--- On Thu, 8/25/11, butterflymama29 <butterflymama29@...
> From: butterflymama29 <butterflymama29@...>
> Subject: Re: just looking for support / understanding ears
> To: "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...>
> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 2:11 PM
> I was raised by my father as an Eckist but when I left home
> I left Eckankar as well. I started to question some of the
> group's practices such as charging you membership (what the
> hell is up with that?), the fact that you can't become a
> higher initiate unless you keep up with your payments (if
> it's a true religion based on your own personal relationship
> with God what does a base, worldly thing like money have to
> do with it?), and the mantra that Eck is the "only" way. I'm
> a skeptic and tend to question everything and thank God
> (whoever he/she/it may be) for that. Ironically my father is
> the one who taught me this and I just wish he could do the
> same with Eckankar. I'm not saying Eck is bad. By all means
> if it gives you something to believe in and if it's right
> for you, pursue it. But it just doesn't square up for me. My
> dad told me when I left Eck "The Eck is 'caught not taught'
> " and that he didn't think I "was getting it" and that I
> wasn't "ready for it" anyway. Funny how when someone
> questions it this is what they're told. Sorry, Dad just
> using my own brain like ya taught me.... I now consider
> myself to be Agnostic. I know there's some spirit that has
> created all of this but I sure as hell don't claim to know
> what that is and I think that anyone who does should really
> think about what that means. I do have one critique of
> "anti-Eckists". It seems like the exact same allegations
> they level against Eckankar are ones that are also true of
> pretty much any organized religion or cult. Esp.
> Christianity. Good Lord.... "If you don't believe what this
> book says (which all sounds like a big fairy tale anyway)
> you're going to the land of fire and brimstone! If you don't
> accept JC as your personal savior (even if you were a kind,
> loving, basically saint in your life) you're going to burn
> in hell for all eternity." I call bull shit! Bottom line,
> believe what makes you feel good in the core of your being
> and that you can reconcile in your heart of hearts... I will
> get off my soapbox now... Peace.
> --- In email@example.com,
> "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
> > Hello the3pucketts,
> > I hesitate to say this
> > but there's something
> > wrong with being an
> > Eckist for 40 years and
> > just being a 4th initiate.
> > He should be at least
> > a 6th initiate! He's not
> > telling you the whole
> > story... he might have
> > been on a long rest
> > period as well. If you
> > aren't paying for that
> > annual membership
> > you can't get initiations.
> > To be a member for
> > almost 40 years and
> > to be only a 4th initiate
> > is unheard of. Well, I
> > did know another Eckist
> > who was a 4th for 30
> > years but that was his
> > fault I was told. He stopped
> > volunteering, teaching
> > Satsangs, doing intros,
> > and would go to the
> > "inner" (doze off) at
> > meetings, etc. This
> > didn't look good and
> > his RESA didn't like it.
> > Normally Eckists become
> > standoffish, narcissistic,
> > and more "advanced" (in
> > their own minds) when
> > they become H.I.s.
> > BTW- No! The church
> > won't give him grief if
> > he doesn't assimilate
> > you like the Borg. But,
> > he'll be unhappy that
> > he doesn't have a fellow
> > zombie who worships
> > a fake God/Mahanta.
> > After 40 years he hasn't
> > achieved "Spiritual Freedom?"
> > He hasn't even tried that
> > hard to follow the dogma!
> > How can a person believe
> > in ECKankar's propaganda
> > and doesn't care about doing
> > what is needed to become
> > an H.I.? Something is wrong
> > with this picture.
> > But, the good news is that
> > Eckankar is a waste of time,
> > like all religions are, because
> > you don't need another man
> > telling you what to do or not
> > to do or say. Be your own Master
> > Soul, now, and follow Its lead/
> > nudges/gifts.
> > Prometheus
> > the3pucketts wrote:
> > I just married an Eckist.
> > He's been a member for
> > almost 40 years- since
> > his teens- is a 4th Initiate.
> > (Calls himself the "Eck retard".)
> > I've studied a lot of religions,
> > so can easily see what was
> > borrowed or simply fabricated.
> > He pretty much 'party line' all
> > the way- very indoctrinated.
> > He's been pushing me to join;
> > I've been going to services
> > for the last year and the Easy
> > Way satsangs for the last 4
> > months.
> > I think the basic practices
> > are good, but don't feel a
> > need for a 'guide'/ to put
> > a face on the divine- and
> > really don't want to help
> > finance this organization.
> > My hubby is very defensive,
> > and takes any questions
> > as an attack. Some of the
> > other members are more
> > open to giving answers,
> > but no-one really questions
> > things.
> > Will the 'church' give him
> > grief if he doesn't 'convert'
> > me? Insights into the mindset
> > would be helpful..............