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Re: Klemp's Trickery of Belief

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  • dianastanley43
    Moby I was in Eckankar 13 years. I can t remember how many as a HI The longer I was in it the more false concepts I gained. Of course at the time I thought I
    Message 1 of 6 , Jul 12, 2011
      Moby I was in Eckankar 13 years. I can't remember how many as a HI
      The longer I was in it the more false concepts I gained. Of course at the time I thought I was gaining wisdom!
      I'v been studing quantum physics and Steven Hawkins is one of my favorite people.
      Diana Stanley

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Moby700" <moby700@...> wrote:
      > Prometheus, you say something in this post which I have been thinking about. I only spent 5 years in ekult before I found numerous reasons to leave. But I never considered the idea that HIs were not advancing in consciousness. I can see your point, though. It makes sense.
      > You have known far more HIs than I will ever meet. Did you find this consistently? That HIs are actually lowering/limiting their consciousness?
      > It is an interesting question.
      > Moby...
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
      > >
      > > If someone told you that you appeared
      > > in their dream and were mean to them
      > > and wanted you to apologize would
      > > you?
      > >
      > > Eckists will sometimes dream of Klemp
      > > but he has no knowledge of them or of
      > > the dream. He has to be told of the dream
      > > in a snail mail letter. Then, he has to decide
      > > if it was a positive dream in order to share
      > > it in a talk, an ECK pub, or in another book.
      > > If it was negative then he doesn't take credit
      > > for it... that's the fault of the dreamer.
      > >
      > > Anyway, I thought this one-sided relationship
      > > was worth looking at again. However, I'm
      > > still puzzled as to why ECKists, who assume
      > > they are so "spiritually" advanced, don't see
      > > how someone else could use this same guise
      > > to scam people. If someone else could use it
      > > then why don't they think Klemp has? Maybe
      > > they're tired of looking for a religion and Eckankar
      > > at least talks about dreams and supports other
      > > New Age and Alternative Medicine beliefs.
      > >
      > > What's both amusing and sad are two factors.
      > > The longer one remains in Eckankar and the
      > > higher in Initiations a person is (6-8) the less
      > > advanced in consciousness they have become.
      > > The delusion and the lie has become the truth.
      > > True, they have become skilled speakers, promoters
      > > and organizers but that's about it. And, yes,
      > > the higher the rank the more they are admired.
      > >
      > > The other factor is even sadder. People have
      > > dedicated their lives and vocations to Eckankar
      > > and work at the ESC only to discover that it's
      > > not what they originally thought it was or what
      > > they thought they would become. They've become
      > > lost in another meaningless religion. Sure they
      > > have some ECK friends and they once believed
      > > that they made a difference and helped to raise
      > > world consciousness blah blah blah, instead, others
      > > have become alienated from them as they become
      > > walking talking ECK brochures. Pete and repeat!
      > > It's no wonder they dream about that crap! But
      > > those working at the ESC for all of those years
      > > are trapped. What else do they have, where else
      > > could they go? Just keep smiling and giving lip
      > > service to higher consciousness. Just remember
      > > one thing, if Klemp can fake it for all of those
      > > years then you can too! Well, actually, Klemp has
      > > an easier time at faking it since he's not around
      > > people all day long.
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
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