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  • prometheus_973
    Hello Tyson and All, I don t even know what duality or beyond duality means when coming from scamming religionists. These people talk out of both sides of
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 1, 2011
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      Hello Tyson and All,
      I don't even know what
      duality or beyond duality
      means when coming from
      scamming religionists.
      These people talk out of
      both sides of their mouth.
      They say what sounds "spiritual"
      or seems "profound" or
      logical because they claim
      to be enlightened authorities.
      But, they are hypocrites
      who love to twist and turn
      words to fit their greedy,
      self-serving, ego driven,
      power mongering agendas!

      The "Divine" might not even
      care about positive and negative
      traits, atoms, agendas, sex etc.

      Let's face one fact... mankind
      created and defined "God" in
      his own (man's) image. This
      Hindu stuff is just another
      view and explanation of
      cosmology like that from the
      Quran, Old Testament or of
      the Greek and Roman Gods,
      etc.

      As far as Anami goes, PT claims
      that the Anami Lok is where
      Sugmad resides and, yet, the
      Anami Lok is the 10th Plane.

      Therefore, SUGMAD resides
      on the 10th and Klemp (the
      Mahanta) on the 14th. I guess
      that makes Klemp Higher than
      Sugmad! So, why doesn't HE,
      HK, want to be worshipped?
      I guess little Harry is a humble
      God... right? I love it when he
      has a chela mention his humility.
      Humble people never have to
      bring up that word... it's a
      given that others simply "know."
      Therfore, Klemp (by printing
      these comments about his
      "humility") isn't!

      Yes, Twitchell used Hinduism,
      Sikhism, Christianity and theosophy
      etc. to create a hodge-podge New
      Age religion just as distorted, if
      not more so, as his sources.

      There is a lot of Sikhism (and
      Sikhism has Hindu roots) via
      Ruhani Satsang and Radasoami
      and "The Path of the Masters"
      in Eckankar. This book, more
      than any other, was Twitchell's
      blueprint for creating Eckankar.

      Remember, too, Twitchell
      followed Kirpal Singh, of Ruhani
      Satsang, for ten years, and
      Kirpal had PT's Tiger's Fang
      manuscript until he returned
      it in 1966. The Rebazar character
      took the place of Kirpal after
      he and Twitchell had a falling
      out due to Paul's embellishments.
      Paul thought it'd be okay to
      portray himself with special
      spiritual powers and consciousness
      as long as Kirpal was given
      even greater powers. But,
      Kirpal didn't buy into it. He
      saw through Twitchell scam
      and knew he had ulterior motives.

      Prometheus


      Tyson wrote:
      Harold and paul also claim
      that sugmad is beyond duality
      and that the universal mind
      (kal) is the negative pole of
      creation.

      Yet paul also uses the hindu
      name Anami Purusha as a
      manifestation of sugmad.

      I think it means inconcievable
      or unknowable purusha.
      The name purusha is actually
      a God that sometimes refers
      to the universe itself for the
      universe is the body of purusha.

      purusha is also considered
      to be represented as male
      thus I see duality in this.

      Prakita is the divine mother
      (matter) purusha is the divine
      father (spirit) when the two
      come together spirit enters
      matter (lila) thus the divine
      dance of creation begins.
      I dont think eckists would
      like to know that there name
      purusha came from what
      I consider a beautiful Hindu
      myth and they owe there
      creation to hinduism not
      the other way around.


      Prometheus wrote:
      Hello All,
      > FYI: When Harold Klemp
      > or any member of the
      > Eckankar cult mentions
      > "God" it is not the same
      > God others worship. This
      > is a misdirection... a lie!
      >
      > According to Eckankar's
      > Holy Book, The Shariyat-
      > Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
      > "Autobiography of a Modern
      > Prophet" (pg.385) the God
      > that all other religions
      > worship is Satan, i.e. the
      > Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
      > of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
      > etc. is a limited God and is
      > on a lower plane of consciousness
      > than any and all ECK Higher
      > Initiates!
      >
      > Yes, EK High Initiates, according
      > to Eckankar's religious dogma
      > and according to their spiritual
      > leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
      > Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
      > than the God that others (non-Eckists)
      > worship and pray to!
      >
      > "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
      > a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
      > while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
      > However, Eckankar's true God,
      > SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
      > higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
      >
      > So, when Klemp or his missionaries
      > use the word "God" it's not what
      > they mean. They are really referring
      > to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
      > thinking of how stupid people are
      > to think they are referring to the
      > same God they believe in versus
      > SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
      > the foolish public might as well
      > be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
      >
      > For some reason Klemp, the
      > highest consciousness on earth,
      > thinks that it's okay to deceive
      > people with his "common language"
      > excuse/approach/rationalization,
      > where SUGMAD becomes "God."
      > And, of course, ECKists have bought
      > into this deception because they
      > don't dare question the methods
      > of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
      >
      > And so it goes on and on with
      > more and more deception when
      > ever "God" is mentioned by an
      > ECKist or by Klemp. One would
      > think that the Truth would be
      > important to people who claim
      > to be so "spiritually" evolved/
      > advanced as Eckists believe they
      > are!
      >
      > Prometheus
    • etznab@aol.com
      Anami means nameless , I believe. The Eckankar Dictionary & Lexicon mention a number of Purushas. Sat Purusha, Alakh Purusha, Alaya Purusha, Hukikat Purusha,
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 1, 2011
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        Anami means "nameless", I believe.

        The Eckankar Dictionary & Lexicon mention a number of Purushas. Sat
        Purusha, Alakh Purusha, Alaya Purusha, Hukikat Purusha, Agam Purusha &
        Anami Purusha (Not sure if Anami Purusha is mentioned in early Eckankar
        Dictionary.)

        Alternate spellings for Purusha include Purakh, Purakhu, Purukh and
        Purukutsa. Alternate spellings for Prakriti include Prakrta.

        Purakh appears in Guru Nanak's Mool Mantra, 1st line (I've seen it
        spelled Purukh too).

        http://www.sikhnet.com/oldsikhnet/sggs/translation/0001.html

        On one site Purakh = soul.

        http://www.heavenlygardens.org/japjie/japjip0.htm





        -----Original Message-----
        From: Tyson <abunjoroge@...>
        To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
        <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 12:57 pm
        Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Eckankar's God is not "God"

         


        --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
        <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hello All,
        > FYI: When Harold Klemp
        > or any member of the
        > Eckankar cult mentions
        > "God" it is not the same
        > God others worship. This
        > is a misdirection... a lie!
        >
        > According to Eckankar's
        > Holy Book, The Shariyat-
        > Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
        > "Autobiography of a Modern
        > Prophet" (pg.385) the God
        > that all other religions
        > worship is Satan, i.e. the
        > Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
        > of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
        > etc. is a limited God and is
        > on a lower plane of consciousness
        > than any and all ECK Higher
        > Initiates!
        >
        > Yes, EK High Initiates, according
        > to Eckankar's religious dogma
        > and according to their spiritual
        > leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
        > Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
        > than the God that others (non-Eckists)
        > worship and pray to!
        >
        > "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
        > a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
        > while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
        > However, Eckankar's true God,
        > SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
        > higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
        >
        > So, when Klemp or his missionaries
        > use the word "God" it's not what
        > they mean. They are really referring
        > to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
        > thinking of how stupid people are
        > to think they are referring to the
        > same God they believe in versus
        > SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
        > the foolish public might as well
        > be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
        >
        > For some reason Klemp, the
        > highest consciousness on earth,
        > thinks that it's okay to deceive
        > people with his "common language"
        > excuse/approach/rationalization,
        > where SUGMAD becomes "God."
        > And, of course, ECKists have bought
        > into this deception because they
        > don't dare question the methods
        > of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
        >
        > And so it goes on and on with
        > more and more deception when
        > ever "God" is mentioned by an
        > ECKist or by Klemp. One would
        > think that the Truth would be
        > important to people who claim
        > to be so "spiritually" evolved/
        > advanced as Eckists believe they
        > are!
        >
        > Prometheus
        >
        Harold and paul also claim that sugmad is beyond duality and that the
        universal mind(kal) is the negative pole of creation. Yet paul also
        uses the hindu name Anami Purusha as a manifestation of sugmad. I think
        it means inconcievable or unknowable purusha. The name purusha is
        actually a God that sometimes referes to the universe itself for the
        universe is the body of purusha. purusha is also considered to be
        represented as male thus I see duality in this. Prakita is the divine
        mother(matter) purusha is the divine father(spirit) when the two come
        together spirit enters matter(lila) thus the divine dance of creation
        begins. I dont think eckists would like to know that there name purusha
        came from what I consider a beautiful Hindu myth and they owe there
        creation to hinduism not the other way around.
      • etznab@aol.com
        This will tell the story. Page search for Anami here. http://www.mirrorh.com/potmnots.html And then here. http://www.mirrorh.com/tfctfc.html Notice how similar
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 1, 2011
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          This will tell the story. Page search for Anami here.

          http://www.mirrorh.com/potmnots.html

          And then here.

          http://www.mirrorh.com/tfctfc.html

          Notice how similar are Paul Twitchell and Julian Johnson's quotes.





          -----Original Message-----
          From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
          To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
          <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 6:13 pm
          Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Eckankar's God is not "God"

           
          Hello Tyson and All,
          I don't even know what
          duality or beyond duality
          means when coming from
          scamming religionists.
          These people talk out of
          both sides of their mouth.
          They say what sounds "spiritual"
          or seems "profound" or
          logical because they claim
          to be enlightened authorities.
          But, they are hypocrites
          who love to twist and turn
          words to fit their greedy,
          self-serving, ego driven,
          power mongering agendas!

          The "Divine" might not even
          care about positive and negative
          traits, atoms, agendas, sex etc.

          Let's face one fact... mankind
          created and defined "God" in
          his own (man's) image. This
          Hindu stuff is just another
          view and explanation of
          cosmology like that from the
          Quran, Old Testament or of
          the Greek and Roman Gods,
          etc.

          As far as Anami goes, PT claims
          that the Anami Lok is where
          Sugmad resides and, yet, the
          Anami Lok is the 10th Plane.

          Therefore, SUGMAD resides
          on the 10th and Klemp (the
          Mahanta) on the 14th. I guess
          that makes Klemp Higher than
          Sugmad! So, why doesn't HE,
          HK, want to be worshipped?
          I guess little Harry is a humble
          God... right? I love it when he
          has a chela mention his humility.
          Humble people never have to
          bring up that word... it's a
          given that others simply "know."
          Therfore, Klemp (by printing
          these comments about his
          "humility") isn't!

          Yes, Twitchell used Hinduism,
          Sikhism, Christianity and theosophy
          etc. to create a hodge-podge New
          Age religion just as distorted, if
          not more so, as his sources.

          There is a lot of Sikhism (and
          Sikhism has Hindu roots) via
          Ruhani Satsang and Radasoami
          and "The Path of the Masters"
          in Eckankar. This book, more
          than any other, was Twitchell's
          blueprint for creating Eckankar.

          Remember, too, Twitchell
          followed Kirpal Singh, of Ruhani
          Satsang, for ten years, and
          Kirpal had PT's Tiger's Fang
          manuscript until he returned
          it in 1966. The Rebazar character
          took the place of Kirpal after
          he and Twitchell had a falling
          out due to Paul's embellishments.
          Paul thought it'd be okay to
          portray himself with special
          spiritual powers and consciousness
          as long as Kirpal was given
          even greater powers. But,
          Kirpal didn't buy into it. He
          saw through Twitchell scam
          and knew he had ulterior motives.

          Prometheus

          Tyson wrote:
          Harold and paul also claim
          that sugmad is beyond duality
          and that the universal mind
          (kal) is the negative pole of
          creation.

          Yet paul also uses the hindu
          name Anami Purusha as a
          manifestation of sugmad.

          I think it means inconcievable
          or unknowable purusha.
          The name purusha is actually
          a God that sometimes refers
          to the universe itself for the
          universe is the body of purusha.

          purusha is also considered
          to be represented as male
          thus I see duality in this.

          Prakita is the divine mother
          (matter) purusha is the divine
          father (spirit) when the two
          come together spirit enters
          matter (lila) thus the divine
          dance of creation begins.
          I dont think eckists would
          like to know that there name
          purusha came from what
          I consider a beautiful Hindu
          myth and they owe there
          creation to hinduism not
          the other way around.

          Prometheus wrote:
          Hello All,
          > FYI: When Harold Klemp
          > or any member of the
          > Eckankar cult mentions
          > "God" it is not the same
          > God others worship. This
          > is a misdirection... a lie!
          >
          > According to Eckankar's
          > Holy Book, The Shariyat-
          > Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
          > "Autobiography of a Modern
          > Prophet" (pg.385) the God
          > that all other religions
          > worship is Satan, i.e. the
          > Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
          > of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
          > etc. is a limited God and is
          > on a lower plane of consciousness
          > than any and all ECK Higher
          > Initiates!
          >
          > Yes, EK High Initiates, according
          > to Eckankar's religious dogma
          > and according to their spiritual
          > leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
          > Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
          > than the God that others (non-Eckists)
          > worship and pray to!
          >
          > "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
          > a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
          > while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
          > However, Eckankar's true God,
          > SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
          > higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
          >
          > So, when Klemp or his missionaries
          > use the word "God" it's not what
          > they mean. They are really referring
          > to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
          > thinking of how stupid people are
          > to think they are referring to the
          > same God they believe in versus
          > SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
          > the foolish public might as well
          > be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
          >
          > For some reason Klemp, the
          > highest consciousness on earth,
          > thinks that it's okay to deceive
          > people with his "common language"
          > excuse/approach/rationalization,
          > where SUGMAD becomes "God."
          > And, of course, ECKists have bought
          > into this deception because they
          > don't dare question the methods
          > of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
          >
          > And so it goes on and on with
          > more and more deception when
          > ever "God" is mentioned by an
          > ECKist or by Klemp. One would
          > think that the Truth would be
          > important to people who claim
          > to be so "spiritually" evolved/
          > advanced as Eckists believe they
          > are!
          >
          > Prometheus
        • prometheus_973
          Hello Etznab, No, I don t think Anami Purusha was in PT s Eckankar Dictionary. IMO, it was added, by Klemp, to his 1998 Lexicon. However, in this case, it
          Message 4 of 9 , Oct 2, 2011
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            Hello Etznab,
            No, I don't think Anami Purusha
            was in PT's Eckankar Dictionary.
            IMO, it was added, by Klemp, to
            his 1998 Lexicon.

            However, in this case, it appears
            that Klemp was merely tweaking
            the EK Dogma that Twit, and/or
            DG, had overlooked.


            In the Shariyat Book One, Chapter
            Five, Anami Purusha is:

            "The first focus of action was the
            ruler of the Anami Plane, named
            Anami Purusha."


            But, it seems strange that SUGMAD
            created the Anami Lok where Anami
            Purusha rules and, yet, the Sugmad
            (according to Klemp) resides on
            this same lower 10th Plane. Now,
            why would the great SUGMAD reside
            on the 10th Plane with Anami Purusha
            (a lesser creation) when the Mahanta
            (Klemp) is residing on the 14th Plane?

            BTW- Which Plane does the Mahanta
            Rule?

            Anyway, here's the definition for
            ANAMI LOK from Klemp's first ECK
            Lexicon:

            "That plane where SOULS are
            reproduced by the Lord of Lords
            reacting upon Itself; the world
            of the Supreme Being, the Sugmad;
            the mighty center of the universes,
            the very heart and core of all life
            and existence. The sound here
            is of the whirlpool, and the word
            is HU; the TENTH Plane; the
            Nameless Plane."

            Interesting that most ECKists
            have never noticed or questioned
            this disparity. It seems this
            info was extracted from Hindu
            or Sant Mat sources early on,
            by PT, and was never tweaked
            to fit in with his new but ever
            changing EK dogma/scam,
            especially, after creating the
            14th Plane "Mahanta" in 1969.

            Either this was overlooked or it
            was seen as a minor issue that
            could always have a fabricated
            ekplanation, if need be, on down
            the road.

            Prometheus


            etznab@... wrote:
            >
            > Anami means "nameless", I believe.
            >
            > The Eckankar Dictionary & Lexicon mention a number of Purushas. Sat
            > Purusha, Alakh Purusha, Alaya Purusha, Hukikat Purusha, Agam Purusha &
            > Anami Purusha (Not sure if Anami Purusha is mentioned in early Eckankar
            > Dictionary.)
            >
            > Alternate spellings for Purusha include Purakh, Purakhu, Purukh and
            > Purukutsa. Alternate spellings for Prakriti include Prakrta.
            >
            > Purakh appears in Guru Nanak's Mool Mantra, 1st line (I've seen it
            > spelled Purukh too).
            >
            > http://www.sikhnet.com/oldsikhnet/sggs/translation/0001.html
            >
            > On one site Purakh = soul.
            >
            > http://www.heavenlygardens.org/japjie/japjip0.htm
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Tyson <abunjoroge@...>
            > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
            > <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 12:57 pm
            > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Eckankar's God is not "God"
            >
            >  
            >
            >
            > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
            > prometheus_973@ wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello All,
            > > FYI: When Harold Klemp
            > > or any member of the
            > > Eckankar cult mentions
            > > "God" it is not the same
            > > God others worship. This
            > > is a misdirection... a lie!
            > >
            > > According to Eckankar's
            > > Holy Book, The Shariyat-
            > > Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
            > > "Autobiography of a Modern
            > > Prophet" (pg.385) the God
            > > that all other religions
            > > worship is Satan, i.e. the
            > > Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
            > > of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
            > > etc. is a limited God and is
            > > on a lower plane of consciousness
            > > than any and all ECK Higher
            > > Initiates!
            > >
            > > Yes, EK High Initiates, according
            > > to Eckankar's religious dogma
            > > and according to their spiritual
            > > leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
            > > Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
            > > than the God that others (non-Eckists)
            > > worship and pray to!
            > >
            > > "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
            > > a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
            > > while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
            > > However, Eckankar's true God,
            > > SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
            > > higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
            > >
            > > So, when Klemp or his missionaries
            > > use the word "God" it's not what
            > > they mean. They are really referring
            > > to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
            > > thinking of how stupid people are
            > > to think they are referring to the
            > > same God they believe in versus
            > > SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
            > > the foolish public might as well
            > > be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
            > >
            > > For some reason Klemp, the
            > > highest consciousness on earth,
            > > thinks that it's okay to deceive
            > > people with his "common language"
            > > excuse/approach/rationalization,
            > > where SUGMAD becomes "God."
            > > And, of course, ECKists have bought
            > > into this deception because they
            > > don't dare question the methods
            > > of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
            > >
            > > And so it goes on and on with
            > > more and more deception when
            > > ever "God" is mentioned by an
            > > ECKist or by Klemp. One would
            > > think that the Truth would be
            > > important to people who claim
            > > to be so "spiritually" evolved/
            > > advanced as Eckists believe they
            > > are!
            > >
            > > Prometheus
            > >
            > Harold and paul also claim that sugmad is beyond duality and that the
            > universal mind(kal) is the negative pole of creation. Yet paul also
            > uses the hindu name Anami Purusha as a manifestation of sugmad. I think
            > it means inconcievable or unknowable purusha. The name purusha is
            > actually a God that sometimes referes to the universe itself for the
            > universe is the body of purusha. purusha is also considered to be
            > represented as male thus I see duality in this. Prakita is the divine
            > mother(matter) purusha is the divine father(spirit) when the two come
            > together spirit enters matter(lila) thus the divine dance of creation
            > begins. I dont think eckists would like to know that there name purusha
            > came from what I consider a beautiful Hindu myth and they owe there
            > creation to hinduism not the other way around.
            >
          • etznab18
            Just now reading this message as my Yahoo account (the e-mail from Yahoo groups) has bounced for the um-teenth time this year. When this happens I have to
            Message 5 of 9 , Oct 4, 2011
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              Just now reading this message as my Yahoo account (the e-mail from Yahoo groups) has bounced for the um-teenth time this year. When this happens I have to first unbounce the account and then have to search each Yahoo group to see which messages I missed.

              Thanks for posting the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad quote.

              --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hello Etznab,
              > No, I don't think Anami Purusha
              > was in PT's Eckankar Dictionary.
              > IMO, it was added, by Klemp, to
              > his 1998 Lexicon.
              >
              > However, in this case, it appears
              > that Klemp was merely tweaking
              > the EK Dogma that Twit, and/or
              > DG, had overlooked.
              >
              >
              > In the Shariyat Book One, Chapter
              > Five, Anami Purusha is:
              >
              > "The first focus of action was the
              > ruler of the Anami Plane, named
              > Anami Purusha."
              >
              >
              > But, it seems strange that SUGMAD
              > created the Anami Lok where Anami
              > Purusha rules and, yet, the Sugmad
              > (according to Klemp) resides on
              > this same lower 10th Plane. Now,
              > why would the great SUGMAD reside
              > on the 10th Plane with Anami Purusha
              > (a lesser creation) when the Mahanta
              > (Klemp) is residing on the 14th Plane?
              >
              > BTW- Which Plane does the Mahanta
              > Rule?
              >
              > Anyway, here's the definition for
              > ANAMI LOK from Klemp's first ECK
              > Lexicon:
              >
              > "That plane where SOULS are
              > reproduced by the Lord of Lords
              > reacting upon Itself; the world
              > of the Supreme Being, the Sugmad;
              > the mighty center of the universes,
              > the very heart and core of all life
              > and existence. The sound here
              > is of the whirlpool, and the word
              > is HU; the TENTH Plane; the
              > Nameless Plane."
              >
              > Interesting that most ECKists
              > have never noticed or questioned
              > this disparity. It seems this
              > info was extracted from Hindu
              > or Sant Mat sources early on,
              > by PT, and was never tweaked
              > to fit in with his new but ever
              > changing EK dogma/scam,
              > especially, after creating the
              > 14th Plane "Mahanta" in 1969.
              >
              > Either this was overlooked or it
              > was seen as a minor issue that
              > could always have a fabricated
              > ekplanation, if need be, on down
              > the road.
              >
              > Prometheus
              >
              >
              > etznab@ wrote:
              > >
              > > Anami means "nameless", I believe.
              > >
              > > The Eckankar Dictionary & Lexicon mention a number of Purushas. Sat
              > > Purusha, Alakh Purusha, Alaya Purusha, Hukikat Purusha, Agam Purusha &
              > > Anami Purusha (Not sure if Anami Purusha is mentioned in early Eckankar
              > > Dictionary.)
              > >
              > > Alternate spellings for Purusha include Purakh, Purakhu, Purukh and
              > > Purukutsa. Alternate spellings for Prakriti include Prakrta.
              > >
              > > Purakh appears in Guru Nanak's Mool Mantra, 1st line (I've seen it
              > > spelled Purukh too).
              > >
              > > http://www.sikhnet.com/oldsikhnet/sggs/translation/0001.html
              > >
              > > On one site Purakh = soul.
              > >
              > > http://www.heavenlygardens.org/japjie/japjip0.htm
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > -----Original Message-----
              > > From: Tyson <abunjoroge@>
              > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
              > > <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
              > > Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 12:57 pm
              > > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Eckankar's God is not "God"
              > >
              > >  
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
              > > prometheus_973@ wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Hello All,
              > > > FYI: When Harold Klemp
              > > > or any member of the
              > > > Eckankar cult mentions
              > > > "God" it is not the same
              > > > God others worship. This
              > > > is a misdirection... a lie!
              > > >
              > > > According to Eckankar's
              > > > Holy Book, The Shariyat-
              > > > Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
              > > > "Autobiography of a Modern
              > > > Prophet" (pg.385) the God
              > > > that all other religions
              > > > worship is Satan, i.e. the
              > > > Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
              > > > of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
              > > > etc. is a limited God and is
              > > > on a lower plane of consciousness
              > > > than any and all ECK Higher
              > > > Initiates!
              > > >
              > > > Yes, EK High Initiates, according
              > > > to Eckankar's religious dogma
              > > > and according to their spiritual
              > > > leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
              > > > Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
              > > > than the God that others (non-Eckists)
              > > > worship and pray to!
              > > >
              > > > "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
              > > > a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
              > > > while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
              > > > However, Eckankar's true God,
              > > > SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
              > > > higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
              > > >
              > > > So, when Klemp or his missionaries
              > > > use the word "God" it's not what
              > > > they mean. They are really referring
              > > > to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
              > > > thinking of how stupid people are
              > > > to think they are referring to the
              > > > same God they believe in versus
              > > > SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
              > > > the foolish public might as well
              > > > be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
              > > >
              > > > For some reason Klemp, the
              > > > highest consciousness on earth,
              > > > thinks that it's okay to deceive
              > > > people with his "common language"
              > > > excuse/approach/rationalization,
              > > > where SUGMAD becomes "God."
              > > > And, of course, ECKists have bought
              > > > into this deception because they
              > > > don't dare question the methods
              > > > of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
              > > >
              > > > And so it goes on and on with
              > > > more and more deception when
              > > > ever "God" is mentioned by an
              > > > ECKist or by Klemp. One would
              > > > think that the Truth would be
              > > > important to people who claim
              > > > to be so "spiritually" evolved/
              > > > advanced as Eckists believe they
              > > > are!
              > > >
              > > > Prometheus
              > > >
              > > Harold and paul also claim that sugmad is beyond duality and that the
              > > universal mind(kal) is the negative pole of creation. Yet paul also
              > > uses the hindu name Anami Purusha as a manifestation of sugmad. I think
              > > it means inconcievable or unknowable purusha. The name purusha is
              > > actually a God that sometimes referes to the universe itself for the
              > > universe is the body of purusha. purusha is also considered to be
              > > represented as male thus I see duality in this. Prakita is the divine
              > > mother(matter) purusha is the divine father(spirit) when the two come
              > > together spirit enters matter(lila) thus the divine dance of creation
              > > begins. I dont think eckists would like to know that there name purusha
              > > came from what I consider a beautiful Hindu myth and they owe there
              > > creation to hinduism not the other way around.
              > >
              >
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