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  • Gnothe Seauton
    Message 1 of 1 , Sep 2, 2011
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      --- On Thu, 8/25/11, butterflymama29 <butterflymama29@...> wrote:

      > From: butterflymama29 <butterflymama29@...>
      > Subject: Re: just looking for support / understanding ears
      > To: "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...>
      > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 2:11 PM
      >
      >
      > I was raised by my father as an Eckist but when I left home
      > I left Eckankar as well. I started to question some of the
      > group's practices such as charging you membership (what the
      > hell is up with that?), the fact that you can't become a
      > higher initiate unless you keep up with your payments (if
      > it's a true religion based on your own personal relationship
      > with God what does a base, worldly thing like money have to
      > do with it?), and the mantra that Eck is the "only" way. I'm
      > a skeptic and tend to question everything and thank God
      > (whoever he/she/it may be) for that. Ironically my father is
      > the one who taught me this and I just wish he could do the
      > same with Eckankar. I'm not saying Eck is bad. By all means
      > if it gives you something to believe in and if it's right
      > for you, pursue it. But it just doesn't square up for me. My
      > dad told me when I left Eck "The Eck is 'caught not taught'
      > " and that he didn't think I "was getting it" and that I
      > wasn't "ready for it" anyway. Funny how when someone
      > questions it this is what they're told. Sorry, Dad just
      > using my own brain like ya taught me.... I now consider
      > myself to be Agnostic. I know there's some spirit that has
      > created all of this but I sure as hell don't claim to know
      > what that is and I think that anyone who does should really
      > think about what that means. I do have one critique of
      > "anti-Eckists". It seems like the exact same allegations
      > they level against Eckankar are ones that are also true of
      > pretty much any organized religion or cult. Esp.
      > Christianity. Good Lord.... "If you don't believe what this
      > book says (which all sounds like a big fairy tale anyway)
      > you're going to the land of fire and brimstone! If you don't
      > accept JC as your personal savior (even if you were a kind,
      > loving, basically saint in your life) you're going to burn
      > in hell for all eternity." I call bull shit! Bottom line,
      > believe what makes you feel good in the core of your being
      > and that you can reconcile in your heart of hearts... I will
      > get off my soapbox now... Peace.
      >
      > --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com,
      > "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello the3pucketts,
      > > I hesitate to say this
      > > but there's something
      > > wrong with being an
      > > Eckist for 40 years and
      > > just being a 4th initiate.
      > > He should be at least
      > > a 6th initiate! He's not
      > > telling you the whole
      > > story... he might have
      > > been on a long rest
      > > period as well. If you
      > > aren't paying for that
      > > annual membership
      > > you can't get initiations.
      > >
      > > To be a member for
      > > almost 40 years and
      > > to be only a 4th initiate
      > > is unheard of. Well, I
      > > did know another Eckist
      > > who was a 4th for 30
      > > years but that was his
      > > fault I was told. He stopped
      > > volunteering, teaching
      > > Satsangs, doing intros,
      > > and would go to the
      > > "inner" (doze off) at
      > > meetings, etc. This
      > > didn't look good and
      > > his RESA didn't like it.
      > >
      > > Normally Eckists become
      > > standoffish, narcissistic,
      > > and more "advanced" (in
      > > their own minds) when
      > > they become H.I.s.
      > >
      > > BTW- No! The church
      > > won't give him grief if
      > > he doesn't assimilate
      > > you like the Borg. But,
      > > he'll be unhappy that
      > > he doesn't have a fellow
      > > zombie who worships
      > > a fake God/Mahanta.
      > >
      > > After 40 years he hasn't
      > > achieved "Spiritual Freedom?"
      > > He hasn't even tried that
      > > hard to follow the dogma!
      > > How can a person believe
      > > in ECKankar's propaganda
      > > and doesn't care about doing
      > > what is needed to become
      > > an H.I.? Something is wrong
      > > with this picture.
      > >
      > > But, the good news is that
      > > Eckankar is a waste of time,
      > > like all religions are, because
      > > you don't need another man
      > > telling you what to do or not
      > > to do or say. Be your own Master
      > > Soul, now, and follow Its lead/
      > > nudges/gifts.
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      > >
      > > the3pucketts wrote:
      > > I just married an Eckist.
      > > He's been a member for
      > > almost 40 years- since
      > > his teens- is a 4th Initiate.
      > >
      > > (Calls himself the "Eck retard".)
      > >
      > > I've studied a lot of religions,
      > > so can easily see what was
      > > borrowed or simply fabricated.
      > > He pretty much 'party line' all
      > > the way- very indoctrinated.
      > > He's been pushing me to join;
      > > I've been going to services
      > > for the last year and the Easy
      > > Way satsangs for the last 4
      > > months.
      > >
      > > I think the basic practices
      > > are good, but don't feel a
      > > need for a 'guide'/ to put
      > > a face on the divine- and
      > > really don't want to help
      > > finance this organization.
      > > My hubby is very defensive,
      > > and takes any questions
      > > as an attack. Some of the
      > > other members are more
      > > open to giving answers,
      > > but no-one really questions
      > > things.
      > >
      > > Will the 'church' give him
      > > grief if he doesn't 'convert'
      > > me? Insights into the mindset
      > > would be helpful..............
      > >
      >
      >
      >
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