Re: Klemp's Trickery of Belief
- Moby I was in Eckankar 13 years. I can't remember how many as a HI
The longer I was in it the more false concepts I gained. Of course at the time I thought I was gaining wisdom!
I'v been studing quantum physics and Steven Hawkins is one of my favorite people.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Moby700" <moby700@...> wrote:
> Prometheus, you say something in this post which I have been thinking about. I only spent 5 years in ekult before I found numerous reasons to leave. But I never considered the idea that HIs were not advancing in consciousness. I can see your point, though. It makes sense.
> You have known far more HIs than I will ever meet. Did you find this consistently? That HIs are actually lowering/limiting their consciousness?
> It is an interesting question.
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
> > If someone told you that you appeared
> > in their dream and were mean to them
> > and wanted you to apologize would
> > you?
> > Eckists will sometimes dream of Klemp
> > but he has no knowledge of them or of
> > the dream. He has to be told of the dream
> > in a snail mail letter. Then, he has to decide
> > if it was a positive dream in order to share
> > it in a talk, an ECK pub, or in another book.
> > If it was negative then he doesn't take credit
> > for it... that's the fault of the dreamer.
> > Anyway, I thought this one-sided relationship
> > was worth looking at again. However, I'm
> > still puzzled as to why ECKists, who assume
> > they are so "spiritually" advanced, don't see
> > how someone else could use this same guise
> > to scam people. If someone else could use it
> > then why don't they think Klemp has? Maybe
> > they're tired of looking for a religion and Eckankar
> > at least talks about dreams and supports other
> > New Age and Alternative Medicine beliefs.
> > What's both amusing and sad are two factors.
> > The longer one remains in Eckankar and the
> > higher in Initiations a person is (6-8) the less
> > advanced in consciousness they have become.
> > The delusion and the lie has become the truth.
> > True, they have become skilled speakers, promoters
> > and organizers but that's about it. And, yes,
> > the higher the rank the more they are admired.
> > The other factor is even sadder. People have
> > dedicated their lives and vocations to Eckankar
> > and work at the ESC only to discover that it's
> > not what they originally thought it was or what
> > they thought they would become. They've become
> > lost in another meaningless religion. Sure they
> > have some ECK friends and they once believed
> > that they made a difference and helped to raise
> > world consciousness blah blah blah, instead, others
> > have become alienated from them as they become
> > walking talking ECK brochures. Pete and repeat!
> > It's no wonder they dream about that crap! But
> > those working at the ESC for all of those years
> > are trapped. What else do they have, where else
> > could they go? Just keep smiling and giving lip
> > service to higher consciousness. Just remember
> > one thing, if Klemp can fake it for all of those
> > years then you can too! Well, actually, Klemp has
> > an easier time at faking it since he's not around
> > people all day long.
> > Prometheus