a life of joyful participation
            > > in the mainstream of society.
            > >
            > > ECKists know they're responsible
            > > for their own experiences in
            > > life. They know tomorrow is
            > > the result of today's thoughts,
            > > feelings, and actions. They
            > > also know that giving love
            > > and service to their family
            > > and community is one way
            > > to increase their understanding
            > > of God's love.
            > >
            > > More about membership in
            > > Eckankar:
            > >
            > > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
            > > your highest spiritual potential.
            > > See the bigger picture of life.
            > > Explore the many facets of
            > > divine truth.
            > >
            > > Discourses—Take the next
            > > step on your spiritual journey.
            > > Study at home or in classes.
            > >
            > > Initiations—Climb the stairway
            > > to spiritual freedom through
            > > the ECK initiations—the direct
            > > link between Soul and Divine
            > > Spirit.
            > >
            > > ECK Activities—Worship services,
            > > introductory presentations,
            > > book discussion classes, seminars,
            > > spiritual fellowship.
            > >
            > > Membership Facts—Individual
            > > and family memberships, publications,
            > > youth study.
            > >
            > > ***************************************
            > >
            > > BTW- I found this info on:
            > > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
            > > listed on a FB site:
            > >
            > > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
            > >
            >
          • Diana Stanley
            I rmemeber a good friend of mine had a brother with cancer. Darwin told her if she would sleep with him he would cure him. She refused then Darwin said I
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              I rmemeber a good friend of mine had a brother with cancer. Darwin told her if she would sleep with him he would cure him. She refused then Darwin said "I couldn't cure him anyway! A brief moment of honesty!
              Harold would never do that, I don't think he is into sex. Hope the site is R rated!
              Diana, who should be blushing.

              --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hello Non and All,
              > Yes, it seems Klemp
              > is mimicking the
              > Mormon ads kinda
              > like the 100th monkey!
              >
              > Eckankar, Mormonism
              > and Scientology have
              > a few similarities...
              > except for the number
              > of members thanks to
              > Klemp... that reclusive
              > and impotent little weasel
              > of a Mahanta/God/Inner
              > Master.
              >
              > Inner communication
              > never actually worked,
              > except, in one's mind
              > via dreams. Proof? Why
              > aren't there "Inner EK
              > Seminars" where H.I.s
              > are at least attending
              > via "lucid dreaming"...
              > which is still a 4th Mental
              > Plane function! Or, how
              > about the "Direct Projection"
              > method of Soul Travel?
              >
              > There's no "next step"
              > with Eckankar... only
              > old promises that were
              > never realized via objective
              > standards. EK "stories"
              > need "outer written"
              > approval not "inner"
              > approval.
              >
              > There is no "Inner"
              > Eckankar! But, Eckists
              > will continue to buy into
              > the lie because it's all
              > they have and it feels
              > good... like an old pair
              > of shoes that you're still
              > attached to and won't
              > throw out. Klemp still
              > has ECKists focusing
              > upon the 6th Astral Chakra,
              > the Tisra Til (Third Eye),
              > versus the 7th Crown
              > Chakra when HUing.
              > What's with that after
              > 30 years with Klemp?
              >
              > As for Steve Jobs...
              > yes, he regretted doing
              > the New Age Homeopathic
              > thing and waiting too
              > long for traditional treatment.
              > It reminded me of Klemp's
              > advice to his oldest brother,
              > Duane, who died of cancer
              > in the mid 1980's. Klemp
              > told Duane that he should
              > go to Mexico for Laetrile
              > treatments.
              >
              > BTW- How can Klemp
              > be the real Mahanta when
              > Eckankar's Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
              > Book One states that the
              > Mahanta has a Virgin Birth
              > and Klemp had an older
              > brother? Check the index
              > on "Mahanta, birth of"
              > for the page number.
              >
              > True, many Eckists do
              > go to traditional doctors,
              > but many don't. These
              > will emulate Klemp in
              > everything they do. Look
              > at those with EMR/EMF
              > problems just like Klemp
              > has! ECKies think HK is
              > "all knowing," and according
              > to the PR he (the Mahanta)
              > should be, but every
              > now-and-then he'll make
              > a Catch-22 disclaimer
              > by saying he's "not perfect"
              > which is odd since the
              > "GOD" that people of
              > other religions worship
              > is perfect! Although, Klemp
              > claims this God is merely
              > a 2nd or 4th Plane God
              > (Kal, i.e. Satan or Devil)
              > while he is of the 14th
              > Plane of Consciousness.
              > [See page 385 of Klemp's
              > "Autobiography of a Modern
              > Prophet"]
              >
              > This is just one more little
              > tid-bit of info that ECKists
              > tend to Not share, especially,
              > at introductory talks or when
              > rubbing shoulders (infiltrating)
              > with those from other "spiritual"
              > paths.
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              >
              > "Non" eckchains wrote:
              >
              > This reminds me of the
              > current bombardment
              > of Mormon TV ads. All
              > of these persons in the
              > ads try to convince you
              > of how wonderful and
              > normal their lives are
              > and the last statement
              > they say is "...and I am
              > Mormon". Ekists will do
              > the same thing at first,
              > a wolf in sheep's clothing,
              > hiding their bizarre beliefs.
              >
              > As far as ekankar curing
              > all that ails you? No, in
              > fact It often seems to me
              > that there is more of a
              > sense of additional suffering
              > when things don't go well,
              > especially health problems.
              > It's kind of like what happened
              > with Steve Jobs. At one point
              > in his life he believed that
              > he didn't need to shower
              > because of his vegan diet
              > and spiritual beliefs even
              > though his coworkers had
              > filed complaints.
              >
              > His beliefs may have opened
              > up a wealth of creativity, but
              > I think he was already a creative
              > guy and very intelligent. This
              > did not make him the most
              > compassionate of persons,
              > from what I understand about
              > his Biography, even though
              > he was supposedly a Zen
              > Buddhist. He was also prone
              > to a similar MAGIKAL thinking
              > that ekists fall for.
              >
              > Steve Jobs tried psychics,
              > some kind of macro vegan
              > diet, acupuncture, etc., when
              > it is quite possible that he
              > was fortunate to have had
              > the type of pancreatic cancer
              > that could have been cured
              > with surgery, but he didn't
              > like the idea of someone
              > cutting his body open.
              >
              > My experience with some
              > ekists though, is that when
              > push comes to shove, they
              > go with what their doctors
              > tell them they should do,
              > especially if their spouse
              > has anything to say about it.
              > It's "as if" they have a split
              > personality. That can't feel
              > very good.
              >
              > It's all just MAGIKAL thinking
              > that ekankar and klemp do
              > anything, but may in fact
              > cause a form of suffering
              > by keeping them in a state
              > of delusional self-contempt
              > and anxiety, as they can't
              > really live up to expectations
              > that are always out of reach.
              > Without true compassion,
              > life is just kind of miserable
              > IMHO. To err is Human and
              > life is just not that easy, even
              > for the richest guy in the
              > cemetery.
              >
              > noneckster ; )
              >
              > prometheus wrote:
              > >
              > > Would anybody like to
              > > comment upon PT's and,
              > > now, Klemp's snake-oil
              > > remedies for all that ail
              > > you?
              > >
              > >
              > > ******************************
              > > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
              > > Next Step on the Road Home
              > > to God
              > >
              > >
              > > Experience the miracle of
              > > spiritual growth A true spiritual
              > > teaching makes a link between
              > > God and you. And it provides
              > > a guide to help make your
              > > journey as easy and direct
              > > as possible.
              > >
              > > Eckankar has an inner and
              > > outer living guide. He has
              > > made the journey into the
              > > heart of God but has returned
              > > to help us on our way to Self-
              > > Realization and, ultimately,
              > > God-Realization. This guide
              > > is the Mahanta, the Living
              > > ECK Master.
              > >
              > > The next step on your
              > > spiritual journey can be
              > > linking up with him through
              > > membership in Eckankar.
              > > You will then experience
              > > the awesome miracle of
              > > advanced spiritual growth—
              > > a life of joy, meaning, and
              > > creativity.
              > >
              > > Who are the members of Eckankar?
              > >
              > > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
              > > come from all walks of life.
              > > ECKists are homemakers,
              > > businesspeople, and retirees.
              > > They are professionals, educators,
              > > scientists, and farmers. They
              > > come from all age-groups, all
              > > races and nationalities, and
              > > all religious backgrounds.
              > >
              > > Like most people, ECKists
              > > have families, careers, and
              > > daily struggles. They live
              > > a life of joyful participation
              > > in the mainstream of society.
              > >
              > > ECKists know they're responsible
              > > for their own experiences in
              > > life. They know tomorrow is
              > > the result of today's thoughts,
              > > feelings, and actions. They
              > > also know that giving love
              > > and service to their family
              > > and community is one way
              > > to increase their understanding
              > > of God's love.
              > >
              > > More about membership in
              > > Eckankar:
              > >
              > > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
              > > your highest spiritual potential.
              > > See the bigger picture of life.
              > > Explore the many facets of
              > > divine truth.
              > >
              > > Discourses—Take the next
              > > step on your spiritual journey.
              > > Study at home or in classes.
              > >
              > > Initiations—Climb the stairway
              > > to spiritual freedom through
              > > the ECK initiations—the direct
              > > link between Soul and Divine
              > > Spirit.
              > >
              > > ECK Activities—Worship services,
              > > introductory presentations,
              > > book discussion classes, seminars,
              > > spiritual fellowship.
              > >
              > > Membership Facts—Individual
              > > and family memberships, publications,
              > > youth study.
              > >
              > > ***************************************
              > >
              > > BTW- I found this info on:
              > > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
              > > listed on a FB site:
              > >
              > > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
              >
            • Diana Stanley
              I don t believe in spiritual growth! we are conected to the universe as much as when we were born. Enlightenment is when we are councious that everything is
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                I don't believe in spiritual growth! we are conected to the universe as much as when we were born. Enlightenment is when we are councious that everything is everything.We are not sepperate from all that is. A truly enlightend person would not even realize it as it is the natural state of all that is. I spent many years after eck wondering How? and Why?. I came to the conclusion Just because!
                Diana


                --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
                >
                > My comments on PT's
                > and, now, Klemp's snake-
                > oil remedies:
                >
                > ******************************
                > *Advanced Spiritual Study as
                > a Next Step on the Road Home
                > to God.
                >
                > ME: How did this become
                > "advanced spiritual study"
                > when Twitchell simply
                > plagiarized and/or tweaked
                > other religious myths, lies,
                > and distortions?
                >
                >
                > *Experience the miracle of
                > spiritual growth. A true spiritual
                > teaching makes a link between
                > God and you. And it provides
                > a guide to help make your
                > journey as easy and direct
                > as possible.
                >
                > ME: "Spiritual growth" via
                > EK is an illusion, especially,
                > after years and years of thinking,
                > doing, and reading the same
                > old crap that is merely presented
                > in a new wrapper. Christianity
                > has more grandiose "miracles"
                > attributed to its teachings
                > than does Eckankar via Klemp
                > the "Mahanta." Klemp is certainly
                > no inner "guide" and the Eckankar
                > Guidelines and RESA structure
                > Do Not make the "journey
                > (through the initiations) easy!"
                > Just the opposite... it's tedious!
                >
                >
                >
                > *Eckankar has an inner and
                > outer living guide. He has
                > made the journey into the
                > heart of God but has returned
                > to help us on our way to Self-
                > Realization and, ultimately,
                > God-Realization. This guide
                > is the Mahanta, the Living
                > ECK Master.
                >
                > ME: ECKists are taught to
                > fixate upon the Mahanta
                > during the day and to think
                > of him at bedtime. It's no
                > wonder that they have dreams
                > with him appearing. Fixate
                > on anything during the day
                > and before bedtime and see
                > for yourself what you dream
                > about! BTW- How has Klemp
                > "returned to help us" when
                > he was initiated to his position
                > in this lifetime and by a person
                > he claims was a Black Magician
                > (Darwin Gross)? Klemp even
                > claimed to have planned the
                > transition with Gross in a
                > Sound Proof Dark Room where
                > Klemp worked. Thus, if Eckankar
                > is the Religion of the Light and
                > Sound of God why was Light
                > and Sound absent in HK's
                > work environment and for
                > the two meetings planning
                > the transition and the Passing
                > of the Rod of ECK Power?
                >
                >
                > *The next step on your
                > spiritual journey can be
                > linking up with him through
                > membership in Eckankar.
                > You will then experience
                > the awesome miracle of
                > advanced spiritual growth—
                > a life of joy, meaning, and
                > creativity.
                >
                > ME: "Membership" is the key
                > word. Klemp doesn't believe
                > in "No Chela Left Behind."
                > There is no free anything in
                > Klemp's little world. Thus,
                > ECKists have to maintain an
                > outer paid membership or
                > risk losing even their "inner
                > initiations." Therefore, there
                > are strings attached to this
                > primary focus of EK membership.
                > ECKists usually deny their
                > desire to advance in initiations,
                > but will tend to imagine
                > themselves higher and more
                > advanced with "inner" initiations.
                > This is one of many Delusions
                > that ECKists use in order to
                > cope with Klemp's selfish desire
                > to keep himself heads higher
                > than any other ECKist! It's
                > also a Power trip for Klemp
                > since, before ECKankar, he
                > was never in a position of power
                > or of respect.
                >
                >
                > *Who are the members of Eckankar?
                >
                > ME: Usually most are good people
                > (some are narcissists and control
                > freaks and have personality issues),
                > but most are screwed up in other
                > ways that only a religious belief
                > of righteousness can instill.
                >
                >
                > *Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
                > come from all walks of life.
                > ECKists are homemakers,
                > businesspeople, and retirees.
                > They are professionals, educators,
                > scientists, and farmers. They
                > come from all age-groups, all
                > races and nationalities, and
                > all religious backgrounds.
                >
                > ME: It's true that most ECKists
                > simply replaced their old religion
                > with this New Age one which
                > is just as dogmatic and distorted.
                > Most thought it was a "spiritual
                > path" and overlooked the religious
                > hierarchy with all the rules and
                > requirements for advancement
                > in consciousness via initiation.
                > Actually there wasn't a problem
                > with advancement until Klemp
                > took over 30 years ago.
                >
                >
                > *Like most people, ECKists
                > have families, careers, and
                > daily struggles. They live
                > a life of joyful participation
                > in the mainstream of society.
                >
                > ME: That's the problem. ECKists,
                > who are H.I.s, are supposed to
                > be higher in consciousness than
                > the 4th Plane "God" that all of
                > the other religions look to and
                > pray to for guidance. Yet, they
                > are just like everyone else and
                > many are much more screwed
                > up with their arrogance of having
                > superiority via of a substituted
                > delusional religious belief that
                > is the "highest" and most advanced
                > in the world. Then, again, this
                > is how any member of any religion
                > views others outside of their group.
                >
                >
                > *ECKists know they're responsible
                > for their own experiences in
                > life. They know tomorrow is
                > the result of today's thoughts,
                > feelings, and actions. They
                > also know that giving love
                > and service to their family
                > and community is one way
                > to increase their understanding
                > of God's love.
                >
                > ME: That's a distortion and a lie!
                > ECKists know that their Mahanta
                > belief takes priority over family.
                > There are many ECKists that, for
                > one reason or another, don't have
                > anything to do with close family
                > members and it's because of ECKankar!
                > And, ECKists are encouraged to
                > give "service" to ECKankar first
                > and community second or third.
                > Actually, "service" within the
                > community is merely another
                > missionary method they use
                > in order to infiltrate groups,
                > spread their teachings, and
                > recruit new members. True,
                > ECKists are responsible for all
                > that befalls them. Klemp takes
                > no responsibility for anything
                > negative, although, in these
                > lower worlds he shouldn't be
                > taking credit for the "positive"
                > either!
                >
                >
                > *More about membership in
                > Eckankar:
                >
                > ME: Yes, it's an annual paid
                > membership that is required
                > in order to advance and to
                > maintain initiations.
                >
                >
                >
                > *Spiritual Benefits—Reach
                > your highest spiritual potential.
                > See the bigger picture of life.
                > Explore the many facets of
                > divine truth.
                >
                > ME: ECKankar has many
                > Eastern ideas that most
                > Western minds have not
                > explored and this makes
                > it seem unique and does
                > get one to think and
                > ponder new perspectives,
                > however, it all needs to be
                > digested with a grain of salt.
                > In truth, no religious dogma
                > can make these claims when
                > the results of "spiritual growth"
                > rests upon Soul/oneself.
                >
                >
                > *Discourses—Take the next
                > step on your spiritual journey.
                > Study at home or in classes.
                >
                > ME: To become more indoctrinated
                > and, thereby, to advance one
                > must "re-study" the discourses
                > (that Twitchell "compiled") in
                > a class setting. This is where
                > the dogma will be explained
                > and clarified so that the student
                > will come to know the parameters
                > of this belief.
                >
                >
                > *Initiations—Climb the stairway
                > to spiritual freedom through
                > the ECK initiations—the direct
                > link between Soul and Divine
                > Spirit.
                >
                > ME: The "stairway" for 99.99%
                > of ECKists stops at the 7th initiation
                > and this will take up a lot of ones
                > free time and, now, about 35-40
                > years. However, there is NO
                > "spiritual freedom" as one advances
                > up the stairway... just the opposite!
                > One becomes more controlled
                > by the RESA police and less free
                > to think or say and do what you
                > might want. All ECKists have been
                > instructed Not to gossip, speak
                > negatively, and to practice silence
                > by going within for answers. The
                > problem is always with the chela/
                > student and not with the teachings
                > or with the "Master." Klemp never
                > takes responsibility for his lack
                > of leadership or for not advancing
                > the consciousness (via initiation)
                > of his chelas and H.I.s.
                >
                >
                >
                > *ECK Activities—Worship services,
                > introductory presentations, book
                > discussion classes, seminars,
                > spiritual fellowship.
                >
                > ME: One has to wonder who or
                > what is "worshipped" at the Sunday
                > ECK Worship Services (EWS)?
                > Basically, it's just an excuse to
                > get together like normal people
                > (Christians) do on Sunday mornings.
                > However, the EWS is more intended
                > as a recruitment tool so that ECKists
                > can invite family, friends, and
                > colleagues to view how friendly
                > and "normal" ECKists are. The EWS,
                > also, serves as "spiritual fellowship"
                > while giving people the opportunity
                > to hone their presentation and
                > facilitating skills. The intros offer
                > the same opportunity to hone skills.
                > The discussion classes are a means
                > to an end and to become more
                > indoctrinated via guidance through
                > the dogma.
                >
                >
                > *Membership Facts—Individual
                > and family memberships, publications,
                > youth study.
                >
                > ME: It's interesting that there are
                > so many "Membership Facts" being
                > omitted. It's an annual membership
                > donation fee that is required or else
                > one will not "advance." A membership
                > card will be issued to you with your
                > initiation number. A higher number,
                > such as 7, is supposed to indicate
                > that the EK member is very advanced
                > spiritually (on the Inner), but may not
                > show/demonstrate this in normal
                > (outer) situations. Usually, however,
                > ECKists only view other ECKists in
                > controlled situations where everyone
                > is on their best behaviour.
                >
                > Prometheus
                >
                >
                > ***************************************
                >
                > BTW- I found this info on:
                > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
                > listed on a FB site:
                >
                > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
                >
              • prometheus_973
                Hello Diana and All, Gail was as much the opportunist and scammer as Twitchell. Twit had his thing (Eckankar) and Gail wanted hers (Sunasu). However, I
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                  Hello Diana and All,
                  Gail was as much the
                  opportunist and scammer
                  as Twitchell. Twit had
                  his thing (Eckankar) and
                  Gail wanted hers (Sunasu).

                  However, I remember
                  reading where Paul told
                  ECKists not to be selling
                  Sunasu at ECK functions,
                  but that changed when
                  Darwin took over. Klemp
                  had to reenforce PT's rule
                  and expand it to include
                  all items because ECKists
                  tend to sell their New Age
                  products to other ECKists
                  and to even rely upon this
                  narrow market in order
                  to be successful...........
                  Klemp, later, told these
                  EK entrepreneurs that if
                  this was the case, then,
                  their products probably
                  weren't all that good to
                  begin with.

                  The irony:
                  This is exactly like it is
                  when selling Eckankar!
                  It's not that good of a
                  product and, therefore,
                  it has a narrow market
                  and a small following.

                  I believe that Gail sold
                  her Sunasu Company to
                  her sister, who lives in
                  California, and that it is
                  still sold to some extent
                  but is not a very big seller
                  nor is it distributed too
                  widely.

                  Prometheus

                  dianastanley wrote:
                  I remember, when Darwin
                  was the eck, that Gail had
                  a seminar about SunaSu,
                  that was a vitamin and
                  protien supplement her
                  an Paul had created, She
                  talked Darwin into appearing
                  and saying how great it
                  was. It was supposed to
                  be for the public. As you
                  can imagine when the
                  eckist heard about it we
                  all showed up!!! By the
                  way I recieved it free
                  every month, so I could
                  keep painting for them
                  i guess. I did'nt take it
                  as it made me sick. This
                  is the first time I have
                  revealed my dark little
                  secret. Now I feel better.
                  Are they still selling it
                  by the way?
                  Diana

                  "Non" <eckchains@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > This reminds me of the current bombardment of Mormon TV ads. All of these
                  persons in the ads try to convince you of how wonderful and normal their lives
                  are and the last statement they say is "...and I am Mormon". Ekists will do the
                  same thing at first, a wolf in sheep's clothing, hiding their bizarre beliefs.
                  >
                  > As far as ekankar curing all that ails you? No, in fact It often seems to me
                  that there is more of a sense of additional suffering when things don't go well,
                  especially health problems. It's kind of like what happened with Steve Jobs. At
                  one point in his life he believed that he didn't need to shower because of his
                  vegan diet and spiritual beliefs even though his coworkers had filed complaints.
                  His beliefs may have opened up a wealth of creativity, but I think he was
                  already a creative guy and very intelligent. This did not make him the most
                  compassionate of persons, from what I understand about his Biography, even
                  though he was supposedly a Zen Buddhist. He was also prone to a similar MAGIKAL
                  thinking that ekists fall for. Steve Jobs tried psychics, some kind of macro
                  vegan diet, acupuncture, etc., when it is quite possible that he was fortunate
                  to have had the type of pancreatic cancer that could have been cured with
                  surgery, but he didn't like the idea of someone cutting his body open.
                  >
                  > My experience with some ekists though, is that when push comes to shove, they
                  go with what their doctors tell them they should do, especially if their spouse
                  has anything to say about it. It's "as if" they have a split personality. That
                  can't feel very good.
                  >
                  > It's all just MAGIKAL thinking that ekankar and klemp do anything, but may in
                  fact cause a form of suffering by keeping them in a state of delusional
                  self-contempt and anxiety, as they can't really live up to expectations that are
                  always out of reach. Without true compassion, life is just kind of miserable
                  IMHO. To err is Human and life is just not that easy, even for the richest guy
                  in the cemetery.
                  >
                  > noneckster ; )
                  >
                  > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
                  <prometheus_973@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Would anybody like to
                  > > comment upon PT's and,
                  > > now, Klemp's snake-oil
                  > > remedies for all that ail
                  > > you?
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ******************************
                  > > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
                  > > Next Step on the Road Home
                  > > to God
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Experience the miracle of
                  > > spiritual growth A true spiritual
                  > > teaching makes a link between
                  > > God and you. And it provides
                  > > a guide to help make your
                  > > journey as easy and direct
                  > > as possible.
                  > >
                  > > Eckankar has an inner and
                  > > outer living guide. He has
                  > > made the journey into the
                  > > heart of God but has returned
                  > > to help us on our way to Self-
                  > > Realization and, ultimately,
                  > > God-Realization. This guide
                  > > is the Mahanta, the Living
                  > > ECK Master.
                  > >
                  > > The next step on your
                  > > spiritual journey can be
                  > > linking up with him through
                  > > membership in Eckankar.
                  > > You will then experience
                  > > the awesome miracle of
                  > > advanced spiritual growth—
                  > > a life of joy, meaning, and
                  > > creativity.
                  > >
                  > > Who are the members of Eckankar?
                  > >
                  > > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
                  > > come from all walks of life.
                  > > ECKists are homemakers,
                  > > businesspeople, and retirees.
                  > > They are professionals, educators,
                  > > scientists, and farmers. They
                  > > come from all age-groups, a
                  > > ll races and nationalities, and
                  > > all religious backgrounds.
                  > >
                  > > Like most people, ECKists
                  > > have families, careers, and
                  > > daily struggles. They live
                  > > a life of joyful participation
                  > > in the mainstream of society.
                  > >
                  > > ECKists know they're responsible
                  > > for their own experiences in
                  > > life. They know tomorrow is
                  > > the result of today's thoughts,
                  > > feelings, and actions. They
                  > > also know that giving love
                  > > and service to their family
                  > > and community is one way
                  > > to increase their understanding
                  > > of God's love.
                  > >
                  > > More about membership in
                  > > Eckankar:
                  > >
                  > > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
                  > > your highest spiritual potential.
                  > > See the bigger picture of life.
                  > > Explore the many facets of
                  > > divine truth.
                  > >
                  > > Discourses—Take the next
                  > > step on your spiritual journey.
                  > > Study at home or in classes.
                  > >
                  > > Initiations—Climb the stairway
                  > > to spiritual freedom through
                  > > the ECK initiations—the direct
                  > > link between Soul and Divine
                  > > Spirit.
                  > >
                  > > ECK Activities—Worship services,
                  > > introductory presentations,
                  > > book discussion classes, seminars,
                  > > spiritual fellowship.
                  > >
                  > > Membership Facts—Individual
                  > > and family memberships, publications,
                  > > youth study.
                  > >
                  > > ***************************************
                  > >
                  > > BTW- I found this info on:
                  > > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
                  > > listed on a FB site:
                  > >
                  > > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
                • Diana Stanley
                  I remember I had a friend in nutrition and investigated the ingreademts of sunasu and said it was a bad formular and many people would nt be able to tolorate
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                    I remember I had a friend in nutrition and investigated the ingreademts of sunasu and said it was a bad formular and many people would'nt be able to tolorate it. Remember "Herbs the magid healers" by Paul. I think they were trying to ty it into sunasu.
                    Diana
                    --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello Diana and All,
                    > Gail was as much the
                    > opportunist and scammer
                    > as Twitchell. Twit had
                    > his thing (Eckankar) and
                    > Gail wanted hers (Sunasu).
                    >
                    > However, I remember
                    > reading where Paul told
                    > ECKists not to be selling
                    > Sunasu at ECK functions,
                    > but that changed when
                    > Darwin took over. Klemp
                    > had to reenforce PT's rule
                    > and expand it to include
                    > all items because ECKists
                    > tend to sell their New Age
                    > products to other ECKists
                    > and to even rely upon this
                    > narrow market in order
                    > to be successful...........
                    > Klemp, later, told these
                    > EK entrepreneurs that if
                    > this was the case, then,
                    > their products probably
                    > weren't all that good to
                    > begin with.
                    >
                    > The irony:
                    > This is exactly like it is
                    > when selling Eckankar!
                    > It's not that good of a
                    > product and, therefore,
                    > it has a narrow market
                    > and a small following.
                    >
                    > I believe that Gail sold
                    > her Sunasu Company to
                    > her sister, who lives in
                    > California, and that it is
                    > still sold to some extent
                    > but is not a very big seller
                    > nor is it distributed too
                    > widely.
                    >
                    > Prometheus
                    >
                    > dianastanley wrote:
                    > I remember, when Darwin
                    > was the eck, that Gail had
                    > a seminar about SunaSu,
                    > that was a vitamin and
                    > protien supplement her
                    > an Paul had created, She
                    > talked Darwin into appearing
                    > and saying how great it
                    > was. It was supposed to
                    > be for the public. As you
                    > can imagine when the
                    > eckist heard about it we
                    > all showed up!!! By the
                    > way I recieved it free
                    > every month, so I could
                    > keep painting for them
                    > i guess. I did'nt take it
                    > as it made me sick. This
                    > is the first time I have
                    > revealed my dark little
                    > secret. Now I feel better.
                    > Are they still selling it
                    > by the way?
                    > Diana
                    >
                    > "Non" <eckchains@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > This reminds me of the current bombardment of Mormon TV ads. All of these
                    > persons in the ads try to convince you of how wonderful and normal their lives
                    > are and the last statement they say is "...and I am Mormon". Ekists will do the
                    > same thing at first, a wolf in sheep's clothing, hiding their bizarre beliefs.
                    > >
                    > > As far as ekankar curing all that ails you? No, in fact It often seems to me
                    > that there is more of a sense of additional suffering when things don't go well,
                    > especially health problems. It's kind of like what happened with Steve Jobs. At
                    > one point in his life he believed that he didn't need to shower because of his
                    > vegan diet and spiritual beliefs even though his coworkers had filed complaints.
                    > His beliefs may have opened up a wealth of creativity, but I think he was
                    > already a creative guy and very intelligent. This did not make him the most
                    > compassionate of persons, from what I understand about his Biography, even
                    > though he was supposedly a Zen Buddhist. He was also prone to a similar MAGIKAL
                    > thinking that ekists fall for. Steve Jobs tried psychics, some kind of macro
                    > vegan diet, acupuncture, etc., when it is quite possible that he was fortunate
                    > to have had the type of pancreatic cancer that could have been cured with
                    > surgery, but he didn't like the idea of someone cutting his body open.
                    > >
                    > > My experience with some ekists though, is that when push comes to shove, they
                    > go with what their doctors tell them they should do, especially if their spouse
                    > has anything to say about it. It's "as if" they have a split personality. That
                    > can't feel very good.
                    > >
                    > > It's all just MAGIKAL thinking that ekankar and klemp do anything, but may in
                    > fact cause a form of suffering by keeping them in a state of delusional
                    > self-contempt and anxiety, as they can't really live up to expectations that are
                    > always out of reach. Without true compassion, life is just kind of miserable
                    > IMHO. To err is Human and life is just not that easy, even for the richest guy
                    > in the cemetery.
                    > >
                    > > noneckster ; )
                    > >
                    > > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
                    > <prometheus_973@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Would anybody like to
                    > > > comment upon PT's and,
                    > > > now, Klemp's snake-oil
                    > > > remedies for all that ail
                    > > > you?
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ******************************
                    > > > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
                    > > > Next Step on the Road Home
                    > > > to God
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Experience the miracle of
                    > > > spiritual growth A true spiritual
                    > > > teaching makes a link between
                    > > > God and you. And it provides
                    > > > a guide to help make your
                    > > > journey as easy and direct
                    > > > as possible.
                    > > >
                    > > > Eckankar has an inner and
                    > > > outer living guide. He has
                    > > > made the journey into the
                    > > > heart of God but has returned
                    > > > to help us on our way to Self-
                    > > > Realization and, ultimately,
                    > > > God-Realization. This guide
                    > > > is the Mahanta, the Living
                    > > > ECK Master.
                    > > >
                    > > > The next step on your
                    > > > spiritual journey can be
                    > > > linking up with him through
                    > > > membership in Eckankar.
                    > > > You will then experience
                    > > > the awesome miracle of
                    > > > advanced spiritual growth—
                    > > > a life of joy, meaning, and
                    > > > creativity.
                    > > >
                    > > > Who are the members of Eckankar?
                    > > >
                    > > > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
                    > > > come from all walks of life.
                    > > > ECKists are homemakers,
                    > > > businesspeople, and retirees.
                    > > > They are professionals, educators,
                    > > > scientists, and farmers. They
                    > > > come from all age-groups, a
                    > > > ll races and nationalities, and
                    > > > all religious backgrounds.
                    > > >
                    > > > Like most people, ECKists
                    > > > have families, careers, and
                    > > > daily struggles. They live
                    > > > a life of joyful participation
                    > > > in the mainstream of society.
                    > > >
                    > > > ECKists know they're responsible
                    > > > for their own experiences in
                    > > > life. They know tomorrow is
                    > > > the result of today's thoughts,
                    > > > feelings, and actions. They
                    > > > also know that giving love
                    > > > and service to their family
                    > > > and community is one way
                    > > > to increase their understanding
                    > > > of God's love.
                    > > >
                    > > > More about membership in
                    > > > Eckankar:
                    > > >
                    > > > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
                    > > > your highest spiritual potential.
                    > > > See the bigger picture of life.
                    > > > Explore the many facets of
                    > > > divine truth.
                    > > >
                    > > > Discourses—Take the next
                    > > > step on your spiritual journey.
                    > > > Study at home or in classes.
                    > > >
                    > > > Initiations—Climb the stairway
                    > > > to spiritual freedom through
                    > > > the ECK initiations—the direct
                    > > > link between Soul and Divine
                    > > > Spirit.
                    > > >
                    > > > ECK Activities—Worship services,
                    > > > introductory presentations,
                    > > > book discussion classes, seminars,
                    > > > spiritual fellowship.
                    > > >
                    > > > Membership Facts—Individual
                    > > > and family memberships, publications,
                    > > > youth study.
                    > > >
                    > > > ***************************************
                    > > >
                    > > > BTW- I found this info on:
                    > > > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
                    > > > listed on a FB site:
                    > > >
                    > > > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
                    >
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