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Re: Klemp's Mahanta Delusion and More!

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  • dianastanley43
    Prometheus, you crack me up! Diana
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 30, 2011
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      Prometheus, you crack me up!
      Diana

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello All,
      > It's interesting that Harold
      > Klemp, spiritual leader of
      > Eckankar, will make third
      > person statements such as,
      > "The Mahanta will steer you
      > in the right direction if you
      > let him." Then, of course,
      > he'll tell a story that some
      > trusting follower snail mailed
      > to him about how he/she
      > came to need Klemp. If it
      > wasn't for the U.S. Post Office
      > there would be little to no
      > (actual) communication with
      > Klemp and his deluded followers
      > except, of course, in their
      > dreams. But, that's because
      > HK has programmed chelas
      > to think and dream of him
      > constantly and to call upon
      > him (the Mahanta) for even
      > mundane decisions and daily
      > needs! The Parking Space
      > Angel is pissed!
      >
      > Anyway, Klemp will say things
      > like, "... the Mahanta, the Living
      > ECK Master (LEM) had made a
      > point about paying for Karma
      > as it came up." This is said in
      > order to tie the "outer" LEM, Klemp,
      > to the "inner" Mahanta (Consciousness).
      >
      > Isn't it strange, if one uses logic
      > and common sense and really thinks
      > about it, as to why past fictional
      > ECK Masters and "Full" Mahantas
      > like Rebazar Tarzs no longer have
      > the Mahanta Consciousness, only,
      > because they are no longer Mahantas?
      > Or do they? But why does Klemp
      > associate and identify his Mahanta
      > position to his own personality,
      > as LEM, with its arrested social development?
      > HK's finally become the B.M.O.C!
      >
      > Why can't these former Mahantas
      > take over, or share, the chelas'
      > spiritual "inner" growth? Besides,
      > why do H.I.s really need an "outer"
      > Physical Plane Master (Klemp) who
      > simply repeats or points out the
      > obvious in his simple minded stories
      > which fine tune chelas' testimonials
      > for the 5,000, or so, glassy-eyed
      > introverted faithful (current paid
      > members).
      >
      > That's another interesting factor.
      >
      > The extroverted members of
      > Eckankar, usually, have the Higher
      > Initiations. Or, are they "pretending"
      > to be extroverted? There's a lot
      > of pretending taking place in
      > Eckanakar.
      >
      > I can see the passing of the Rod
      > of ECK Power myth/lie for the
      > leadership of Eckankar, but what's
      > that have to do with being the
      > boss over the "Ancient" Order of
      > Vairagi ECK Masters? Nothing!
      > Except, this "story" also solidifies
      > the power of the LEM who inherited
      > Twitchell's scam i.e. Eckankar.
      > First, Gross, then and now, Klemp!
      > Plus, it gives credence to the myth
      > that there's an ancient linage in
      > order to rewrite history using PT's
      > twists. But, Twitchell didn't do
      > anything that hasn't been done
      > before... look at the Book of Mormon!
      >
      > Paul Twitchell needed an ancient
      > lineage of invisible ECK Masters
      > in order to create Rebazar to initiate
      > him. This supposedly gave/gives
      > Twitchell's words (EK Dogma) authority.
      >
      > However, Paul Twitchell (PT), and
      > Harold Klemp (HK) slipped up on
      > some time-lines.
      >
      > Twitchell, in the book "The Difficulties
      > Of Becoming the Living ECK Master,"
      > which contains June 1971 interviews,
      > states that he was "almost 16 years
      > old" when he went to India from Paris,
      > for the "1st" time, (and with his sister
      > Kay-Dee). This is when he was, supposedly,
      > handed off by 970th LEM Sudar (a.k.a.
      > Kirpal) Singh to Rebazar and, thus,
      > PT received several more initiations
      > (beyond the 2nd) from Rebazar.
      >
      > [PT was born in 1908, according
      > to the copyright page of the 2000
      > Combined Shariyats. (Also, it's been
      > pointed out, and ECK Higher Initiate
      > Doug Marman has confirmed it, that
      > Paul's sister was actually studying
      > art in Paris, Kentucky and not Paris,
      > France. This was, yet, another misdirection
      > and exaggeration by Twitchell]
      >
      > Harold Klemp (the LEM/Mahanta)
      > has stated that at age 27 P.T. was
      > "exaggerating" and "twisting facts"
      > to get into Who's Who in Kentucky
      > and that Twitchell (at that time)
      > had "never been all that far from
      > home."
      >
      > Later, supposedly (circa 1951) on
      > a "2nd" trip to India, PT claims that
      > Rebazar gave him more initiations
      > and the final (12th) initiation. Klemp
      > overlooks the time-lines and the
      > fact that Twitchell (a proven liar
      > pointed out by Klemp himself!)
      > claims he went to India on a "2nd"
      > trip to meet Rebazar.
      >
      > Plus, Doug Marman has verified
      > the written evidence that Twitchell
      > created the Mahanta title in January,
      > 1969. This is when Twitchell first
      > mentions the Mahanta in two EK
      > publications. If Twitchell was given
      > the 12th Initiation (on a 2nd visit
      > to India) in 1951 by Rebazar why
      > wouldn't PT have known that
      > Rebazar was the current "Mahanta?"
      >
      > The reasons that PT created the
      > ultimate and highest Master title
      > was for several reasons: He wanted
      > to spite his former Ruhani Satsang
      > Master, Kirpal Singh, who he had
      > a fight with over The Tiger's Fang
      > manuscript due to embellishments;
      > there was a problem with a former
      > member, John Rogers-Hinkle, using
      > EK discourses to set-up his own
      > religion; there was internal strife
      > because Twitchell promised to step
      > down after five years, but after
      > Eckankar took off (1968) PT changed
      > his mind; and let's not forget that
      > Paul was a jokester and a narcissist
      > with an inflated ego! Do you see it?
      > Eckankar is a scam, a joke, a vocation,
      > and a lie! None of these LEMs ever
      > had a steady job before Eckankar!
      >
      > Therefore, Eckankar, the Religion of
      > the Light and Sound of God (versus
      > Sugmad their real "God"), is simply
      > another religious crutch that is male
      > run and controlled. It's filled with
      > myth, lies and distortions. It requires
      > one's desperate imagination to fill-in
      > the blanks and supply hope. This
      > fulfills the needs and desires of
      > the, mostly, good natured followers.
      >
      > The ECK initiations are the carrot that
      > is dangled in front of the mule (chela)
      > that keeps the cart (Eckankar) slowly
      > moving along on a narrow, bumpy,
      > dirt road while the driver (Klemp) whistles
      > the same merry little tune.
      >
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello All,
      > > It's interesting that Harold
      > > Klemp, spiritual leader of
      > > Eckankar, will make third
      > > person statements such as,
      > > "The Mahanta will steer you
      > > in the right direction if you
      > > let him." Then, of course,
      > > he'll tell a story that some
      > > trusting follower snail mailed
      > > to him about how he/she
      > > came to need Klemp. If it
      > > wasn't for the U.S. Post Office
      > > there would be little to no
      > > (actual) communication with
      > > Klemp and his deluded followers
      > > except, of course, in their
      > > dreams. But, that's because
      > > HK has programmed chelas
      > > to think and dream of him
      > > constantly and to call upon
      > > him (the Mahanta) for even
      > > mundane decisions and daily
      > > needs! The Parking Space
      > > Angel is pissed!
      > >
      > > Anyway, Klemp will say things
      > > like, "... the Mahanta, the Living
      > > ECK Master (LEM) had made a
      > > point about paying for Karma
      > > as it came up." This is said in
      > > order to tie the "outer" LEM, Klemp,
      > > to the "inner" Mahanta (Consciousness).
      > >
      > > Isn't it strange, if one uses logic
      > > and common sense and really thinks
      > > about it, as to why past fictional
      > > ECK Masters and "Full" Mahantas
      > > like Rebazar Tarzs no longer have
      > > the Mahanta Consciousness, only,
      > > because they are no longer Mahantas?
      > > Or do they? But why does Klemp
      > > associate and identify his Mahanta
      > > position to his own personality,
      > > as LEM, with its arrested social development?
      > > HK's finally become the B.M.O.C!
      > >
      > > Why can't these former Mahantas
      > > take over, or share, the chelas'
      > > spiritual "inner" growth? Besides,
      > > why do H.I.s really need an "outer"
      > > Physical Plane Master (Klemp) who
      > > simply repeats or points out the
      > > obvious in his simple minded stories
      > > which fine tune chelas' testimonials
      > > for the 5,000, or so, glassy-eyed
      > > introverted faithful (current paid
      > > members).
      > >
      > > That's another interesting factor.
      > >
      > > The extroverted members of
      > > Eckankar, usually, have the Higher
      > > Initiations. Or, are they "pretending"
      > > to be extroverted? There's a lot
      > > of pretending taking place in
      > > Eckanakar.
      > >
      > > I can see the passing of the Rod
      > > of ECK Power myth/lie for the
      > > leadership of Eckankar, but what's
      > > that have to do with being the
      > > boss over the "Ancient" Order of
      > > Vairagi ECK Masters? Nothing!
      > > Except, this "story" also solidifies
      > > the power of the LEM who inherited
      > > Twitchell's scam i.e. Eckankar.
      > > First, Gross, then and now, Klemp!
      > > Plus, it gives credence to the myth
      > > that there's an ancient linage in
      > > order to rewrite history using PT's
      > > twists. But, Twitchell didn't do
      > > anything that hasn't been done
      > > before... look at the Book of Mormon!
      > >
      > > Paul Twitchell needed an ancient
      > > lineage of invisible ECK Masters
      > > in order to create Rebazar to initiate
      > > him. This supposedly gave/gives
      > > Twitchell's words (EK Dogma) authority.
      > >
      > > However, Paul Twitchell (PT), and
      > > Harold Klemp (HK) slipped up on
      > > some time-lines.
      > >
      > > Twitchell, in the book "The Difficulties
      > > Of Becoming the Living ECK Master,"
      > > which contains June 1971 interviews,
      > > states that he was "almost 16 years
      > > old" when he went to India from Paris,
      > > for the "1st" time, (and with his sister
      > > Kay-Dee). This is when he was, supposedly,
      > > handed off by 970th LEM Sudar (a.k.a.
      > > Kirpal) Singh to Rebazar and, thus,
      > > PT received several more initiations
      > > (beyond the 2nd) from Rebazar.
      > >
      > > [PT was born in 1908, according
      > > to the copyright page of the 2000
      > > Combined Shariyats. (Also, it's been
      > > pointed out, and ECK Higher Initiate
      > > Doug Marman has confirmed it, that
      > > Paul's sister was actually studying
      > > art in Paris, Kentucky and not Paris,
      > > France. This was, yet, another misdirection
      > > and exaggeration by Twitchell]
      > >
      > > Harold Klemp (the LEM/Mahanta)
      > > has stated that at age 27 P.T. was
      > > "exaggerating" and "twisting facts"
      > > to get into Who's Who in Kentucky
      > > and that Twitchell (at that time)
      > > had "never been all that far from
      > > home."
      > >
      > > Later, supposedly (circa 1951) on
      > > a "2nd" trip to India, PT claims that
      > > Rebazar gave him more initiations
      > > and the final (12th) initiation. Klemp
      > > overlooks the time-lines and the
      > > fact that Twitchell (a proven liar
      > > pointed out by Klemp himself!)
      > > claims he went to India on a "2nd"
      > > trip to meet Rebazar.
      > >
      > > Plus, once again, Doug Marman
      > > once admitted that Twitchell created
      > > the Mahanta title for himself in
      > > January, 1969. If given the 12th
      > > Initiation in 1951 why would PT
      > > know about Rebazar being the
      > > "Mahanta?" See, it's all a lie!
      > >
      > > Therefore, Eckankar, the Religion of
      > > the Light and Sound of God (versus
      > > Sugmad their real "God"), is simply
      > > another religious crutch that is male
      > > run and controlled. It's filled with
      > > myth, lies and distortions. It requires
      > > one's desperate imagination to fill-in
      > > the blanks and supply hope. This
      > > fulfills the needs and desires of
      > > the, mostly, good natured followers.
      > >
      > > The ECK initiations are the carrot that
      > > is dangled in front of the mule (chela)
      > > that keeps the cart (Eckankar) slowly
      > > moving along on a narrow, bumpy,
      > > dirt road while the driver (Klemp) whistles
      > > the same merry little tune.
      > >
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      >
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