Re: Questions for the Master... Jan/2011 (#3) [Masturbation]
- I saw this online and thought about
what Klemp had to say on the subject:
> Q: "What are the spiritual consequences
> of Masturbation? Are there any?" What
> technique would you suggest?
> ME: Just kidding on that 3rd question?
> I was just trying to maintain the EK
> superstition/illusion of The Principles
> of Three.
> HK: "Dear Wondering,
> THERE ARE NO SPIRITUAL CONSEQUENCES
> TO THE PRACTICE."
> ME: I was pretty sure Klemp would say that.
> But, doesn't masturbation require a certain
> amount of lust? And, isn't Lust "bad" and
> prevents one's spiritual evolution?
> HK: "This stament may shock a few;
> however, we are not Puritans.
> Masturbation is a private matter and is
> an individual's business alone, so no guilt
> need be connected with it."
> ME: So, since it's a "private matter" and
> "an individual's business alone" I guess
> that means that EK circle jerks are out?
> HK: "It is a natural function. Masturbation
> avoids the risk of Venereal Diseases and
> may well forestall sexual unions and unwanted
> pregnancies. The latter may lead to calamitous
> outcomes. Lives are often ruined."
> ME: I thought choices were "tests?" How are
> lives "ruined" by a girl getting pregnant and
> having responsibilities and a baby to love?
> Anyway, I wonder, is it okay for people to use
> unnatural devises to enhance the Masturbation
> process? What do the Klemp's use?
> Plus, one still has to be careful and use proper
> hygiene. I'm surprised Harry didn't cover that
> as well. I can see Klemp's POV on "forestalling
> sexual unions" since Klemp was always sexually
> retarded via his arrested social development.
> He probably still thought girls had "cooties"
> at age 19! LOL!
> HK: "So there is no shame in regard to
> ME: Still, one would think that there would
> be some Shame and Guilt for ECKists. Is
> this another EK Paradox?
> Having Sex, either with yourself or with
> someone else, requires Lust. Does Harry
> still Lust after Joan or does he visualize
> someone else to Lust after while he Masturbates?
> Lust, according to ECKankar, is a Negative
> Passion of the Mind and this will prevent
> spiritual growth and the development
> of a higher consciousness. It makes one
> wonder why a "Spiritual Master" is not
> promoting Chastity of both Body and Mind.